December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Children and the Net
by L. Todd Masco 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Am I the only one that's struck by the similarity between the propaganda about the Waco massacre and the propaganda preceding the Persion Gulf massacre? [For those who don't know, a good deal of the stories about Iraqi attrocities were totally manufactured. Read "Second Front" (author last name "Truman", I believe) for an account from a reporter's perspective of how the Pentagon manipluated stories and therefore public opionion] -- L. Todd Masco | Bibliobytes books on computer, on any UNIX host with e-mail cactus(a)bb.com | "Information wants to be free, but authors want to be paid." [Not obviously C'punk related, but it really is: we must understand the propaganda machine that the US government has working for it if we hope to oppose them successfully on crypto issues]

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Re: GAK
by doug＠OpenMind.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>How 'bout GIC (Gov't Interference with Crypto)? >>or Federal Usage of Keys? > >Clearly -- > > Federal Usage of Citizens' Keys OK, one more: CRyptographic Access Police Doug

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Re: Children and the Net
by jamiel＠sybase.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 7:49 PM 07/31/94 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >I find this trend among cypherpunks, who are SUPPOSED to be defenders >of diversity and freedom, rather odd. I would have expected people to >limit themselves to calmly stating that Mr. Zooks should find another >way to accomplish the goal of raising his children free from >influences he dislikes. Instead they seem to have taken it upon >themselves to decide whether or not his religion or personality >requires realignment, and some have, yes, even gone so far as to >suggest that he doesn't know how to raise his own kids. I think this is almost a first- I *never* agree with Perry. I may have tons of opinions about any number of people fucking up thier kids' lives, but the day I find out that teaching a child a certain way is gonna get me in trouble is the day I move... And I will never have children. >Perry So... anyone up for a hot discussion of RSA? ;) -j -- "Blah Blah Blah" ___________________________________________________________________ Jamie Lawrence <jamiel(a)sybase.com>

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PKP/Cylink Lawsuit
by schneier＠chinet.chinet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It is strange. Actually, Caro-Kann and RSADSI are partners, as Cylink apparently formed a subsidiary just to shelter themselves from the liability of being partners with Bidzos. Cylink has some RSA-based products, and Bidzos had formally threatened (in writing) a lawsuit claiming Cylink doesn't have an RSA license. Cylink claims Bidzos denied them a license, even though they have agreements which obligate him otherwise. It is unclear to me whether this is just a royalty dispute (ie Cylink wants a *free* license) or whether Bidzos doesn't want them in the RSA business. At any rate, they appear to be bitter enemies now. They have jeapordized all of their future patent royalties by going to court. Bruce

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Re: Children and the Net
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Berzerk wrote: > The search warrent talks about having guns and "clandestine" >*publications* and neve authorizes breaking into windows to serve a >NORMAL search warrent. > What kind of publications are we talking about? -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP public key by finger

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Re: Anonymous code name allocated. // penet hack
by jamiel＠sybase.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:53 PM 08/01/94 -0700, Lyman Hazelton wrote: > No, and I don't either, but now someone else can use those accounts and >LOOK like they are you or me (or anyone else here). Now suppose some >twit decides to use one or more of those accounts to send threatening >messages to the president or some other stupid thing... who are they >going to come after, do you suppose? NOT a nice scenario! Looks like the perfect way to 'prove' the need for stamping out anonymous communications...Run a hack like this, turn it into a huge madia event, realize an innocent was falsely accused becuase of some psycho pervert computer geek, and push through your law. Slicker than Polly Klaas, and almost as good for re- election material (apologies to non-Californians).

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Encrypted text illegal across US borders?
by baum＠apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've been told that it is illegal for us to transmit encrypted text to locations outside the borders of the US (i.e. sending email across the Atlantic that is encrypted). Is this true? ************************************************** * Allen J. Baum tel. (408)974-3385 * * Apple Computer, MS/305-3B * * 1 Infinite Loop * * Cupertino, CA 95014 baum(a)apple.com * **************************************************

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SALT LAKE CITY
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

C'punks, Anyone on this channel live in or near Salt Lake City? I'm planning my trip across the continent, and I'm looking for a place to spend the night in the Salt Lake area. Any takers? S a n d y

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Re: Philadelphia Enquirer Story on Clipper
by Jeff Gostin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

shamrock(a)netcom.com (Lucky Green) writes: >> She said the public was far more >> concerned with crime than*privacy.* > > It gives me the chills everytime I read that quote. I just can't get used to > it. Damn right you can't, because it starts a rather attrocious slippery slope. Sure, right now it's phone calls. Next, corner "papers please" checks. Finally, open random house checks, and thought police. Sorry, but I didn't elect Orwell to be god, er, president. Of course, I didn't elect Clinton either... --Jeff -- ====== ====== +----------------jgostin(a)eternal.pha.pa.us----------------+ == == | The new, improved, environmentally safe, bigger, better,| == == -= | faster, hypo-allergenic, AND politically correct .sig. | ==== ====== | Now with a new fresh lemon scent! | PGP Key Available +---------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Encryption in Fiction (DKM's _The Long Run_)
by mclow＠san_marcos.csusm.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

How about a quote from Vernor Vinge's "True Names" (a must read for any cypherpunk, happily now back in print): "Like most folks, honest citizens or warlocks, he had no trust for the government standard encryption routines, but preferred the schemes that had leaked out of academia -- over the NSA's petulant objections -- over the last fifteen years". This from a book that was published in 1981. Marshall Clow Aladdin Systems mclow(a)san_marcos.csusm.edu

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