December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: The MoJo Wire thanks you
by Jeffrey Barth 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am not sure if you realize that this discussion is appearing all over the place. I am somewhat interested in this conversation, but not really. ================================================================== Potomac Interactive Corporation ------------------------------------------------------------------ E-mail: jbarth(a)picnet.com Voice: 703.276.0181 Fax: 703.276.2981 ================================================================== On Fri, 14 Jul 1995, Nicholas Samuels wrote: > With this message, you also included a note from silversh(a)rmmi.com, > wishing to "unsubscribe." Since I don't administer your listserv, you > might want to do something with that. > > On Thu, 13 Jul 1995, Joel B. Truher wrote: > > > Thank you for your help in our beta test! Please come back soon, > > and send me mail if you'd like to be removed from this mailing > > list -- we may send a new Web product announcement every few months, > > and you'll soon receive a survey of your opinion of our site. > > > > More info on The MoJo Wire: > > > > > > "More fun than a secret decoder ring!" > > -- Jim Hightower > > > > "Mother Jones magazine is turning the tables [on Gingrich]" > > -- LA Times > > > > Mother Jones is pleased to announce the official release of our > > redesigned WWW site, now called The MoJo Wire, on July 14th, at: > > > > http://motherjones.com > > > > * See Newt Gingrich's secret list of major funders on our "Coin- > > Operated Congress" feature. Gingrich is fighting the FEC in > > court to keep this information secret, but you can see it here > > for the first time. See the ten worst, the ten richest, the > > dirt on all of them, and help complete this interactive > > investigation project. > > > > * Newly revamped on-line chat software, called Live Wire, > > provides the best Web-based political discussions anywhere. > > Create hyperlinks in the words of others in this new feature, > > which already contains several lively debates. > > > > * The July/August issue of Mother Jones magazine is available > > only on The MoJo Wire. Read the full text of the magazine. > > > > Many thanks to our team of two thousand beta testers! With your > > help, we've worked a few of the last kinks out of the system, > > added a few things, and now offer the service password-free. > > > > For more information about The MoJo Wire, send mail to > > truher(a)mojones.com, or call me at 415-665-6637. > > > > Joel Truher > > Manager, The MoJo Wire > > > > > > >

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Toad Hit?
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is there an after-action report available? Responding to msg by Majordomo(a)toad.com () on Fri, 14 Jul 11:58 AM >-- > >Your request of Majordomo was: >>>>> who cypherpunks >Members of list 'cypherpunks': > >Panu.Rissanen(a)lut.fi >hugh >eric(a)remailer.net >gnu >losburn(a)omcssi.com >adwestro(a)ouray.cudenver.edu >krs(a)caos.aamu.edu >hfinney(a)shell.portal.com >tomb(a)syntec.com >hank(a)rumple.org >tcmay(a)sensemedia.net >heling(a)harry.sar.usf.edu >bbrown(a)gtenet.com >cypherpunks(a)cs.du.edu >rittle(a)comm.mot.com >bdolan(a)use.usit.net >jfleming(a)copper.ucs.indiana.edu >jya(a)pipeline.com

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DOH!
by Robert A. Hayden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I see that the subscription rolls got nuked again. *sigh* Did I miss anything juicy after the rants of yesterday? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: PGP Signed with PineSign 1.0 iQCVAwUBMAbIizokqlyVGmCFAQHHUAQA0gTXvdTsIfY+l2yKXhbVcYJh38Ud1Tx9 ald4e52YaTW2256rOxmuoN1pBSu1rnpjWkEytHRHJ12rkLSrocAKT66Xk0wW0o7t Pml8gLFlpX4XznmTNkGV36Vv7s0ly+sDsJxd4R8WIXEpCr77I9Pyc1WIiJW3Oo/1 gJFHp0vBCzE= =qLuY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> Cthulhu Matata \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> hayden(a)krypton.mankato.msus.edu \/ Finger for PGP Public Key <=> http://att2.cs.mankato.msus.edu/~hayden

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Re: The MoJo Wire thanks you
by schwartz＠bach.convex.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

hello everybody, Please direct all your future replies related to this message and the Mother Jones junk to truher(a)mojones.com Also, please do *not* "group reply": check to ensure that only truher(a)mojones.com is included in the "To:" part of the email header, and do not include anyone in the "Cc:" part of the email header. Thanks very much. (BTW, I have absolutely nothing to do with Mother Jones or its WWW site.) Nicholas Samuels writes: > >With this message, you also included a note from silversh(a)rmmi.com, >wishing to "unsubscribe." Since I don't administer your listserv, you >might want to do something with that.

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Re: Crisis Overload (re Electronic Racketeering)
by Bolivar Shagnasty 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Overweaning." "Iowa." Yes, yes, I know. Fingers think for themselves. Too used to typing "weenie." Just read DOJ report. Don't write. Bolivar

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Free The World Web Server project.. :)
by The Gate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

15:57 EST July 14th, 1995 New Haven, CT. From the Yale Computer Center: Got an idea for y'all, from the heart and mind of Elizabeth Walker, with whom I live. Let's set up a web site where someone can submit a letter that will be automatically sent to every senator, congressperson, elected and appointed federal official. If we run into trouble, we can scale it down, narrow the various target areas... Also, we could write our own letters, post them, and if someone wants to resend it, they could do so at the click of the mouse. Example, someone logs on to the Freedom Speaks webserver, and is greeted by the message, "Welcome, enter your message for Federal officials in the box provided, then hit the submit button." "If you would like to submit one of our pre-written letters, just click on any of the ones you see below." For those without web access, we could set up a mailing list to do the same. I.e. to send a message to all our elected and appointed officials, send message to freetheworld(a)gateway.net. From there it gets spooled everywhere. What do you think? I could probably do it somehow, but someone with access to better resources and knowledge of cgi-bin might be better for the job. If anyone is interested in this project, let me know... R. Leland Lehrman ____________________________|||||||||||||||||||||______________________________ R. Leland Lehrman@The Gate, New Haven, CT. http://id.wing.net/~gate/gate.html God, Art, Technology and Ecology Research and Development >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Do you love the Mother?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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ping
by cjl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cypherpunks, It was my intention to write a little summary of the story in the most recent issue of SCIENCE, which in addition to reporting some progress towards constructing a quantum computer, also reports in a side bar on a Los Alamos demonstration of untappable quantum cryptography in which a message was sent over 14 kilometers of fiberoptic cable and read with a 1% error rate, secure in the knowledge that Eve couldn't possible be listening. However, I have not gotten any mail from the list today which leads me to believe that there is something wrong with the list-server, you couldn't all possible have been struck dumb with terror by the Your-ass-is Grassley Act :-) So this is a test, this is only a test. Had this been a real message I would have sent more details about the stuff in SCIENCE. C. J. Leonard ( / "DNA is groovy" \ / - Watson & Crick <cjl(a)welchlink.welch.jhu.edu> / \ <-- major groove ( \ Finger for public key \ ) Strong-arm for secret key / <-- minor groove Thumb-screws for pass-phrase / )

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Re: Anti-Electronic Racketeering Act of 1995 (fwd)
by Carl Ellison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 11:19:29 -0400 >From: "Brian A. LaMacchia" <bal(a)martigny.ai.mit.edu> >>In the subsection that explicitly mentions crypto, it says that it's >>unlawful to put (non-GAK) crypto on an open net, "regardless of whether such >>software has been designated non-exportable". If the phrase "nonexportable" >>means the same thing in the context of this subsection, then provision (b) >>would only seem to apply RICO to stuff that already falls under ITAR. > >What worries me is the first sentence: "each act of distributing >software is considered a predicate act." The crypto section has no GAK exclusion. It makes it as illegal to release GAKed crypto on a net as PGP. I believe that the concern about defining predicate acts this way comes from the RICO requirement that there be TWO instances of a crime in order to pass the test of perpetrating a *pattern of crime* and therefore be ranked as a mobster subject to RICO. My guess is that the intent is that from one placement on an FTP server or one posting to a newsgroup, the perpetrator of that heinous act will have passed his RICO qualification and therefore be subject to having all he owns taken from him. ------- Meanwhile, the Federal civil forfeiture fund goes to good things. The last $9M (I believe it was) went to buying up AT&T DES phones to be made into Clipper phones. Of course, the conversion hasn't happened yet and the DES phones are sitting in a warehouse someplace -- but the $9M fund went to really good use, saving the world from AT&T DES. (sarcasm off) +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Carl M. Ellison cme(a)acm.org http://www.clark.net/pub/cme/home.html | |PGP: E0414C79B5AF36750217BC1A57386478 & 61E2DE7FCB9D7984E9C8048BA63221A2 | | ``Officer, officer, arrest that man! He's whistling a dirty song.'' | +----------------------------------------------------------- Jean Ellison -+

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ADMIN: List wipeout and recovery
by hugh＠ecotone.toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Yeghads, it happened again. Last night at about 22:47 the disk partition that holds the cypherpunks mail list filled up and when someone tryed to sub/un-scribe using Majordomo the list got zeroed. No one broke into the system to do any evil, it's just confusion, rotten software and poor management by yours truley that casued the problem. Next problem was that toad.com had changed a lot in the last 9 months, and we had moved things about in such a way that I did not seem to have any backups of the file! Today our gracious host, John Gilmore called up to see what the problem was and if there was any way to fixit. Using two heads was better than one and we realized that we had a online backup only 2 days old. Minutes later it was installed and the list is back to where it was late on 1995/07/11. So, some of you will need to un-subscribe again, our apologies about that. I will dig out the lost messages and make a digest-ish like post of everything that was posted since about 22:30 last night. I will also look at moving away from MajorDomo as list software due to its being moribund, old, stupid and bothersome! Thanks also goes to L. McCarthy <lmccarth(a)cs.umass.edu> for sending pleasant email to the right folks (majordomo-owner(a)toad.com is best) to lets us know that there was a problem. If you have any questions please send them directly to me as the list is allready full of off topic posts (big hint folks...). ||ugh Daniel Majordomo Potty Trainer majordomo-owner(a)toad.com

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Re: Anti-Electronic Racketeering Act of 1995 (fwd)
by Carl Ellison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 18:20:07 -0400 >From: "Brian A. LaMacchia" <bal(a)martigny.ai.mit.edu> >Finally, we begin to see the attack on all forms of un-escrowed >encryption. The bill provides an affirmable defense of >giving the keys to the government ahead of time! > > `(c) It shall be an affirmative defense to prosecution under this > section that the software at issue used a universal decoding device > or program that was provided to the Department of Justice prior to > the distribution.'. This isn't escrowed encryption being allowed here. This is straight giving of keys (or a back door) to the gov't. Even Clipper fails this test. - Carl

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