December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by remail＠desert.hacktic.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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that is cool
by jp＠jep.pld.ttu.ee 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> According to the NSA talk at MIT last week, the "checksum" is formed > by taking a 16-bit, fixed number (fixed in all chips) and encrypting > it with the session key via some special form of skipjack. > And by doing that add silicon area and new algorithm? Instead of using one that already existed? Concern for Net bandwith ( 16 instead of 80 bits per session ) and stupidity is of cource noteworthy, but i personally think that they have got spy working there, who deliberately disrupts their work to an extent where they just must quit Clipper and say Oh, let us be friends and use DES :) JP from TTU.

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Hints at spoofing given on TCP-IP Listserv...
by NetSurfer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 23:46:22 LCL From: William <billw(a)GLARE.CISCO.COM> To: Multiple recipients of list TCP-IP <TCP-IP%PUCC.BITNET(a)cmsa.Berkeley.EDU> Subject: Re: Is IP source routing a bad idea? A correct and bug-free implementation of IP source routing allows any host on the internet to masquerade as any IP address that it would like to, thus breaking any access control based on the source IP address (eg, most of the unix r-utilities.) Exactly how to do this is left as an excercise to the reader, but the fundamental problem is that the source route allows the packet to travel "through" possibly suspect IP entities that have not had the slightest amount of authentication as "trustworthy" routers applied to them. BillW cisco ========================================================================== Tentacle food for thought?

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Re: Why it is legal to export PGP under ITAR
by Vance Cochrane 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

| Nice try, but NEVER confuse a dictionary definition with a legal definition. | | In article <199405280642.XAA05875(a)jobe.shell.portal.com>, | <nobody(a)shell.portal.com> wrote: | >The US ITAR law exempts many things from export restrictions, among them, | >materials availiable in public libraries. It gives no special definition for a | >library. My American Heritage Dictionary defines "library" as, among other | >things, "An orginized collection of recorded data arranged for ease of use." | >IOW, an ftp site. Which means that if a program is available from a public ftp | >site, you're legally allowed to export it. :) I am not a lawyer so don't scorch me... Where does one obtain a legal definition if it is not in Blacks Law Dictionary? Isn't the next source a "regular" dictionary? ...thats what they do on Perry Mason ;-) vec

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Re: Help A Novice Understand
by werner＠mc.ab.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >[about Sternlight...] > Someone said that Sternlight is a high-placed govt official. I don't believe this. I think he is a retired old fart with a home computer and an internet acct. Sternlight is neurotic. Detweiler is psychotic. I don't think Sternlight has been a factor in this mailing list, except that people who read the Usenet crypt groupts and comp.eff.talk.org. have had to deal with his posts alot, and some may be assuming that everyone on this list is quite familiar with his name. Detweiler, and posts about Detweiler, dominated this list for awhile. I hope this doesn't start up again, especially about Sternlight, since he never even posts to this list. Unless it has something to do with cypherpunk issues, of course. tw

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restore subscription
by axelrod＠s106.es.llnl.gov 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For some reason, I have stopped getting mail. Please restore.

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Re: 6/6 New Yorker anti-crypto propaganda
by jktaber＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Mon Jun 6 03:51:24 1994 > Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 01:10:22 -0500 > From: Anthony Garcia <agarcia(a)sugar.NeoSoft.COM> > Message-Id: <199406060610.AA10841(a)sugar.NeoSoft.COM> > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Cc: agarcia(a)sugar.NeoSoft.COM > In-Reply-To: "Bradley W. Dolan"'s message of 05 Jun 94 21:00:47 EDT <940606010046_71431.2564_FHA46-1(a)CompuServe.COM> > Subject: Re: 6/6 New Yorker anti-crypto propaganda > Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Precedence: bulk > > New Yorker writer says: > [Many clueless things, including:] > The net poses a fundamental threat not only to the authority > of the government, but to all authority, because it permits > people to organize, think, and influence one another without > any institutional supervision whatsoever. > > Oh, Dear. We Certainly Can't Let That Happen. > > Sigh. This gentleman obviously needs to be regrooved. Does anyone > have his net address? > > -Anthony Garcia > agarcia(a)sugar.neosoft.com > "Wacos In Cyberspace: Hear, hear!" > Well, as I read that sentence in isolation, it is true, and a Good Thing. I will be concerned if the author is urging "institutional" supervision. Guess I gotta go read the New Yorker now. Sheesh, you guys, you get me to read the Atlantic Monthly, now the New Yorker. I hope they have gotten away from their dilatory style, and that the cartoons are still good, if I gotta waste my money this way.

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Re: 6/6 New Yorker anti-crypto propaganda
by gtoal＠an-teallach.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

: This buffoon, BTW, is the article's author. : Do not flame him! This will serve only to justify his ideas. If, : however, you sent him a polite, well reasoned debate, it would probably : do a world of good. Also, if you present views that are "too radical," : he will most likely discount you as a kook and thus ignore all of your : arguments and associate them with some dangerous revolutionary movement. : This is a bad thing. Tell me, Mr Newbie, do they have the expression "Go teach your granny to suck eggs" in the US too? G

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Re: Help A Novice Understand
by harveyrj＠vt.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >Someone said that Sternlight is a high-placed govt official. I don't >believe this. I think he is a retired old fart with a home computer >and an internet acct. > Having been naive enough to actually read a number of his posts regarding PGP-related topics on the usenet groups, I would likewise be amazed if "Dr. Sternlight" was indeed a 'highly placed' govt official, if for no other reason than it would be inconceivable for any branch of our government that's supposed to operate in secret to allow the stream of effluent that he generates over the net to appear _with attribution_. A wanna-be net-cop with too much time on his hands, perhaps, but a high government offical in a super-secret agency??? NOT! ------------------------------------------------------------------ R. J. Harvey (email: harveyrj(a)vt.edu) PGP key 0BADDDB5 (82 42 53 EA 97 B0 A2 B2 FC 92 90 BB C2 26 FD 21) Opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of my employer

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Lattice Secret Disk II
by Jim choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi All, I recently got a copy of Lattice's Secret Disk II and not bad. Anyone have any ideas what the 'FAST' technology is? It supports DES for those who are not familiar with the product. Take care.

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