December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

No Subject
by David L. Garrard 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- From: Ford Prefect[SMTP:remailer@bi-node.zerberus.de] Sent: Friday, 11 August 1995 2:31 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com I think we ought to just throw TIM MAY out of the list. let's EXCOMMUNICATE HIM. its becoming increasingly clear that he is the source of all our problems. I mean, isn't it obvious that our progress has stalled? who has written any code within the last 3 days? if we got rid of him, it would be EVOLUTION IN ACTION. More drivel deleted. Personal attacks in this mailing list is highly inappropriate but doing through a Remailer is downright pathetic. Dr David L. Garrard

1 0

Re: PRZ encrypted voice software release imminent
by Richard.Johnson＠Colorado.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >BTW, he has been beat by Nautilus, right? Nautilus >is public domain, right? (I'm thinking of that public >domain voice encryption released a few mos ago). >I wonder if he is going to try to put a "spin" on this >one to differentiate it from the other one. on the >other hand, just having his name on it is plenty of >"spin"... When I originally volunteered to help with coding on the PGP voice stuff, the author (I think) of Nautilus sent me, and the rest of the PGP voice mailing list participants, version 0.2 for review. The initial plan was to take the Nautilus code, rewrite it in a more modular fashion, and add encryption to create voice PGP. However, the incarnation of the PGP voice mailing list we were using for the project just died, and I heard nothing more about Nautilus after I submitted my comments and suggestions -- until the release of Nautilus 0.9. So if Nautilus code was not used in PGPfone, I suspect licensing or other such issues got in the way, and Will Price and crew started from a different base. Then again, perhaps Nautilus and PGPfone have much in common. We'll have to wait for the PGPfone release for the answer. Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMCrPhfobez3wRbTBAQHM8AP6AjrIg3j2FjRW1vXSLJQ201cTbOic9Tms 3e6TtCdKu4m9OfOyJDIa+RuW+gRIpF8uBmhDAT8d50rhWa9RdEqAgxRSS6mLtzho ExxjSaX3JPdbZjW5G6kMamN9czMFd1hfkxfBMTMVLFdnYzUhG/MQZCyJzLHqcy0c idV9OPHTrck= =bGwv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

1 0

No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

will someone just CUT THE @#$%^&* FOSTER CONSPIRACY THEORIES?? I'm getting F---ING SICK AND TIRED of all the BULL**** that is being posted to this F---ING LIST!!!! does anyone give a flying f--- whether Foster was killed or suicided or hit by a bus?!?!?! WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH CYPHERPUNKS? WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH CODE??? PARRY IS RIGHT. everyone else who disagrees can KISS MY ASS. sign up for the PLAN TO ENCRYPT CYBERSPACE. parry is the man to start with. he will get you started on his campaign like any good drill instructer. oh yes, so many of you pansies need to get into a serious digital BOOT camp. learn some real manly things for a change!!! besides gossiping and tittering like grizzled grandmothers who haven't a clue or a life!!! he's right, little TIMMY MAY hasn't done one @#$%^&* productive thing in the last 5 years after he quit Intel. oh yeah, he is raking in cash off all his little darling stocks, but what the hell does he have to say that is even slightly relevant to coding? my god, here is a guy that barely even knows what linux IS, let alone how to install it. I bet he thinks that "bash" is something you do to the NSA!!! oh yeah, he goes to his silly little "mind masturbating and drug fondling" parties every few days with all the Hoi Poilloi Holier-Than-Thou pricks of the world, the "cum of the net" ejaculating all over each other, hehehehehehe what a bunch of effeminate nobodies... PARRY is the premiere cypherpunk. he should be worshipped by everyone. he has written dozens of RFCS which have made cyberspace a far better place as we know it. if you don't contribute to his solution, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. PARRY is part of the solution. HINT FOR THE CLUELESS: GET WITH THE PROGRAM. don't you think that you are being the most scurrilous swine for taking up PARRY's time with your filling up this mailing list with GARBAGE? TRASH? EXCREMENT? ODIOUS EFFLUVIA??? don't you know that it cuts into his insanely precious programming time by hours to have to monitor this list closely to see if anyone posted some boneheaded conspiracy theory or insulted him??? that TAKES PRECIOUS TIME THAT HE COULD BE SPENDING TRADING PROGRAMMING TECHNIQUES WITH BRILLIANT PEOPLE WHO KNOW UNIX SOFTWARE AND HOW TO WRITE A CORRECT DNS LOOKUP VIA SOCKET LIBRARIES. are we cypherpunks, or cypherprogrammers? GET A CLUE, PEOPLE. I SWEAR if I see one more FORWARDED ARTICLE TO THIS GROUP, I'M GOING TO MAILBOMB THE WHOLE LIST. that'll teach the @#$^%^&* bastards to mess with MY VALUABLE TIME.

3 2

Re: PERRY METZGER: YOUR MOMMY IS CALLING YOU HOME
by blancw＠accessone.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hell hath no fury like a martyr scorned. . .

1 0

Re: More "S-1" foolishness (fwd)
by Michael Froomkin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

How about this? A. Michael Froomkin | +1 (305) 284-4285; +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax) Associate Professor of Law | mfroomki(a)umiami.ir.miami.edu U. Miami School of Law | P.O. Box 248087 | It's hot here. And humid. Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA | See http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/6095/articles/froomkin-metaphor/text.html and http://www.law.cornell.edu/jol/froomkin.htm ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 23:34:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Dorothy Denning <denning(a)cs.cosc.georgetown.edu> To: mfroomki(a)umiami.ir.miami.edu Cc: denning(a)cs.cosc.georgetown.edu Subject: Re: More "S-1" foolishness (fwd) Thanks for sending all this stuff. The algorithm is definitely not Skipjack. Feel free to pass this along if you'd like. Cheers, Dorothy

1 0

Crypto-relevant flame interruption
by SysAdmin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Would someone be so kind as to provide a status report on the planned SSL attack? Last word was that codework was still underway, but I might have missed something relevant to this project amidst all of the noise about excessive list noise. Fred <admin(a)dcwill.com>

1 0

If only Vxxxx Fxxxxx had used encryption....
by monty.harder＠famend.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

C'punks: [Wait! This =is= crypto-related! I promise!] Heard on the news today that Bernard Nussbaum said he had done "nothing irregular" in going through Vince Foster's effects immediately after his demise, in order to secure "sensitive information". Presumably, Nussbaum's contention is that some of the information in Foster's possession was covered by attorney-client privelege, and therefore the Authorities had no right to take it into possession. (IANAL-Comments from those who are?) Anyway, this case got me to thinking: If Vince had kept all his "sensitive" things encrypted, and never written down the passphrase, then the data would effectively have died with him. In this case, lack of key escrow is not a bug, but a feature! Then I thought some more - that the whole Key Escrow thing needs to be rethought: Instead of escrowing the private key, we need to develop better key management techniques for multiple recipients. For example, if Alice is an attorney representing Carol Client, Bob and Ray are partners in Alice's firm, which uses escrow agent E; and A, B, C, R and E are the public keys (and A'... are the private keys) of our dramatis personae: Carol sends her message to Alice as usual, generating the session key S, and encrypting it S'=A(S). Whenever Alice recieves a message, after decrypting the session key [S= A'(S')] she adds to it an additional S"= E( B(S) ) and S"'= E( R(S) ) or some other construct which involving Shamir Sharing or whatever. The details of the protocol(s) can be worked out after the basic premise: There is no reason for anyone to give up the "master key" to all of their business, when the minimal overhead in storage space for adding an escrowed =session= key will suffice. PGP needs a mechanism to handle "detatched session keys", so that our escrow agent can, upon notification by Bob and Ray that Alice has [died | left the firm], process the whole package of S" and S"' back into B(S) and R(S), so that Bob and Ray can carry on their work. Just as with a detatched signature certificate going to a notary, the detatched session key does not give the escrow agent any knowledge of the content of the message itself. Another option is to put the whole creation of S" and S"' on to Carol, which requires a public key that specifies E and {B, R}, as well as the particular escrow protocol involved. This could be tricky to implement. Also, Carol needs to be able to specify to Alice that she is retaining a copy of the communication, encrypted to self, and therefore Alice need not escrow the session key for this particular message. Comments? * "All authority belongs to the people" -Thomas Jefferson --- * Monster(a)FAmend.Com *

2 1

Re: This summer's special delivery?
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <ac4eb0c9030210046e6c(a)[205.199.118.202]>, tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May) wrote: >I have nothing further to add on this. But recall that it was just about >this time last year--just before Crypto--that the "alleged RC4 code" was >posted anonymously to the list. Do I recall correctly that that RC4 proved to interoperate with the "real" RC4? - -- - -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMCr2PCoZzwIn1bdtAQEUPAF/S1arfdr01B+/o5MlEX6F60NHUL6vgEPQ sv3264ZCsJAl7TBqqyi1a6baBF7uuTh+ =jhLU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

2 1

Re: "S1" encryption system (was: this looked like it might
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:13 AM 8/10/95 -6, you wrote: As with Peter and Nathan, I'm also a former tool of the military-industrial complex (:-), and Peter's right that the probably source of this assertion is that there's seldom any "vanilla" TOP SECRET data - anything that's sensitive enough to get TOP SECRET handling rules is usually part of some compartmented project (compartmentalization is a formalized version of Need to Know, where you need to be read into PROJECT X to get PROJECT X data.) Sensitive Compartmented Information is one well-known class of stuff. Codeword projects are identified by words picked off a list of content-free names; some codewords that have been outed in the past are ULTRA and UMBER. In addition to project-specific classifications, some of the kinds of labels on material include variants on INTEL, CNWDI (Critical Nuclear Weapons Design Information), RESTRICTED DATA (less critical nuclear weapons data), FORMERLY RESTRICTED DATA ( a weird classification for material that isn't RESTRICTED DATA any more but they still don't want to let folks see.) And then there's the sort of data that's SECRET by the time the people doing the grunt-work see it, but it's various extracts of REALLY SPOOKY DATA, that only a few people back in some agency know the whole picture, and it's parcelled out so one group of people gets asked to build a laser-scanner like this, and another gets asked to build a computer system like that, or a mirror adjuster like that, and none of the grunts know whether the whole deal is personal teleportation system (the cover project) or a space-based assassination system, much less how they decided on the targets.... #--- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, Freelance Information Architect, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # Phone +1-510-247-0664 Pager/Voicemail 1-408-787-1281 #--- Storyteller makes no choice - soon you will not hear his voice. His job was to shed light, and not to master. RIP, Jerry

1 0

Re: "Protect the children" as passphrase to Constitution
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:35 PM 8/10/95 -0700, Tim wrote: >- Clinton's Executive Order today which limits advertising of cigarettes, .... >(Oh, and one amazing detail: the possible issuance of I.D. cards to all of >those under the age of 18. Besides being useful for things like curfews, What!?!?!?! I guess I'm not totally surprised - registration of all children has been high on Clinton's agenda ever since he's been in the White House. One of the more blatant examples was the child vaccination proposals - which first started out as "take over the vaccination system and register all kids so we can remind their parents to get their shots", and gradually included less and less control and funding of vaccination while retaining the registration. Sigh. #--- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, Freelance Information Architect, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # Phone +1-510-247-0664 Pager/Voicemail 1-408-787-1281 #--- Storyteller makes no choice - soon you will not hear his voice. His job was to shed light, and not to master. RIP, Jerry

2 1