December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Response to ticket 012398-6918-403
by kozmo killah 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Just a Reminder...
by mall＠daltek.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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ULotD? Cuban Tattoos.
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A bit o'apocrypha for a Monday evening... Cheers, Bob --- begin forwarded text Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:27:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: qnx.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Cc: bostic(a)bsdi.com Subject: ULotD? Cuban Tattoos. Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:14:12 -0500 From: glen mccready <glen(a)qnx.com> Resent-From: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org X-Mailing-List: <0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org> archive/latest/2668 X-Loop: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Precedence: list Resent-Sender: 0xdeadbeef-request(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Forwarded-by: Arunas Norvaisa <arunas(a)witty.com> There was a guy in Florida, Cuban by nationality, who had been unable to get US citizenship and was due to be deported. A couple of MIT students, who had heard about this guy and were after a lark, hopped a plane down to Florida and took this guy to a tatoo studio. What they tatooed on to him was the DES algorithm, in some computer readable form. Thus rendering the guy unexportable. The US government offered to scrape the tatoos off, but they guy's lawyers screamed something about human rights abuses. The way I heard it, the guy was eventually granted citizenship. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Physical Meet: Feb. 21 (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:28:34 -0600 > From: "Troy A. Bollinger" <troy(a)austin.ibm.com> > Subject: Re: Physical Meet: Feb. 21 > Quoting Jim Choate (ravage(a)ssz.com) > > > > Ok, looks like the magic day is Saturday Feb. 21, 1998 from 6-7pm. > > > > So, now all we need is a place... > > > > Flipnotics worked last time. > > I'd like to suggest that everyone bring a printout of their PGP > fingerprint so we can sign each other's keys. I think I can make this one. I don't have any interest in signing or being signed however, thanks for the offer. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Video & cryptography...
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Remember what your target is here. (Focus, Pinky!) The ultimate goal is that you're trying to convict a suspect of some wrongdoing in a courtroom, and you would like to use as evidence a piece of video footage. But now, in addition to the old standard of "chain of possession" whereby a police officer logs when s/he receives the evidence, who has accessed it in the lab, storage, etc., you may now be required to establish the "truth" of the video -- was it forged, staged, or altered? Can the defense convince a jury that a video is not what it appears to be? Look at the O.J. case where they convinced people that a piece of DNA might not have been his. What a load of malarkey they heaped upon those people, and shame on the prosecution for not going back and matching up another 50 markers, dropping the chances of an error from 1 in 3*10^12 to 1 in 3*10^60. (Ultimately, it wouldn't have mattered of course because they pointed out other "flaws" in the chain of possession, specifically the FBI crime lab. Why they might have had a *different* case with O.J.'s blood is beyond me... They could have retested the DNA from every cell in evidence on that trial, found only Nicole's, Goldman's and Simpson's DNA, and STILL they would have gotten it thrown out, because jurors are incapable of understanding math.) What this means to us is that, in a courtroom, a signed piece of digital tape will probably be accepted the same as an unsigned piece of analog tape. The courts have already established precedent that says that the scientific method has less value than an overpriced lawyer. Think about it: what we strive for as a cryptographic proof means less than the unsworn audio tape from a 21 year old intern. If some lawyer wants to challenge a piece of video, and can throw enough money at it, s/he's going to win. You're better off spending money training the persons operating the VCR, because that's the defense's next point of attack. The idea behind the digitally signed video frames is that the video "consumer" (the persons who shot and recorded the video) probably didn't edit the video to falsify some evidence, and that the person who built the camera is willing to go to court to testify that their video is not tampered with. As a video "consumer", you're willing to pay for a witness from the video equipment supplier to come testify that you didn't edit their video. It theoretically (in a certain, very limited subset of theory) eliminates the "Rising Sun" plotline where someone edited the digital video. Now, we all know that since you can falsify the video by all kinds of other means, the only thing it really accomplishes is it adds a float to the parade going past the jury. And whoever has the prettiest parade wins "justice", right? At 05:02 PM 1/26/98 -0500, Adam Shostack wrote: >Jim Choate wrote: >| > From: Adam Shostack <adam(a)homeport.org> >| > Subject: Re: Video & cryptography... >| > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:56:57 -0500 (EST) >| >| > Schneier, Wagner and Kelsey have done some work on an authenticating >| > camera. > >Dave points out that this was Schneier, Hall and Kelsey. > >| > One issue to be concerned with is that what the camera sees is not >| > always the truth. Putting a film set together to film bigfoot is >| > easy. The fact that the film is authenticated as having come from the >| > camera doesn't mean a whole lot in some cases. >| >| Doesn't this same sort of issue arise from any other digital signature >| process then? There should be nothing fundamentaly different between the >| characteristics of a video camera signing a frame than a person signing >| email. > > It arises in a different context; with a signature on paper, >you're generally indicating that you've read and consented to whats on >the paper, not that you created it. The meaning of a camera signing a >video still is not obvious to me. Is it intended to be 'this is what >we saw through the lens?' or 'this is what really happened?' > >Adam

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Information on key handling with Microsoft products (fwd)
by Ray Arachelian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> There's been some discussion recently on this news alias about how > Microsoft > handles key management (and some related topics) in CryptoAPI (more > specifically, the Microsoft base CSPs). Below is a document we've put > together to help answer these questions. > > Thanks, > -JasonG > > Product Manager, Windows NT Security > Microsoft Corporation > > > > Microsoft's Response to Recent Questions on the Recovery > of Private Keys from various Microsoft Products > > Recently, there has been discussion on some Internet forums about the > methods Microsoft uses to store private keys in some of its products, as > well as about CryptoAPI's role in key management. These discussions > included > some inaccurate information about the PFX and PKCS-12 formats, as well as > how Microsoft implements these formats in its products. > > This paper was prepared by the Microsoft Public Key Infrastructure team to > provide some additional insight and clarification on these issues, and in > some cases, identify long-term plans that Microsoft has to continue the > improvement of security in our products. > > CryptoAPI > One area to clarify at the outset is the role of CryptoAPI. Implications > that any key management problem on Microsoft's Internet products would be > an > example of fundamental problems with CryptoAPI are absolutely inaccurate. > CryptoAPI is a set of cryptographic technologies that are provided for use > by other software--sort of a cryptographic toolbox. The actual > cryptographic > functions are provided through Cryptographic Service Providers (CSPs), > which > are implemented as DLLs. With the exception of the details about a > possible > PKCS-12 attack, all the issues raised in the recent discussions are > specifically aimed at Microsoft's base CSPs, not at CryptoAPI. The base > CSPs are the royalty-free, software-based CSPs provided with Windows NT > 4.0, > Windows 95, and Internet Explorer. These attacks do not apply in general > to > other CryptoAPI CSPs and do not indicate any fundamental concerns with the > security of the CryptoAPI architecture or applications built upon it. > > PFX/PKCS-12 > Microsoft products do not "store" private key material using PKCS-12, > contrary to recent descriptions on the Internet. For clarification, > PKCS-12 > is a standard format, used for export/import of Public Key Certificates > and > related key material. At present, the only Microsoft product that > supports > use of this format is Microsoft Internet Explorer 4.x. Internet Explorer > uses PKCS-12 solely as a means of migrating a user's Certificate and > public-private key pair between multiple Internet Explorer installations > or > between Internet Explorer and other products, such as Netscape > Communicator. > > > Some background might help. Microsoft originally developed the draft > specification for an encrypted export/import format, referred to as PFX, > but > the PFX specification was never implemented by Microsoft. Instead, the > PFX > specification was handed over to RSA Labs and it became the draft PKCS-12 > specification. The design was then reviewed, and contributed to, by a > number of other companies to arrive at the current PKCS-12 standard. > Microsoft and Netscape have both implemented PKCS-12 with 40-bit > encryption. > This was done to provide a common, exportable solution that was completely > interoperable. > > The example of breaking a PKCS-12 data blob, which was given in discussion > on the Internet, is not an attack on the "weak" cryptography of PKCS-12. > Rather, it is simply a dictionary attack (long known and well understood > in > cryptography), which works well if people use poorly-chosen passwords to > protect the PKCS-12 data blob. Examples of such bad passwords include > words > in the English dictionary. In our implementation of PKCS-12, we could > possibly do some things to make brute-force attack against an exported > PKCS-12 data blob more difficult. For example, performing a dictionary > check > on the password before accepting it for encrypting the data blob would > reduce the use of weak passwords. Alternatively, we could iterate the > setup > function to increase "diversity" making it much more expensive for an > attacker to search. However, neither of these methods are required for > protection of the data blob. Good security is always a combination of > technology and policy. As part of a strong security policy, strong > passwords > should be used on all resources. The Microsoft Security Advisor website > (http://www.microsoft.com/security) has some guidelines for choosing > strong > passwords. > > One statement by the original poster argues that Microsoft managed to > design > a security format that actually makes it easier to break into the > protected > data. As stated above, a number of well respected companies were involved > extensively in the design and review of PKCS-12 before it became a > standard. > An iteration count, which would make the type of attack described above > more > difficult (in terms of time), was added late in the PKCS-12 evolution. It > was, however, too late to make it into the Internet Explorer 4 product > release. Future versions of Internet Explorer will include support for the > an iteration count, further strengthening the security of exported key > material. > > Of course, in general the PKCS-12 data objects will not be available on a > user's machine, since they are only used by Internet Explorer 4.x when > exporting key material to, or importing key material from another system. > As > with any sensitive data, users should take care when working PKCS-12 data > blobs and not leave them on their hard drives. > > Exploiting Internet Explorer > One of the fundamental requirements to perform any possible cryptographic > attack discussed in the recent postings is the assumption that a malicious > entity could somehow access to data on a user's computer system, without > the > permission or knowledge of the user. This is a large leap of faith. > Users > that are using Public Key Certificates today are generally sophisticated > and > savvy users, or part of a larger corporate infrastructure with > knowledgeable > administrators. This class of users will certainly keep abreast of current > security issues and install security-related patches and updates as they > become available. Microsoft has been extremely responsive in dealing with > all known Internet Explorer security attacks and has posted patches for > all > currently known attacks. And, of course, security issues are certainly not > limited to Microsoft software. > > Information on security-related issues with Microsoft products is > available > on the Microsoft Security Advisor website at > http://www.microsoft.com/security. > > Attacks against Authenticode signing keys > Another concern identified was that if a malicious hacker could steal a > user's or company's Authenticode signing key, that hacker could sign > objects > with that key and distribute them. Then when other users tried to download > the signed object, they would think the key's owner really signed the > object, which might contain malicious code. The Authenticode program has > been designed to ensure that only trusted programs are allowed to run on a > users machine. As stated earlier Microsoft has been very responsive is > addressing security issues with IE. > > However, it is extremely unlikely anyone could be successful with a > simplistic strategy for stealing Authenticode signing keys and then using > them. As noted above, there are security patches already released for > known > Internet Explorer bugs that could possibly allow a key blob to be stolen > off > a user's hard disk (assuming a user left an Authenticode 'key' file on > their > hard disk). Second, anyone signing code using Authenticode technology is > extremely unlikely to leave their key material sitting on an end user > machine routinely used for browsing the Internet. > > Microsoft recommends storing key material, such as that used in > Authenticode, in hardware tokens. Such tokens prevent any of these attacks > from getting started as the keys are not stored in the PC and are not > exportable. The Authenticode signing keys that Microsoft uses for all our > software, for instance, are stored in such a physical hardware key storage > mechanism. > > Attacks on Encrypted Key material > There is some confusion over the algorithms and methods that Microsoft > uses > to provide protection of encrypted key material in Internet Explorer when > using the standard Microsoft base CSPs. There were changes between > Internet > Explorer 3.0x and Internet Explorer 4.x specifically to address any > possible > concern. Note, this concern is unlikely to be valid for any third-party > software CSP and is not relevant to hardware CSPs. > > Microsoft is constantly working to improve the security of our products. > We > determined that there were better suited methods for storing keys than > using > the RSA RC4 stream cipher algorithm used in Internet Explorer 3.0x. In > particular, a stream cipher, such as RC4, is not ideally suited for this > particular use because it can be susceptible to a "known-keystream > attack". > In a known-keystream attack, if you know the plain text, which you > arguably > might be able to determine given the number of standard PKCS-8 fields, you > can recover the keystream. If you recover the keystream, then a XOR > function will indeed decrypt anything else encrypted with the same key. > However, Microsoft only used this RC4-based implementation in the base > CSPs > that shipped with Internet Explorer 3.0x. The CSPs that shipped in > Internet > Explorer 4.x protect private key material in a form that is encrypted > using > DES, which is a block cipher and is not susceptible to the known-keystream > attack that can be used against RC4. > > Again, note that this kind of attack assumes some degree of security > breach > on the user's system such that the keystream could be obtained. > > Key export attacks > The original Internet posting raises concern about the CryptoAPI interface > CryptExportKey(). This function is fully documented and does indeed > export > private key material in an encrypted format. The presence of the > CryptExportKey() function is to support functionality such as migrating > key > material between machines for a user or creating a backup copy of a key. > It > should be noted however, that many CSPs, including most hardware based > CSPs, > do not allow exportable private keys and will return and error in response > to a CryptExportKey() request. > > Also, Microsoft's base software CSPs provide a means to mark keys as > non-exportable when they are generated. An additional security protection > is provided if the flag CRYPT_USER_PROTECTED is set, in which case each > use > of the private key, including export, requires the user to supply a > password > to access the key. Some commercial CAs are not currently setting this > flag > and do not provide the user a way to request it during Certificate > enrollment. We recognize this as a problem. We will continue working > with > CAs to assist them in supporting these security features. However, we > will > also make available a utility to allow setting this flag after key > generation for users concerned with this type of attack. > > The posting also asserts that an ActiveX control could be downloaded from > a > web page, simply ask for the current users key, ship the key off for > collection by an unscrupulous person, and then delete itself without a > trace. > > If users run unsigned code, or code from an unknown origin, a number of > unpleasant things can happen. This could indeed occur if the key as been > marked exportable and the CRYPT_USER_PROTECTED flag is not set. However, > such a scenario assumes that the user follows few or no policies with > regard > to good security, such as running code from unknown sources. Similarly, if > the user were running software from unknown/untrusted sources, that > software > could reformat their hard drive, or manipulate other user data. This > concept > is certainly not new. > > There was also discussion of 16 dialog boxes appearing to the user for > their > password if the CRYPT_USER_PROTECTED flag is set. Certainly asking the > user > too many times would be better than too few times, however in our tests, > under extreme (and uncommon cases), a user might be asked for their > password > at most four times when a key is used with the Microsoft base CSPs. > Perhaps > the claim came from an early beta release. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Users Guide http://www.microsoft.com/sitebuilder/resource/mailfaq.asp > contains important info including how to unsubscribe. Save time, search > the archives at http://microsoft.ease.lsoft.com/archives/index.html

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Sweedish police weed out hackers
by Ray Arachelian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:05:57 -0500 From: Salvatore DeNaro <Salvatore_DeNaro(a)usccmail.lehman.com> To: Ray Arachelian <sunder(a)brainlink.com> Subject: Forward this to the list? *** Swedish police weed out hackers 2 young Swedish hackers who turned a Swedish county's home page into an advertisement for pornography and marijuana and broke into the U.S. space agency's computer system have been tracked down, local media reported. After a yearlong hunt, police in Umea in northern Sweden finally traced the 2 youths, aged 18 and 15, and seized their computers, the newspaper Vasterbottens Folkblad said Wednesday. Police were quoted as saying no charges would be laid because no economic crime had been committed. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=7065918-55d

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update.350 (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From physnews(a)aip.org Wed Dec 10 16:59:59 1997 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 97 14:35:44 EST From: physnews(a)aip.org (AIP listserver) Message-Id: <9712101935.AA25024(a)aip.org> To: physnews-mailing(a)aip.org Subject: update.350 PHYSICS NEWS UPDATE The American Institute of Physics Bulletin of Physics News Number 350 December 10, 1997 by Phillip F. Schewe and Ben Stein QUANTUM TELEPORTATION has been experimentally demonstrated by physicists at the University of Innsbruck (Anton Zeilinger, 011-43-676-305-8608, anton.zeilinger@ uibk.ac.at; Dik Bouwmeester, Dik.Bouwmeester(a)uibk.ac.at) First proposed in 1993 by Charles Bennett of IBM (914-945-3118), quantum teleportation allow physicists to take a photon (or any other quantum-scale particle, such as an atom), and transfer its properties (such as its polarization) to another photon--even if the two photons are on opposite sides of the galaxy. Note that this scheme transports the particle's properties to the remote location and not the particle itself. And as with Star Trek's Captain Kirk, whose body is destroyed at the teleporter and reconstructed at his destination, the state of the original photon must be destroyed to create an exact reconstruction at the other end. In the Innsbruck experiment, the researchers create a pair of photons A and B that are quantum mechanically "entangled": the polarization of each photon is in a fuzzy, undetermined state, yet the two photons have a precisely defined interrelationship. If one photon is later measured to have, say, a horizontal polarization, then the other photon must "collapse" into the complementary state of vertical polarization. In the experiment, one of the entangled photons A arrives at an optical device at the exact time as a "message" photon M whose polarization state is to be teleported. These two photons enter a device where they become indistinguishable, thus effacing our knowledge of M's polarization (the equivalent of destroying Kirk).What the researchers have verified is that by ensuring that M's polarization is complementary to A's, then B's polarization would now have to assume the same value as M's. In other words, although M and B have never been in contact, B has been imprinted with M's polarization value, across the whole galaxy, instantaneously. This does not mean that faster-than-light information transfer has occurred. The people at the sending station must still convey the fact that teleportation had been successful by making a phone call or using some other light-speed or sub-light-speed means of communication. While physicists don't foresee the possibility of teleporting large-scale objects like humans, this scheme will have uses in quantum computing and cryptography. (D. Bouwmeester et al., Nature, 11 Dec 1997; see also www.aip.org/physnews/graphics) DO EARTHQUAKES HAVE ELECTRICAL PRECURSORS? The elastic waves measured by seismometers are transmitted by the flexing crust while an earthquake is doing its worst. But some scientists believe that flexing also goes on in the hours and even weeks before a quake. Too small to be detected seismically, the flexing might well be sensed electrically. As underground strata rearrange themselves before a quake, the thinking goes, pockets of water are squeezed into new configurations, changing local conduction properties, which can be monitored with buried electrodes. On this basis Panayiotis Varotsos at the University of Athens (011-30-1-894-9849, pvaro(a)leon.nrcps.ariadne-t.gr) has reportedly predicted certain quakes in Greece weeks ahead of time by triangulating voltage differentials at the level of 10 millivolts/km over distances of 100 km. (Some skeptics dispute this assertion.) In new research, Varotsos buttresses his claims with laboratory studies of another system under pressure which puts out transient electrical signals before it fractures, namely a crystal containing a variety of dislocations and defects. Conductivity patterns in the crystal convince Varotsos that analogous patterns (although on a much bigger distance scale) observed in the buried electrode arrays constitute a true earthquake precursor. (Varotsos et al., Journal of Applied Physics, 1 Jan, 1998; journalists can obtain the paper from physnews(a)aip.org.)

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RE: Latest Clinton dodge?
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

David Honig <honig(a)otc.net> writes: > At 07:11 PM 1/26/98 EST, you wrote: > >"Roger J Jones" <cyber(a)ibpinc.com> writes: > > > >> > >> Thanks for the info - while I am at it - has anyone ever disclosed the > >> "distinguishing characteristic" that Paula Jones claims will prove its > Bubba > >> Bill? > >> > >Can you spell "curvature"? > > So you *do* have intimate knowledge of the president.... > but I won't tell :-) What is the difference between Bill Clinton and the Titanic? Only 1700 people went down on the Titanic. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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