December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Detweiler clone at WS
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

R.>The down side was that licensing was mentioned as the first recourse R.>from the state. When we complained of the financial hit, the talk R.>turned to registration. But the sense was clearly toward proactive R.>state control. Are these people mentally retarded or what. A BBS is a publication. The 1st Amendment was specifically written to outlaw the British licensing of publications. No risk. DCF --- WinQwk 2.0b#1165

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Commercial version of PGP
by HHM LIMPENS 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi, I got a question from a Polish PGS user who wants to know wheter he can make a commercial version of PGP for Europaen users. He mentioned the Swiss patent holding of IDEA, but he wasn't able to contact the people over there as the fax/phone numbers were disconnected. :-| Does anyone with a bit legal knowledge know anything about this? i.e. does he have to obtain licenses from RSA (although he only plans to export in Europe) and from the patent holders of RSA. And how about Phil ? Does Philip Zimmermann allow this kind of usage of his code ? - -- Eric. 'If we are ever in danger of undermining the NSA, they will either buy us or shoot us.' +----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Eric Limpens | Where is my spycamera !? | | | ..Bart Simpson.. | | <Limpe001(a)hio.tem.nhl.nl> +----------------------------+ | S=limpe001;OU=hio;OU=tem;O=nhl;PRMD=surf;ADMD=400net;C=nl | | finger limpe001(a)141.252.36.60 for PGP 2.7 key | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAgUBLhPxIOgWAlGwR3dDAQGfOgQAz2V8KNrC7hV94iIG9GeDet00a48OLlTi IM+TX7fQMC3QVR/VYS90KRETA2MdbYGcAzyAoGfJm4OOL8paLstoe4VsvzVq+8r8 alpTCvzoO3c038hiCY0kfhKB6Fmny5LzscntRgtCyZuQ6td+GsGTUGG2usSqSfQV JFK+PulxmBY= =q5+4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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The 800 number requested
by bart＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The outfit was called "Full Disclosure" and was at 800 235 1414. I haven't tried it for a long time so, no guarantee its still active.

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(Fwd) What motivates Cryp
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

J >I got PGP running on my machine a few weeks ago because I liked J >the idea of being able to communicate privately if I wanted, The major motivation. Crypto gives you the power to carve out a "zone of privacy" at will and say to the whole world, "This part of my life is mine alone." J >It may seem that I am being particularly naive in being J >surprised by this but I am from the UK where libertarian views J >of this kind are not so widely held. Though they *were* largely invented there... J >Similarly my motivations for J >using cryptography come simply from a desire for privacy from J >Govt. and other snooping but NOT from the 'cyber-survivalist' J >inclinations that seem to motivate some in the US at least. Distinguish "desire for privacy from Govt." and "'cyber-survivalist' inclinations" -- seems like the identical motive. It *is* government that digital volunteerists (a friendlier term) seek privacy from. J >I read some stuff on Vince Cate's WWW site by Tim May about how J >crypto was going to bring down governments due to (legal?) tax J >evasion by those who are computer literate . I have to say that J >I think this is highly unlikely I think Tim uses the term "collapse of governments." Most of us are just making predictions about the sort of institutional changes that will occur as people discover that they have more choices. Since controlling people by threatening to kill them if they disobey (the Political Means) only works if you can carry out your threat, if people can erect "unbreakable" barriers against States, their power is reduced. One doesn't have to overthrow them. They are overthrown by a change in their tactical capabilities. J >general herald an age of 'survival of the fittest' where those J >clued up about computers will be able to take advantage and do J >better due to paying less taxes etc. J >Personally I have no desire to evade tax since I quite like J >being able to drive on tarmac without holes, and having J >schooling and health care provided for all with the richer J >folk subsidising the poorer folk. And here I thought "lefties" were opposed to coercive monopolies. J >I'd never come across a right-wing anarchist before reading the J >crypto groups - weird! We're everywhere! DCF "Libertarian anarchist since Steve B. gave him a copy of Lysander Spooner's 'No Treason -- the Constitution of No Authority' in 1970." --- WinQwk 2.0b#1165

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(FWD) WHAT MOTIVATES FORWARDERS?
by gtoal＠an-teallach.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Actually, no, it's not really a forward of anything at all. It's just that this forwarding business is *really* getting out of hand. For Christ's sake guys, if *you* can read stuff on other groups, credit us with the intelligence of being able to find it too. If this keeps up we'll have the who 20Mb/day of usenet funnelling through cypherpunks. How about in future just saying "Hey, anyone who doesn't know about talk.politics.crypto, go have a look at it on usenet. By the way there's an interesting thread going on just now about blah blah blah."? G

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Devil's Advocate (again)
by Anonymous User 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I notice the argument against "why do you need crypto... are you doing something ILLEGAL" is that the argument that "why don't you want a camera in your house... are you doing something ILLEGAL". This is good, but where in the Constitution does it say that people can have crypto not regulated by the Government? Would this be under the First Amendment of free speech? Again, I am playing Devil's Advocate here. ------------ To respond to the sender of this message, send mail to remailer(a)soda.berkeley.edu, starting your message with the following 8 lines: :: Response-Key: ideaclipper ====Encrypted-Sender-Begin==== MI@```%IS^P;+]AB?X9TW6\8WR:"P&2%))6DK&_"'9H7Z#TP^%/-Q).;<[88Q ME30D:-V2"G!=KV&$CCA?;+(6+E.#?2%P`0:V-J'.#NA:J^2@,\;GUI)DG5,O %CR6`-HX` ====Encrypted-Sender-End====

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Re: Physical storage of key is the weakest link
by lcottrell＠popmail.ucsd.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

tcmay(a)netcom.com tells us: >Much more likely: > >* Diskettes left lying around. Secret keys on home computers. > >* Incompletely erased files. (Norton Utilities can recover erased >files; mil-grade multiple-pass erasure may be needed.) > > >A simple search warrant executed on your premises will usually crack >open all your crypto secrets. (Fixes to this are left as an exercise.) > >Where to store one's secret key is an issue that makes academic the >issue of whether one's key can be compelled. A diskette stored at >one's home, in one's briefcase, etc., can be gotten. A pendant or >dongle or whatever that stores the key can also be gotten. The >passphrase (8-12 characters, typically) is secure, but not the key. > >--Tim May If your passphrase is good (128+ bits of entropy), then your private key is as secure as the messages that you send. Although it need be broaken only once, I see no real danger of IDEA being compromised in the near future. Given a good passphrase, I would suggest that you want multiple coppies of your key to prevent loss or accidental destruction. My passphrase is > 30 characters. Fortunately Mac PGP remembers the key during any given session so typing is kept down a bit. -------------------------------------------------- Lance Cottrell who does not speak for CASS/UCSD loki(a)nately.ucsd.edu PGP 2.3 key available by finger or server. "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come." --Nietzsche

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Re: (Fwd) What motivates Cryp
by gtoal＠an-teallach.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

J >It may seem that I am being particularly naive in being J >surprised by this but I am from the UK where libertarian views J >of this kind are not so widely held. Though they *were* largely invented there... I think it's just that most of us get out when we see state control here getting oppresive past our personal limits. (Which it just did, hello Criminal Justice Bill, goodbye Graham) G

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someone clue me in about USACM..
by sommerfeld＠orchard.medford.ma.us 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Could someone explain to me the difference, if any, between the "USACM" and the panel of luminaries who put out the "Codes, Keys, and Conflicts" paper? The paper was downright bland in tone, while the one-page USACM position in the press release is clearly hostile towards the EES. Who is the USACM? How big is it, who can join, and who has? - Bill

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Re: ANI 800 number
by werner＠mc.ab.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: khijol!erc(a)apple.com (Ed Carp [Sysadmin]) >Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 08:55:30 -0400 (EDT) > >> shamrock(a)netcom.com (Lucky Green) wrote: >> >> No, but you can use AT&T's test number - 1073214049889664 > >Too bad it doesn't work from Canada :( Doesn't seem to work for me in Cleveland, either. Maybe you have to have AT&T long distance for it to work. tw

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