December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

SPOOF SENDERS?
by nobody＠jpunix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>More remailers (maybe one that 'spoofs' real identities to hide the fact the it is a remailer?) with transparent PGP (download the whole keyring to the Great idea, at least on the face of it. Those in charge have a history of assuming that if you want privacy and low profile then you must have something to hide. If I use remailers to obtain privacy / low profile, why would I want to use a remailer that advertises itself as such? Rather, I'd prefer a nice little quiet one so my messages would blend in with all the rest of the usenet junk. I hate the five lines of disclaimers. I'd pay for my remailing if I could (and will when the feature becomes available), but I'd take my business to the discreet firm of _Chaemeleon Remailers S.A._ - not to all the _Remailers 'R' Us_ that advertise their business in neon on top of my messages.

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Re: I Like ASCII, not MIME and Other Fancy Crap
by amanda＠intercon.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> [...] ELM bombs [...] Well, aside from the fact that I was being intentionally annoying (you will note that I do not normally include my GIF signature in my messages), I will say that the bugs in your mailer are not entirely my concern. MIME is a standard for email on the Internet. If your mailer chokes on it, you can always get another mailer. Pine is good, from what I've heard, and handles MIME just fine. It's just as free as ELM... Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation

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Re: usenet-to-mail
by adam.philipp＠ties.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>"Robert A. Hayden" <hayden(a)krypton.mankato.msus.edu> wrote: >>More importantly, are there are usenet-to-mail gateways? > >Would there by any benefit to doing this at all over the present system? >Why would someone submit a message to the remailer "bramble" via newsgroup >instead of just mailing it? Unless you find an anonymous way to post to >the newsgroup in the first place, your security seems to be seriously >compromised. Even if everything is encrypted, you've made traffic analysis >a huge amount easier. And if you are finding a way to post the a newsgroup >anonymously in the first place, odds are you have some other entry point to >the remailer bramble, so why make a stop on the newsgroup opening yourself >up to traffic analysis? > >Now that I think about it, it seems that there isn't really any reason for >such a thing. > Also one very bad reason NOT to do this. Posting to a newsgroup would remove any ECPA protection that your e-mail may have had. Sure, it isn't much, but at least proven interception could discourage traffic analysis. Proving it is left as an exercise for the student. Adam -- PGP Key available on the keyservers. Encrypted E-mail welcome. Sub rosa: Confidential, secret, not for publication. -Black's Law Dictionary

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Re: I Like ASCII, not MIME and Other Fancy Crap
by Pat Farrell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

tcmay(a)netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: > Oh, I'll go along with this. After all, this is partly why the terminal > standard is about 80 columns (there may be some FORTRAN and CRT > technology of the 1970s reasons as well). Revisionist history! CRT's were 80 columns because Hollerith cards were 80 columns. They had been that size since the late 1800s. 70s compilers for Fortran and Cobol used the columns. Cobol had A and B margins, Fortran had sequence numbers in columns 1 thru 6, and the continuation column in 7. The compilers weren't changed just because of a new fangled I/O device. In the good old days, there were only two I/O sizes that counted, 80 and 132. Pat Pat Farrell Grad Student pfarrell(a)cs.gmu.edu Department of Computer Science George Mason University, Fairfax, VA Public key availble via finger #include <standard.disclaimer>

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Re: Critias Unmasked
by an234＠vox.xs4all.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Fri, 18 Nov 1994, Timothy C. May wrote: >Before the (unsigned) reputation of Critias_the_conspirator is tossed >about further, I was the author of the "anonymous" version. > >(No, I can't prove this, either, but such is life.) > >I wanted to remind folks of just how easy such unsigned reps can be >"used" by others. (No, I don't sign my own messages, due to hassles >with uploading signed messages to my Internet host, but I also rarely >use digital pseudonyms.) Which is why, in spite of the same sort of hassle that Tim mentioned, I make it a point to sign everything I post to the list. I regard the minor annoyance to be a necessary part of legitimizing this new nym -- for what it provides and especially for what it prevents. N. Cognito =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= N. Cognito "Don't put no constrictions on da people. an234(a)vox.xs4all.nl Leave 'em ta hell alone." -- J. Durante =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= public key available via keyserver -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLs5yOqL3ipYu3mvVAQHPSAP8C50Izeg6KxRfgOTpC0vrHxQakvPHRdrk m0rh4BtObR6qdSCywlLz2bJ5z5ZetxrW+d6CsTgHqSLTKyf2t5dTuXoI6xMM6dnk aPSkEyBAr0AETGXA0rgiucEWosP09/t8mOoJCdIut/oqu8A5OarGRILlMuvOZuHC Ki5pNcabPpI= =tsCR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: I Like ASCII, not MIME and Other Fancy Crap
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> As for solutions, the only solutions there are and ever will be involve you >> getting of that terminal server. The evolution of the Internet will make >> ASCII terminals obsolete. If it hasn't already done so. >> >> Let's take that poll of what people use. I am curious. > >All right, you asked for it. :-) [Long list delete. Wow! But notice, he _is_ getting the stuff of the termial server.] >My best experience with PGP is using perl scripts integrated with elm >(thus a preference for using linux for mail). However it doesn't handle >MIME right. Pine seems to handle MIME, but I haven't figured out how to >add PGP support. There is a Pine with PGP support out there. I don't use mail on UNIX, so I don't have it handy, but I am sure someone else on the list will tell you all about it. >I have yet to play with the PGP Applescripts for Eudora. They're >sitting on my Mac's disk waiting for me to try them. Same here. I have just been to busy helping people get a better net connection. >I'd be curious to hear your commentions/suggestions. How about someone makes up a fill out form that we then send in for analysis? That's how we did it two years ago. >> P.S. If anybody here on the list wants to know how to turn their regular >> shell account into a SLIP account, email me for info or read >> alt.dcom.slip-emulators. Please don't ask about it on the list. > >Is this TIA on the Mac? I haven't tried that yet. I've tried term in >linux, which sounds similar, and it didn't work. And for the moment, I >do have means to get a SLIP connection. If you have a SLIP connection, then use that. Yes, it is TIA, but not on the Mac. TIA runs on the UNIX host only. Your Mac/PC/Whatever just uses standard SLIP software and doesn't have the slightest clue that the other end isn't _really_ a SLIP sever. Unlike term, where you have to recompile the software on the client to work with it. But please, lets keep the SLIP discussion off the list. Anyone who is interested please email me for more info. Happy netting, -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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sorry
by mbartley＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sorry about my last posting everyone. I must have missed a cc: header; I didn't intend to send it to the list.

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usenet-to-mail
by tim werner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[I accidentally sent this to owner-cypherpunks before. Sorry if it shows up again later. tw] >Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 01:51:05 -0500 >From: jrochkin(a)cs.oberlin.edu (Jonathan Rochkind) > >"Robert A. Hayden" <hayden(a)krypton.mankato.msus.edu> wrote: >>More importantly, are there are usenet-to-mail gateways? > >My first impression was that that was just a joke. Then I thought it might >be a very good idea after all. Then I thought it surely wasn't a joke, but >also wasn't a very good idea. Now I'm not sure. :) I was thinking that Robert meant something like getting a usenet feed via mail. Speaking of which, are there any sort of "public", or "free" NNTP servers? Or even "cheep"? Even just read-only? I'm afraid of losing my full feed along with my account when I finish my masters. I don't want to go for a PhD just so I can keep browsing the alt groups. tw

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Karl Hess- L.A. Area
by jkh＠story.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and let me remind you, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." -- Karl Hess Meeting in Pasadena (near Los Angeles) CALIFORNIA U-S-A- Nobody is leaving town because of the meeting this time 8^) The following text was written by SEK3: --- K A R L H E S S C L U B --- REVOLUTION, REACTION or BETRAYAL? A Special 3-Part Post Election Series 1. Monday, November 21, 1994 You are invited to attend our Sixth Meeting, TRIUMPH OF THE PALEOS? Three speakers were invited tonight. The spokesperson for the Paleoconservatives, Mr. Steven Piper, who publicly agreed last meeting to attend and present his position, decided otherwise after election nigbt. Meanwhile, the former spokesperson for the anti-voting Movement of the Libertarian Left who debated Ted Brown, spokespersons for the Dana Rohrbacher candidacy, and Loy Lefevre, also declined to attend. What does it all mean? Has the Centrist "Libertarian" Party (LP) strategy won by default? Does that strategy win anything? Should libertarians not only embrace voting, but for Republicans, following Rothbard/Rockwell Paleolibs into joining the Paleocons behind a Buchanan-run RP? Or have the Paleos already pulled up the drawbridge behind them? Or should we assume the Right has decisively won -- and all join the tattered remnants of the New Left, the new coffee-house anarchists, and the non-socialist Left in a last-ditch, die-hard defense of what freedoms we can salvage? Or...tonight long-time LP activist, holder of many party offices, and articulate former editor of the LP's newspaper, Ted Brown, recently defeated candidate for California Insurance Commissioner and, incidently, one of the LP's biggest vote getters, presents the case for The Party. At the last minute, Tom Dominy, defeated candidate in a Republican primary for Congress, former LP activist, agreed to appear on behalf of the Republican Option. DINNER at MARIE CALLENDER'S in Pasadena 7 p.m. $13 prix fixe with the following entree choices: * Chicken Broccoli Fettucine * Country Fried Steak * Pot Roast -- includes beverage, tax and tip. For only $2 more, piece of MC's famous pie becomes included! 210 Fwy to Rosemead Bl. South to Foothill Bl. Right to MC's on Foothill (between Sierra Madre and Walnut). Or Colorado Blvd to Sierra Madre, north to Foothill, left to MC's. PROGRAM 8 p.m. Announcements * 8:15 Featured speakers (see column left) * Questions and Answers (moderated by the speaker) * Special Series Opening and Closing by SEK3 * Official Meeting Close at 10 p.m. After-meeting until... 2. Monday, December 19, 1994 ANARCHIST ALTERNATIVES ...and alternative anarchists. Agorists, Discordians, anarcho- syndicalists and punks -- cypher and rock. Does "dropping out" of the hopeless aboveground political system mean less activism -- or more? Is it time to move from the back-room to the coffeehouse? - From the conference committee room to the Usenet? Does feminism mean sharing the same oppression experienced by most males? Does voting for socialism mean bureaucratic capitalism and does voting for free enterprise mean profit...for bureaucrats? Did you vote for change last month...and get betrayed already? Are you ready to get angry...or get even? Or just get something done! If so, come and hear our panel of real alternatives: from (De)center, IWW, and the new improved and revitalized Movement of the Libertarian Left. Find out what's already going on all around you. At Hasmik's in Cheviot Hills (West L.A.). Make sure you are on our mailing list to get the postcard giving you the details! Call (310) 289-4126 or send your mail drop to KHC c/o AI, 291 S. La Cienega Blvd., #749, Beverly Hills, CA 90211. (Or e-mail to jkh(a)story.com) - JKH 3. Monday, January 16, 1994 (I think he meant 1995, unless Dr. Who's Tardis is available) - JKH "THE NIGHT OF JANUARY 16TH" What have the Objectivists been up to since the death of Ayn Rand? Successors, institutes, new associations...some of whom are actually eager to dialog with libertarians and others. Have they something new for us to consider? Should we go back to our philosophical roots first before wasting more time on inherently impossible solutions? Is A still A? On this most special night for objectivists, come and find out. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3 iQCVAgUBLsw8hA4ciVn87Ra9AQEE/AP/ef4FQxCT8Yor15w+HqchmyqgWS+nQCa2 xOrOmbvJgoSmRvMeTNVPZZ0+h2gKdNLJyCnanypZZ6tmeW/hdbl4INQW4sNnY2lz wbMFutziGc6bjMD64nPce5323tvtfUjIb/WeSm79qP+eqBxs2HZwNWpAVmhGMHNu opsge4xGGzw= =LwUT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: usenet-to-mail
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Speaking of which, are there any sort of "public", or "free" NNTP >servers? Or even "cheep"? Even just read-only? I'm afraid of losing >my full feed along with my account when I finish my masters. I don't >want to go for a PhD just so I can keep browsing the alt groups. There are at least a dozen that are read-only. Finger lesikar(a)tigger.stcloud.msus.edu for the full list. There is exactly one that will let you post: newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de <Yes, I know where it is.> However, it won't confirm your posts. Just hit cancel 30 seconds after you hit post. The message will be posted. Better yet, find a private service provider that will let you use their newsserver. How do you inted to access the newsserver without an account, anyway? -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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