December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Real issue of crypto controls: security or taxation loss?
by jf_avon＠citenet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 13 Sep 97 at 23:58, iang(a)systemics.com wrote: > That's right, there is a section of the population that is extremely > interested in holding onto their e$. Let's call them the rich, because > they have e$ to think of. Let's get into modelization! So, let's put first things first. First, you shouldn't say e$ but $, because it is what thoses you call "the rich" have. Now, does e-$ would permit govt to behave the same way as they do now? > Then there is a section of the population that is not that so > interested, because they fundamentally have very little e$ to > protect. Let's call them the poor; nothing to think about except > lack of e$. > The problem is that the rich win in the system known as the > capitalist economy, but the poor win in the system known as the > democracy. There is a balance between the capitalist economy and > democracy that runs like this: How do they win? By the use of coercion (and this is why guns should not get registered). > 1. a democracy is the best protector of an open economy. Out of what hat did you got that one? Who said so and why? :-) My opinion is that your remark is falling into the same category as the the old fallacy saying "everything is uncertain but death and taxes". > 2. an open economy generates a small group of rich, > and a large group of poor (relatively speaking). Statistically, yes. But it doesn't intrinsically generates *envious* poors. But that is a discussion about Values and Ethics and their link to emotions and nobody who's not an Ayn Rand fanatic or who doesn't have a few more terabytes of disk space to spare doesn't want to get into it... :-) > 3. a large group of poor will vote within a democracy > to tax the rich. It depends on which moral code the legislative authorities base their actions. But the sentence "a large group of poor will always try, within a democracy, to justify the muscling-in on the rich transactually-acquired wealth" would be true. > It's the difference between politics and economics: Are you going > to tell the voters that the rich can hide their e$ or are you going > to tell them that the Feds will spy on them? As the voters are > mostly poor, I'd be sticking with the second option. True > Remember, everybody gets one vote, but only the smart get lots of e$. This one for-the-time-being reason why crypto should be deployed. The true answers will be found in the nature of the data exchange system, it's robustness and reliability, and the impact of dropping the govt out of the money loop. Sometimes, an invention can change the face of the world. Mathematics did, gun powder did, the printing press did, the microprocessor did, so why not crypto? And what is the most Joe Everybody consumer-oriented use of crypto? Ciao jfa P.S. Anybody who has a clue about modelizing the effects of a behaviour/entity (use of e$) that hamper the survival of another one (govt) in a complex system, please drop me a line (any micro-biologists online?) -- Jean-Francois Avon, Pierrefonds(Montreal) QC Canada DePompadour, Societe d'Importation Ltee Finest of Limoges porcelain and crystal JFA Technologies, R&D consultants physicists and engineers, LabView programing. PGP encryption keys at: http://w3.citenet.net/users/jf_avon http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html ID# C58ADD0D : 529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 ID# 5B51964D : 152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C

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Foreign language traffic on the CDR?...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I was wondering if there was a large objection to carrying non-English crypto traffic... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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No Subject
by Freedom Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server > From: shamrock(a)netcom.com (Lucky Green) > Subject: The subtle danger of using Mixmaster > Message-ID: <shamrock-2409951151310001(a)192.0.2.1> > Sender: shamrock(a)netcom19.netcom.com > Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) > X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0 > Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 19:51:30 GMT > Lines: 19 > > There are about twenty Mixmaster remailers. Reason to celebrate? Hardly. > Though we have more remailers than ever, I doubt that the twenty or so > Mixmasters are operated my more than six or seven people. I would not be > surprised to find out that some folks are running several Mixmasters on > the _same_ machine, using different IP addresses. > > While the enthusiasm for increasing the number of remailers is > understandable, the operation of more than one Mixmaster by the same > person is downright dangerous, because it reduces the effective lenght of > the remailer chain. The message that you sent through five remailers may > have only been handled by two operators. When you thought that five people > had to colaborate to trace your email, only two are in fact required to do > so. > > Comments? > > -- > -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> > PGP encrypted mail preferred. >

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Cybersecurity
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Thu, 7 Sep 1995 hallam(a)w3.org wrote: > The UK laabour party is opposed to key escrow "we do not accept the "clipper > chip" argument". The Tories have less than half the level of popular support an > are barely recognisable as a government. > > Phill Wait till Labour finds out that crypto makes "The Caring Society" impossible. Perhaps they'll change their view then. DCF

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Re: http://www.ifi.uio.no/pgp/
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 9/13/97 8:37 PM, bureau42 Anonymous Remailer (remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org) passed this wisdom: > >Since Sept. 11th: > >http://www.ifi.uio.no/pgp/ > >Forbidden > >Your client is not allowed to access the requested object. > I tired to connect to it several times in the last half hour and MSIE returned and 'unable to connect" Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys - Send Email Subject "Get PGP Key" "Never ask what sort of computer a guy drives. If he's a Mac user, he'll tell you. If not, why embarrass him?" - Tom Clancy

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Effect of new crypto provisions on e-commerce?
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What effect if any will the proposed rules have, if enacted, to e-commerce? To ecash? --Steve

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Who Is A Libertarian?
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Well there has been some talk on the list of what libertarianism is and what it stands for including an unfounded attack by Jim Choate worthy of Kent Crispin. For your enjoyment and education I shall once again quote from Dean Russell with a piece he wrote in "Ideas on Liberty", May 1955: "Who is a Libertarian?" Those of us who favor individual freedom with personal responsibility have been unable to agree upon a generally acceptable name for ourselves and our philosophy of liberty. This would be relatively unimportant except for the fact that the opposition will call us by some name, even though we might not desire to be identified by any name at all. Since this is so, we might better select a name with some logic instead of permitting the opposition to saddle us with an epithet. Some of us call ourselves "individualists", but others point out that the opposition often uses that word to describe a heartless person who doesn't cars about the problems and aspirations of other people. Some of us call ourselves "conservatives", but that term describe many persons who base their approval of an institution more on its age than on its inherent worth. Many of us call ourselves "liberals". And it is true that the word "liberal" once described persons who respected the individual and feared the use of mass compulsions. But the leftists have now corrupted that once-proud term to identify themselves and their program of more government ownership of property and more controls over persons. As a result, those of us who believe in freedom must explain that when we call ourselves liberals, we mean liberals in the uncorrupted classical sense. At best, this is awkward and subject to misunderstanding. A GOOD AND HONORABLE WORD Here is a suggestion: Let those of us who love liberty trade-mark and reserve for own use the good and honorable word "libertarian". Webster's New International Dictionary defines a libertarian as "one who holds to the doctrine of free will; also, one who upholds the principles of liberty, esp. individual liberty of thought and action." In popular terminology, a libertarian is the opposite of an authoritarian. Strictly speaking, a libertarian is one who rejects the idea of using violence or the threat of violence-legal or illegal-to impose his will or viewpoint upon any peaceful person. Generally speaking, a libertarian is one who wants to be governed far less than he is today. * A libertarian believes that the government should protect all persons equally against external and internal aggression, but should otherwise generally leave people alone to work out their own problems and aspirations. While a libertarian expects the government to render equal protection to all persons against outright fraud and misrepresentation, he doesn't expect the government to protect anyone from the consequences of his own free choices. A libertarian holds that persons who make wise choices are entitled to enjoy the fruits of their wisdom, and that persons who make unwise choices have no right to demand that the government reimburse them for their folly. * A libertarian expects his government to establish, support, and enforce the decisions of impartial courts of justice - courts which do not recognize or refer to a person's race, religion, or economic status. If justice is to be rendered, the decisions of these courts must be as binding upon government officials and their actions as upon other persons and their actions. * A libertarian respects the right of every person to use and enjoy his honestly acquired property - to trade it, to sell it, or even to give it away - for he knows that human liberty cannot long endure when that fundamental right is rejected or even seriously impaired. * A libertarian believes that the daily need of the people can best be satisfied through the voluntary processes of a free and competitive market. And he holds the strong belief that free persons, using their own honestly acquired money, are in the best possible possible position to understand and aid their fellow men who are in need of help. * A libertarian favors a strictly limited form of government with many checks and balances -and divisions of authority- to foil the abuses of the fearful power of government. And generally speaking, he is one who sees less, rather than more, need to govern the actions of others. * A libertarian has much faith in himself and other free persons to find maximum happiness and prosperity in a society wherein no person has the authority to force any other peaceful person to conform to his viewpoints or desires in any manner. His way of life is based on respect for himself and for all others. * A libertarian doesn't advocate violent rebellion against prevailing governments - except as a last resort before the concentration camps. But when a libertarian sees harm rather than good in certain acts of government, he is obligated to try his best to explain to others who advocate those measures why such compulsory means cannot bring the ends which even they desire. * The libertarian's goal is friendship and pease with his neighbors at home and abroad. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNBtn2I9Co1n+aLhhAQG6kQP/WlP/Nd7iDeRe4XVd5FYhUP3IKXpFkl6S 0z8aKSkdfuUVrr5cLEiK33EZ7PeemG1xOlNuchZrjBuLeFAhwwgHaJOaIK4L4WSQ T0evXKHd+lMU57VjgZhhOeR/gBG0evTTwhvSsaUgT0yRj/ImKm+dLuJB6KqArA3b bs7XFBjbPcQ= =Qlhm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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No Subject
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Since Sept. 11th: http://www.ifi.uio.no/pgp/ Forbidden Your client is not allowed to access the requested object.

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17 Dec '03

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