December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

StockAlert News: UNFC expects increase of $50M in assets
by kouqi32＠mci.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

<HTML><PRE><BODY BGCOLOR="#000000"> <HTML><PRE><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> REMINGTON-HALL CAPITALIZES ON RESURGENT REAL ESTATE MARKET Company expects to acquire $50 million in assets by mid-1998 DALLAS -- UNFC ), a diversified real estate investment firm formerly known as Universal Fuels Company, is quietly acquiring over $50 million in previously undervalued, undercapitalized or mismanaged commercial properties and making this new major player one of the best moderate-risk real estate investments in 1998. Founded in 1975 as Universal Fuels, the company provided uranium to the world as an alternative fuel, but as uranium became less used as a nuclear fuel source than other more economical and useful materials, Universal Fuels' stock declined almost to extinction over several years. Less than a year ago the stock price was less than 1¢. Four months ago officials from Camden-Townwest, a privately held real estate investment firm, approached Universal Fuels former management about converting Universal Fuels into a publicly traded real estate conglomerate. Camden-Townwest, founded in 1994, grew from $19,000 in cash to $3 million in assets in three years without seeking any outside capital. Since the change in management and corporate mission last October, <A HREF="http://quote.yahoo.com/q?s=UNFC&d=t">U NFC</A> has seen its stock value increase by over 800%. Remington-Hall is now making its move to increase assets at a tremendous rate. By mid-year management expects to acquire in excess of $50 Million in office buildings and multi-family properties at a significant discount to their market value. "We have been referred to as 'Cat Burglars of Real Estate'," said Douglas Fonteno, president & chief executive officer. "And that's a title we hope to keep." Larry Hood ,formerly Chief Operating Officer of Pizza Inn and Chief Financial Officer of Reliance Mortgage Company, is Remington-Hall's Chief Financial Offi cer, giving the new company immediate and substantial financial integrity. Wade Hyde, previously public relations and investor relations executive for Blockbuster Video and FoxMeyer Corporation, is Vice President of Marketing & Public Relations. Currently Remington-Hall is seeking to be listed on the Pacific Stock Exchange and the Nasdaq National Market. The company anticipates announcing over $10 million in newly acquired assets by the end of January. Name: Remington-Hall Capital Corporation ( formerly Universal Fuels) Symbol: Nasdaq: UNFC Mission: To aggressively acquire steeply undervalued real estate properties due to previous mismanagement or undercapitalization. Management: Senior executives with diverse experiences, including: Fortune 500 corporations, leading stock brokerage firms, real estate companies and national marketing. Goals: To increase assets to $10M by January 98 and $50M by mid-year Address: 1401 Elm St., Ste. 1818, Dallas, TX 75202-2925 Phone: (214) 749-4600 FAX: (214) 749-4608 Internet: www.remington-hall.com E-Mail: InvestorRelations@remington-hall ll.com Quote Yahoo! Remington-Hall <A HREF="www.remington-hall.com"> </A> </PRE></HTML> <FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZ

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Census Director quits [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID > Associated Press Writer > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- Census Director Martha Farnsworth Riche, who > battled Republican lawmakers over counting methods for 2000, is > quitting. > > Riche said Monday she would leave office Jan. 30. > > She has been involved in a lengthy dispute with members of Congress > over Census 2000, largely over how to count the many people who might > be missed by regular methods. > > The fight focused on a practice called sampling, in which the bureau > would determine the number and characteristics of people it cannot > reach based on the people it can. > > Though the practice was endorsed by the National Science Foundation > and statistical groups, Republicans in Congress have opposed it, > concerned that the result would be more people counted in largely > Democratic large cities. > > The results will be used to redistribute House seats to the states. [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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19 European countries ban human cloning [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > 19 EUROPEAN NATIONS SIGN BAN ON HUMAN CLONING > > Britain, Germany not among signatories > > January 12, 1998 > Web posted at: 8:00 p.m. EST (0100 GMT) > > PARIS (CNN) -- Nineteen European nations on Monday signed an > agreement to prohibit the cloning of humans. > > Representatives from 19 members of the Council of Europe signed a > protocol that would commit their countries to ban by law "any > intervention seeking to create human beings genetically identical to > another human being, whether living or dead." It rules out any > exception to the ban, even in the case of a completely sterile > couple. > > "At a time when occasional voices are being raised to assert the > acceptability of human cloning and even to put it more rapidly into > practice, it is important for Europe solemnly to declare its > determination to defend human dignity against the abuse of > scientific techniques," Council Secretary-General Daniel Tarchys > said. > > The text, which is to become a part of the European Convention on > Human Rights and Biomedicine, would permit cloning of cells for > research purposes.CNN's Margaret Lowrie reports > icon 2 min. 3 sec VXtreme video > > The accord will become binding on the signatories as soon as it has > been ratified in five states. > > Countries signing are: Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Greece, > Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Luxembourg, Moldova, Norway, Portugal, > Romania, San Marino, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Macedonia and Turkey. [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: (eternity) autonomous agents
by Ross Anderson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ryan Lackey: > A "datahaven country" would have > to be immune to such tactics -- either having its own strong military > (China as datahaven) to defend its national interests, political > connections (Israel?), or enough trade with the US that shutting off > data commo would be impossible for economic reasons (Singapore?). A virtual datahaven could be constructed eaily provided you knew how to index controversial matter. Publish the rude things about the Prophet Mohammed on a server in Israel, the anti-Serb rants in Croatia, the kiddyporn in Sweden, the violence in America, the Nazi hate speech in Syria and the anti-scientology stuff in Germany. If someone wants to curse and swear at the whole world at once, then there is this amazing new invention called hypertext ... Ross

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Re: (eternity) autonomous agents
by Thomas Womack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ross Anderson wrote: >A virtual datahaven could be constructed eaily provided you knew how to >index controversial matter. > >Publish the rude things about the Prophet Mohammed on a server in Israel, >the anti-Serb rants in Croatia, the kiddyporn in Sweden, the violence in >America, the Nazi hate speech in Syria and the anti-scientology stuff in >Germany. I suspect you will still run into things which are illegal anywhere; national-security stuff can be handled provided you've got a complete list of pairs of unfriendly nations, but I don't think (eg) the more extreme sort of kiddyporn is legal *anywhere*. Tom

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Talk of Banning Research into Human Cloning (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:02:13 +0100 (MET) > Subject: Re: Talk of Banning Research into Human Cloning (fwd) > From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) > > > Spin doctor bullshit. Without the research there isn't anything to publish. > > By banning the basic research we would in fact be banning the publishing of > > the results of that scientific research. > > This is a more significant difference than you let on: if the research is > done abroad, it can be published here. To the extent that one can > theorize without experimenting, that too can be done here. I hope they forward the CNN piece on the European ban on cloning that is occuring as I type this. The bottem line is that saying it's ok to ban it here simply because you are sure somebody somewhere else will allow it is reprehensible and a complete abrogation of both the spirit and the letter of the Constitution. If it's ok to do it there, why isn't it ok to do it here? Smacks of a double standard or some sort of surreptitious conspiracy to control the technology to the benefit of a few. Perhaps the government has already done this research, at Seed's estimate of $100,000 per clone, god knows they already have the money, the equipment, and the people willing to do it. Tell me, once the other countries have banned it will you then argue that we should repeal our own ban and allow such research? > > Not at all. Equating swinging of ones fist in a empty field and swinging it > > into somebodies nose and then taking that supposition as justification to > > ban fist swinging *is* most certainly unconstitutional. Furthermore, robbery > > Congress has the power to choose whether to ban acts when the cause a harm > (fists that connect to federal noses), or just to ban acts whether or not > they cause harms (sending threats to government officials; broadcasting > without a license on an unused frequency). Bans on broadcasting without a license on an unused frequency was found unconstitutional - it seems nobody had *ever* raised the issue before. The interstate commerce clause was also raised and found to be potentialy irrelevant. Until a few years ago the threatening of anyone, even the killing of a president, was not a federal crime. Perhaps that original idea was that since we believe all people to be equal under the law the killing of a bum was no more heinous than killing of a president. One could even argue that such classifying laws as the protection of federal employees over and above a commen citizen are in fact against the equal treatment under the law for all citizens that this country is founded upon. > Like it or not, there is no > question that most of these bans -- including the cloning ban -- are > constitutional under the commerce and other powers, the copyrights clause > notwithstanding. It's 'interstate commerce', and it isn't the copyright clause per se but the clear and plain language regarding 'advancement'. Further the clause *specificaly* states that it is between states - by no stretch of the honest imagination can be be construed to include private functions inside the state boundary. Next you will be telling me I need a federal license to program because somebody might use my software ... Taking away peoples rights and choices is much ruder than anything you could claim I have ever been. Why not answer the points instead of crying about how I hurt your feelings because I won't play within the limited set of rules you want so that you can retain the advantages of that limited set and as a consequence not have to deal with the possible reality that your entire suppositional set is bogus. > unpleasantness, and especially a complete and utter incomprehension about > how the law in this country operates. I know how it operates, that is why it pisses me off. It operates under the authority of a document that prescribes in clear language how that system is supposed to operate and specificaly describes what those limits are, how to apply those limits to new events, and how to change those limits if they should be felt to be too restrictive or damaging. However, those who are entrusted with the operation believe that that self-same trust allows them to ignore their empowering charter. You seem unable to comprehend that perhaps the logic that has been used to justify many of these actions is not only unconstitutional but also in the long term detriment of the country. It's a pitty you're so close minded you are unable to expose your delicate sensibilities to open debate. It's a pity that your only defence is ad hominim attacks and concious exclusion of contrary arguments because of their emotional impact on yourself. Sir, the only thing I have left to say to you is: Yet, it moves. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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1st sign of a closed mind...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"I won't listen to that because ...." ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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What it means to be in America...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

America's abundance was created not by public sacrifices to "the common good," but by the productive genius of free men who pursued their own personal interests and the making of their own private fortunes. They did not starve the people to pay for America's industrialization. They gave the people better jobs, higher wages, and cheaper goods with every new machine they invented, with every scientific discovery or technological advance- and thus the whole country was moving forward and profiting, not suffering, every step of the way. - Ayn Rand In the United States the majority undertakes to supply a multitude of ready-made opinions for the use of individuals, who are thus relieved from the necessity of forming opinions of their own. - Alexis de Tocqueville ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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What is the Constitution?
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Today, when a concerted effort is made to obliterate this point, it cannot be repeated too often that the Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals- that it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government- that it is not a charter _for_ government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection _against_ the government. - Ayn Rand ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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