December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

NOT JUST CYPHERPUNKS
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, There's a pretty good article about the privacy debate in the July/August issue of BEYOND COMPUTING. The article, "Technology and Government: The Battle Heats Up," is by Dr. H. Jefferson Smith. It appears in the "ethics" section. Mostly it was a once-over-lightly, but at least it never mentioned kiddie porn, narcotraffickers, pedophiles nor terrorists. It was fairly even handed in its presentation. The article ended with these paragraphs: . . . On one level, discussions of an individual's rights--such as the right to conduct private conversa- tions without a threat of government intrusion--are pitted against the worthy goal of an efficient and safe society. On a deeper level, a potentially more perplexing dilemma is at play: Should our government interject itself into technological advances to achieve some socially desir- able outcome? And, if so, who should determine which outcome should be sought? Of course, we know the Cypherpunk answers, but at least other folks are looking at the issues. Onward and upward. S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: Lotto odds
by jim＠bilbo.suite.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May writes: >I've never played, and never plan to. Money down the drain. I have a completely different attitude towards mega-buck lotteries. I seem them as a form of entertainment. For less than the price of a two hour movie, I can purchase a ticket that is good for a few days of daydreaming. Yes, I admit it, although the rational portion of my brain understands the odds against winning are mostly zero, there still exists a portion of my brain that says "sure, but mostly zero means partly non-zero". I derive pleasure from the daydreams of instant wealth that mega-buck lotteries make possible. Therefore, for me, it's not money down the drain. Jim_Miller(a)suite.com ObC'punk: [regarding export of crypto] "That the arguments they are hearing about American companies are unproven, and that no single case of a problem has been documented (in his view)." What's the official government form I need to fill out to prove loss of revenue from an inability to export a version of our product that was never produced since we knew in advance we would not be able to export it?

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Re: Archives?
by norm＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 13:21 1994/06/22 -0600, Roger Bryner wrote: >Hello, >Are there archives for this mailing list? ... Probably at NSA.

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FW: TOP TEN REASONS WHY THE WHITE HOUSE STAFF LIKE THE INTERNET
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

------- Forwarded Message [ fwds deleted ] TOP TEN REASONS WHY THE WHITE HOUSE STAFF LIKE THE INTERNET This list provided by Tom Kalil, the David Letterman of the Clinton/Gore administration. Kalil gave the closing keynote at INET'94/JENC5 in Prague on Friday, June 17, and included this list in his talk about NII efforts in the United States. 10. Surfing the Web is more fun than going to meetings. 9. Even reading old RFCs is more fun than going to meetings. 8. On the Internet, no one knows you're a bureaucrat. 7. It's how we get our daily marching orders from Vint Cerf, Tony Rutkowski, and Dave Farber. 6. It's hard to write your X.400 address on a cocktail napkin. 5. We get all that great electronic fan mail on the Clipper Chip. 4. We have access to the Top Secret Air Force server with cool gifs of UFOs and little green men. 3. We're still hoping to get on Carl Malamud's "Geek of the Week." 2. We love getting flamed by rabid libertarians on "com-priv." 1. We can send e-mail FROM president(a)whitehouse.gov. ------- End of Forwarded Message

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Moakley's real fax #?
by fnerd＠smds.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does someone have the real fax number of Representative Moakley (chairman of the House Rules Committee)? (202)225-7304 says, "You have reached a non-working number at the U.S. House of Representatives," and doesn't seem to respond to a fax tickler beep. -fnerd - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - the liquidy snack that drinks like a beverage! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a aKxB8nktcBAeQHabQP/d7yhWgpGZBIoIqII8cY9nG55HYHgvt3niQCVAgUBLMs3K ui6XaCZmKH68fOWYYySKAzPkXyfYKnOlzsIjp2tPEot1Q5A3/n54PBKrUDN9tHVz 3Ch466q9EKUuDulTU6OLsilzmRvQJn0EJhzd4pht6hSnC1R3seYNhUYhoJViCcCG sRjLQs4iVVM= =9wqs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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"What motivates Crypto-folk?"
by tcmay＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There's an interesting new thread with this name in talk.politics.crypto. I've responded with an essay--you other folks might want to as well. --Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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ANI 800 number
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

About 1.5 years ago, Sandy posted an 800 number that would give you the number of the phone you are calling from. Does anyone still have that? TIA, -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP public key by finger Please write to clipper.petition(a)cpsr.org and tell them you oppose Clipper.

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Re: RE: BLACK UNICORN
by ghio＠cmu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

| Well, I just sent mail to you, Sandy at crl.com, but it came back to | you saying that you were "554 Unbalanced '>' ". I guess it's in | reference to the software :>) This is a bit of SMTP foolishness. Some applications put greater-than/less-than brackets around the address, like this: RCPT TO:<cypherpunks(a)toad.com> and some don't, ie: RCPT TO:cypherpunks@toad.com Some SMTP implementations refuse to accept one or the other format. It's not a very common problem, but it happens occasionally, especially with older versions.

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NSA Agents Threaten to Kill Bidzos of RSA?
by jim＠RSA.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Everything reported in the Merc News is true. I am certain that he was not speaking for the agency, but when it happened he was quite serious, at least appeared to be. There was a long silence after he made the threat, with a staring contest. He was quite intense. I respect and trust the other two who were in the room (they were shocked and literally speechless, staring into their laps) and plan to ask NSA for a written apology and confirmation that he was not speaking for the agency. We'll see if I get it. If the incident made it into their trip reports, I have a chance of getting a letter. ..end.. --

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Bandwidth According to Seabrook
by Brian Beker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The New Yorker's John Seabrook on the Charlie Rose show tonight: "...bandwidth, which is basically the width of the wire coming into your home..." [quoted from memory -- verbatim or nearly so.] Brian

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