December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Getting on the list
by John Draper 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I've been trying to get back on the Cypherpunks list now for over 3 weeks. IS anyone out there on the list that has the power to get me added. I tried the usual request to cypherpunks-request(a)toad.com, but haven't been sucessful. Who is maintaining the list these days? Does it still exist? And why haven't any of my requests been hohored? thats honored... Thanx John D.

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Storm Signals
by cactus＠seabsd.hks.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On a social mailing list that I'm on, two things have been noticed in the last week: 1: Somebody's roommate (a Green Beret) has been called back into 6 months of active service. He was not told where he'd be. 2: GPS fine positioning has been turned off. This is only done during times of military operations (such as the 'invasion' of Haiti and the Iraq Massacre). It's also been highly correlated with Pentagon pizza deliveries. Anybody else have any clues as to what's up? No overt crypto relevence, but some parallels to traffic analysis could be easily drawn. - - -- Todd Masco | "life without caution/ the only worth living / love for a man/ cactus(a)hks.net | love for a woman/ love for the facts/ protectless" - A Rich Cactus' Homepage - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLxKkJhNhgovrPB7dAQGCqwP/YzFcuNDCoUDY4a8O5YuVryBZ51HisN6m PHwc5W2bmwXx8LLQs1fOu8J9d3SFZM8l47bBj8EZCIvXatrUCHPVIqnBWfE30z8w 7uQRBn+eTtct/vs9MgPTGDk+mNWgDtYHL7TQ8vfypkYVgrlWH3pNbEs4+EkRv/5l ayYaAPq3IoU= =YUo1 - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLxLe7CoZzwIn1bdtAQHEcgGAm0rMUiMy+5bUX419XmkLtHFXNUjvV8e0 1YylcQ5G9C/HlWXYZett0tudtpBUGZsS =kfFB -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: January meeting with
by david.lloyd-jones＠canrem.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

LE+> The following is a message from my lawyer, Phil Dubois. He posted it +> to alt.security.pgp, and I thought I should post it here as well. The +> message is signed with his key. +> +> --Philip Zimmermann +> LE+The aforementioned signed message from PKZ's lawyer message failed +signature check on my system, apparently because it contained a very +long text line which, somewhere along the way, was chopped into two +lines before it arrived in my mailbox. LE+The two lines as they appeared in my message (which failed signature +test) are: Well, there it is. Phil goes free. -dlj. david.lloyd-jones(a)canrem.com * 1st 1.11 #3818 * Gingrich, n. abbrev. : "giving to the rich".

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Re: Pornography, What is it?
by root 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > You seem to have missed where I say that I don't agree with this > line of reasoning. I tend to believe that the first amendment means > what it says. (I.e. make no law.) But the fact of the matter is that > the people who make the law think differently, right or wrong. > I understand, I just don't think most of the folks out there against porno are interested in constitutional rights. They don't see them as relevant to their day to day lives. You might call it a sort of cult of personality which is using religion as the head. Also, the 1st Amendment says that Congress shall make no law, it doesn't say a damn thing about the states doing it. When I read this amendment what I see is the founding fathers saying it is up to each state to decide for themselves. And since Congress is placed in charge of inter-state relations it is quite simple to reduce this to mean that States may not apply their standards to other states because they would then be acting in the place of the federal government. > >I understand what you are saying, what I am saying is the distinction is not > >used in practice. The bbs operator in Cali. that was busted in Tennessee was > >busted for delivering PORNOGRAPHY (not obscenity) to a minor (in short a 14 > >year olds account being operated by a oinkdroid.) > The key word here is 'minor'. Minor have nowhere near the rights > that adults have. Try banning the sale of pornography to demonstrated > adults. > Yes, but at no time was it proved that a mindor DID d/l the file only that they could. Big distinction to me. A oinkdroid did the d/l'ing by playing like the 14 year old. To me this is entrapment. > I think you misunderstand. The First Amendment places restrictions > upon what the States may do. The States are free to make such > laws or NOT. Some don't. Most do. > The 1st. Amendment says nothing about what the states can do, only Congress. > It's all very well and good to say such things, but this formulation > of liberty has no reasonable basis in Constitutional Law. The > Bill of Rights does not encode Mill's On Liberty, as much as you > might like it to. > Then I suggest you read the 9th and 10th Amendment. The 9th says the states will ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt. The 10th says the federal government will NEVER get it unless there is a Constitional Amendment. > Huh? Obscenity has to do with freedom of speech, not action. It's > an exception to the First Amendment, not to some general class > of liberties. Depictions of anal sex are typically not considered > obscene. The act of anal sex is often made illegal, but that's an > entirely separate issue. It is made illegal because it is considered obscene. You seem to be skirting the issue here. And since when is speech not an act? There are a whole list of things included in the freedom of speech issue (ie freedom of the press) that clearly implies that speech is one kind of act. > > >Also, the whole concept of community standards is unworkable. Whose community? > The community passing the law. Last time I checked such cases were tried by 12 peers, this hardly qualifies as community by any definition. It is not like they take a vote of all the people in the community of voting age (which they should). > > > Look, you can make general arguments about the way that you think > that your liberty should be, but the only legal basis you have > for claims that you have the freedom to do something is the > Bill of Rights. I'm arguing from that basis. > As am I. I base each and every one of my beliefs about how this government is supposed to be run on that document and that document alone. It is not the supreme law of the land for nothing.

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Microsoft TrueName(tm)
by strick -- henry strickland 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

brat(a)apple.com found this somewhere.... strick Microsoft Clarifies Trademark Policies REDMOND, Washington--January 4, 1995--In response to customer inquiries, Microsoft today clarified the naming policy for Bob(tm), its new software product designed for computer beginners. Contrary to rumors, Microsoft will not demand that all persons formerly named "Bob" immediately select new first names. "I don't know where these rumors come from," commented Steve Balmer, Microsoft Executive Vice President for Worldwide Sales and Support. "It's ridiculous to think Microsoft would force people outside the computer industry to change their names. We won't, and our licensing policies for people within the industry will be so reasonable that the Justice Department could never question them." Balmer said employees of other computer companies will be given the opportunity to select new names, and will also be offered a licensing option allowing them to continue using their former names at very low cost. The new licensing program, called Microsoft TrueName(tm), offers persons who want to continue being known by the name Bob the option of doing so, with the payment of a small monthly licensing fee and upon signing a release form promising never to use OpenDoc. As an added bonus, Bob name licensees will also be authorized to display the Windows 95 logo on their bodies. Persons choosing not to license the Bob name will be given a 60-day grace period during which they can select another related name. "We're being very lenient in our enforcement of the Bob trademark," said Bill Newkom, Microsoft's Senior Vice President of Law and Corporate Affairs. "People are still free to call themselves Robert, Robby, or even Rob. Bobby however is derivative of Microsoft's trademark and obviously can't be allowed." Microsoft also announced today that Bob(tm) Harbold, its Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, has become the first Microsoft TrueName licensee and will have the Windows 95 logo tattooed to his forehead.

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credit card purchases
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Saw it there. Thought you might like it here... Cheers, Bob Hettinga >From: peace(a)BIX.com >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 00:26:50 -0500 (EST) >Original-From: peace(a)BIX.com >Subject: credit card purchases >To: www-buyinfo(a)allegra.att.com >X-Cosy-To: www-buyinfo(a)allegra.att.com > > PGCHARGE > >This is a call for interested parties to participate in the alpha >test of an internet ordering program that will be offered to any >customer free of charge to create orders that should be >acceptable to any commercial establishment. > >This is a Windows program designed to generate secure charge card >orders over the internet. The payment mechanism is not the >critical component for this system, that critical component is >the use, by the purchaser, of the merchant's public key, for the >protection of sensitive data, including simple correspondence. > >Two paradigms from the commercial word, EDI and email were >selected for the implementation. Email operates in a store and >forward mode that has some security advantages over web or >network layer security. That advantage comes directly from the >fixed nature of the email message itself. Once it has been >created and signed by the keyholder, it cannot successfully be >altered by any other person. It is also possible for the message >to be encrypted at the point where it is created. Hiding the >contents of the message from anyone other than the intended >recipient. > >EDI has already achieved a great deal of acceptance in the >commercial world. This application is a natural use of the >existing ANSI X12 structures for issuing a purchase order. Any >merchant that is currently using X12 structures should be able to >purchase a single user ViaCrypt PGP license and be in business >accepting secure credit card orders over the internet. > >PGCHARGE does not add any security features by itself, but rather >facilitates security by building an EDI transaction for a >recipient selected from a PGP public keyring. This information >is then passed to PGP to be secured. PGCHARGE then waits for PGP >to complete, adds the appropriate email headers and invokes a >mailer program. > >This program can be downloaded from ftp.csn.org as >mpj/public/pgcharge.zip. Comments can be sent to peace(a)bix.com. > ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) "There is no difference between someone Shipwright Development Corporation who eats too little and sees Heaven and 44 Farquhar Street someone who drinks too much and sees Boston, MA 02331 USA snakes." -- Bertrand Russell (617) 323-7923

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MEETING: Jan. 14th Bay Area Cypherpunks Meeting
by tcmay＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ANNOUNCEMENT ============ This month's Bay Area Cypherpunks Meeting will be held this Saturday, January 14th, from 12 noon until 6 pm in Silicon Graphics Cafe Iris, the usual place and time. Detailed directions are at the end of this message. The topic: Demonstrations The emphasis will be on hands-on, live demonstrations of items of interest. Several speakers will demonstrate products and tools on actual machines. I encourage eating, shmoozing, and general milling-around to be finished by 12:30 at the latest, so we can start discussion of general items, updates, etc. I'd really like to get the demos started by 1 p.m., and 1:30 at the latest. We have a lot of demos planned and some special visitors in town this week, and some special events that just happened. So, as I'm the rotating chairentity this month, I'll wield the gavel ruthlessly. The RSA Data Security Inc. annual conference happened this past week, so I expect several folks will want to provide updates and news announcments, e.g., the licensing of RSAREF, status of lawsuits, new results, etc.. Short updates are good, but we just don't have the time for this meeting to formally present recaps of interesting papers. If there were any *amazing* results, they'll surely keep for a future meeting for more detailed discussion (could be a theme for a meeting). Also, Phil Zimmermann may be at the meeting (he's scheduled), so hearing from him could easily soak up a couple of hours, which we just don't have. In fairness to those who've planned demos, we'll have to try to limit all these interesting folks to the first hour or so. Maybe a few minutes more. And maybe later in the day there'll be time. We have these demos planned. * Henry Strickland (Strick) will, in his words, "be demoing Skronk (transparent above-the-kernel encryption for TCP/IP) and Kudzu (the TCL toolkit)." * Jack Repenning of SGI will demo two interfaces. In his own words, "I'm planning to demo two interfaces, actually: the Emacs one (on an Indy), and the MCIP "MacPGP Kit" plus Eudora extensions, on a Mac." * Phil Zimmermann "will demo pgp 2.9 and possibly voice pgp," according to Katy Kislitzin, who is in contact with Phil. * Katy Kislitzin will bring up the "demo smosaic" she has. (Secure Mosaic.) * Raph Levien will demonstrate "premail," his remailer-chaining tool. * Other ad hoc demos of items of interest may happen. We'll have several machines set up, so those with interesting software or hardware can perhaps do some brief, unscheduled demos. If I left anyone out, anyone who sent me e-mail saying they wanted to demo, I apologize. I went back over my mail and these were the folks I found who'd sent me e-mail. Contact me at my normal e-mail address (tcmay(a)netcom.com) as soon as possible if you want to be added. (I'll be travelling to LA on Friday, for a television interview with the BBC on crypto, and so will be unwired that day.) The emphasis is on hands-on demos, to expose folks to tools, capabilitities, possible future products. Informality is fine. NOTE TO PRESENTERS: Make arrangements to have machines you'll need there. An SGI Unix machine is permanently in the room. Other machines will have to be brought. Because of my trip to LA on Friday, I doubt I'll be bringing my PowerMac 7100AV with me, but I will have a PowerBook 170 laptop Macintosh, if all else fails. Windows and DOS demo folks should bring their machine of choice. (Atari, Cromemco, Amiga, Altair, and Exidy Sorcerer users are of course on their own.) The overhead video system is often more trouble than its worth, but it will be available for at least some of the demos. Those wishing to tie into should have either RGB outputs from their machine, or NTSC composite video. I'll bring my Hi-8 camcorder, which can tie in, and thus allow me to zoom in on whatever machines are there and display the video on the overhead screen. Dinner plans will, as usual, be made in the last chaotic moments of the meeting. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- DIRECTIONS: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Building 5 (SGI Cafeteria) 2025 North Shoreline Boulevard Mountain View, CA >From 101 take Shoreline East. This is towards Shoreline Amphitheatre. It's also "logical east", and points more north that east. (That is, it's east with respect to 101 North, which points west near the exit.) If you're coming in on 101 South, you'll cross over the bridge. Continue on Shoreline and go past a whole bunch of other SGI buildings. Turn right onto Steirlin Court at the big red metal sculpture. There will be even more SGI buildings surrounding you--take note of the building numbers. Go almost to the end of this street. Building 5 is on the right.

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Re: CBS/C.Chung Plan Hit Job on Internet? (fwd)
by Brad Parsons 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 10 Jan 95 21:02:06 PST From: Greg Bailey <greg(a)minerva.com> Subject: Re: CBS/C.Chung Plan Hit Job on Internet? Non sequitur, I think, Helen. The above reads like a lame lemma of the Gun Control theorem and is based on the same fallacious premises. Information is not intrinsically harmful. People are. Information and other means need not be controlled. People must control themselves. If the people in a society cannot control their temptations to do evil with whatever means are available to them, the society cannot be called civilized by any reasonable criteria. Making information available is not a crime. Blowing people up is a crime, and those who do it should pay pay pay. Any discipline worth studying gives its students the means to do good as well as evil, and at least in theory the more they know the greater their potential to act in either direction. Throughout history damn fools have tried to limit the scope of evil by limiting information. All it has demonstrated is that by doing so one can hamstring constructive activity while accomplishing nearly zero against evil due to its tenacity. It is my opinion that the most evil thing anyone can advocate is the limiting of information, especially since in many cases those who propose to do the limiting do not even faintly understand the info themselves. It is also my opinion that to resist any efforts to limit availability of information is *not* to bury one's head under the sand. Not at all. All the theory aside, any elementary school kid who pays attention and knows how to read can easily acquire the art of making gunpowder. At least this was true in the fifties when I was at that age, and being boys my friends and I of course spent many a happy hour out in secluded fields blowing things up in various ways. This sort of thing is basic information that anyone brighter than a rock can come by. Connie Chung displays an astounding level of ignorance by suggesting that high technology has much of anything to do with the phenomenon she reports upon. Instead she should be asking why kids now feel they should blow up people and property instead of old castaway junk. *That* is the story, not the Internet, not Encyclopaedia Britannica ... quoting from this year's edition, by the way, from our kids' book case: gunpowder ... The first such mixture was black powder, which consists of a mixture of saltpetre (potassium nitrate), sulfur, and charcoal. When prepared in roughly the correct proportions (75 percent saltpetre, 14 percent charcoal, and 11 percent sulfur), it burns rapidly when ignited and produces ... Because the burning of black powder is a surface phenomenon, a fine granulation burns faster than a coarse one ... [more straightforward practical information follows] I wonder if Connie reads the encyclopedia. I wonder if she even has one? Grins... Greg Bailey | ATHENA Programming, Inc | 503-621-3215 | ---------------- | 24680 NW Dixie Mtn Road | fax 621-3954 | greg(a)minerva.com | Hillsboro, OR 97124 US |

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privacy digest
by an158409＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am extremely sympathetic to the anti-abortion cause but the kind of abuse described in this item is unnerving. Although illegal and reprehensible, it is one thing for a government official, because of some strong conviction, to violate the law. It is completely another to violate it for money. Men, if they were men, who did this should have their privacies cut off. Subject: Computer Privacy Digest V6#003 Computer Privacy Digest Sat, 07 Jan 95 Volume 6 : Issue: 003 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help(a)anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin(a)anon.penet.fi.

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MBONE broadcasts next week
by Jonathan Corbet 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The USENIX folks plan to broadcast (well..err...multicast) a number of talks from next week's conference over the MBONE. Details are still unavailable, but Evi has posted the following interesting list of folks: ---- Wednesday, January 18: Bruce Schneier, Counterpane Systems Cryptography Brad Chen, Harvard Univ Operating System Measurement Thursday, January 19: John Ousterhout, Sun Microsystems TCL for Internet Agents Bill Janssen, Xerox PARC ILU/CORBA Inter-Language Unification Nathaniel Borenstein, 1st Virtual Holdings Internet Information Commerce David Chaum, Digicash b.v. Cash on the Internet Friday, January 20: Hal Varian, Univ of Michigan Economics of the Internet Pavel Curtis, Xerox PARC The Internet at the Turn of the Millennium: How You'll Use It and Who You'll Meet There ---- The keynote will be Mark Weiser of Xerox PARC talking about their "ubiquitious computing" scheme, which has its own set of privacy implications... Details as I get them. jon Jonathan Corbet National Center for Atmospheric Research, Atmospheric Technology Division corbet(a)stout.atd.ucar.edu http://www.atd.ucar.edu/rdp/jmc.html

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