December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Leaving the Country
by frissell＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:50 AM 7/15/94 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >As a step short of leaving the U.S. (partly because I think that while >the U.S. gets the Net attention for its Gorewellian plans, other >countries are following suit or have already done so), I've been to >Nevada to scout out property (no state income tax, lower real estate >prices, fairly mild climate, little welfare) and plan to check out the >coastal regions of Florida (also no state income tax). FYI - the states with no (general) tax on wages are: New Hampshire* Florida Texas Tennesee South Dakota Wyoming Nevada Washington Alaska* *No (general) sales tax either. How do they do it -- Magic. DCF Privacy 101 - In 1944, my friend Byrt ran into this girl on the street that he knew from his old neighborhood. He told her where he was sleeping. That evening, the Geheime Staatspolizei visited Byrt and invited him to become a guest of the German government. One year later, elements of Patton's Third Army rescued Byrt from his mistake of telling someone where he slept.

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Re: Leaving the Country
by analyst＠Onramp.NET 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>FYI - the states with no (general) tax on wages are: > >New Hampshire* >Florida >Texas >Tennesee >South Dakota >Wyoming >Nevada >Washington >Alaska* > >*No (general) sales tax either. How do they do it -- Magic. *New Hampshire--alcohol sales (state run liquor stores), anything else? *Alaska--lots of oil. -- Benjamin McLemore analyst(a)onramp.net

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Re: ID card from hell
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From Duncan Frissell: It is perfectly possible to have a rich full life even though you disobey your nation state. You need not even be an outcast any longer. There are *other* communities in which you can find full acceptance and support *without* having to move. ..................................................... But it isn't the acceptance of a small group which is the problem - it is the effects of the macrocosm upon the minor element ("tribe", group, or just individual): It is that you must live in their re-arrangements of reality more and more, and in the actual reality less and less; one's own area of authority is constantly reduced, replaced by their overriding decisions. First they nationalize your possessions, then your mind: but it can also be done the other way: while everyone is freely engaging in commercial transactions across national boundaries, in the background everyone is being corralled into a national identity scheme by which they can be made responsive to the "needs of the State" (legitimate law enforcement, etc.) It's not so much the fact that everyone is identifiable individually for every place they go and everything they purchase, etc. which is so much the issue (at least for me); it is that the connection to the Holy Leadership is always maintained, like a tether - you always know, psychologically, to whom you are attached and to whom therefore, you must surrender your money, your time, your identity card........ It's just continous war. I appreciate the tips which Duncan provides, even if they're inconvenient and don't work for everyone. There oughta be a FAQ for Hitchhikers on the Galaxy, on "How to Live Among Them". Blanc

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Re: Leaving the Country
by analyst＠Onramp.NET 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>On Fri, 15 Jul 1994 smb(a)research.att.com wrote: >> TANSTAAFL. >??????????? > >What is this, some comglomerate of 3 federal agencies? tan-sta-afl > >Berzerk There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch Robert Heinlein, _The Moon is a Harsh Mistress_ (I think) -- Benjamin McLemore analyst(a)onramp.net

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Re: Leaving the Country
by koontzd＠lrcs.loral.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TANSTAAFL There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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Re: Leaving the Country
by merriman＠metronet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > >On Fri, 15 Jul 1994 smb(a)research.att.com wrote: >> TANSTAAFL. >??????????? > >What is this, some comglomerate of 3 federal agencies? tan-sta-afl > >Berzerk > > There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch (The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress, Heinlein) Clearly, a deprived and mis-spent youth...... :-) Dave Merriman Wherever you go in Life - there you are!

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Re: Leaving the Country
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sandy wrote: >>From what Tim alludes to, I still think he is just plain wrong about how >bad things would be on him. He's probably getting bad advice from >practicing lawyers who have a vested interest in having financial privacy >"difficult" to obtain. (More billible hours, more fees.) For the rest >of us who aren't retired zillionaires, though, there is plenty that can >be done. I have read Sandy's and Duncan's posts with great interest. Could one of you perhaps give some concrete examples what a normal person can do to avoid government intrusions such as the national health card, taxes, etc and _get away_ with it? Thanks, -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP public key by finger Please write to clipper.petition(a)cpsr.org and tell them you oppose Clipper.

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Re: Card Playing Protocol?
by jamiel＠sybase.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:44 PM 07/15/94 -0400, Kent Borg wrote: >Comments? Suggestions for a game other than cards that would be >better or more suitable? What about implementing a Multiplayer Game Protocol? That way, you can play cards, checkers, chess, Life(TM), - all those games that used to be really popular circa precolor macintoshes. Have an API for game developers to plug into and let the net.gaming begin. >Is anyone already working on a Card Playing Protocol? Not that I know of, but this is both good and silly enough that I might see if I can find some time. Need to bone back up on real coding... >-kb, the Kent who tries to cause trouble jl, the Jamie who appreciates the subtle. -j -- "Blah Blah Blah" ___________________________________________________________________ Jamie Lawrence <jamiel(a)sybase.com>

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Re: Card Playing Protocol?
by Ben.Goren＠asu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Just so people know: complete protocols for poker can be found in Schneier. All you need is a snazzy GUI. And, with ecash, you can even do all your betting. Nice idea! b& -- Ben.Goren(a)asu.edu, Arizona State University School of Music net.proselytizing (write for info): Protect your privacy; oppose Clipper. Voice concern over proposed Internet pricing schemes. Stamp out spamming. Finger ben(a)tux.music.asu.edu for PGP 2.3a public key.

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Detweiler Abuse Again...
by Matthew Ghio 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It seems our old friend is up to his stupid tricks again. After his drivel began appearing on various newsgroups, I stated logging messages, and found this... >From vkj(a)netcom.com Fri Jul 15 11:20:35 1994 >Received: from TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (tigger.StCloud.MSUS.EDU [134.29.33.14]) >by kaiwan.kaiwan.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP > id LAA12671 for <ghio(a)kaiwan.com>; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 11:20:34 -0700 > *** KAIWAN Internet Access *** >Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 11:20:34 -0700 >From: vkj(a)netcom.com >Message-Id: <199407151820.LAA12671(a)kaiwan.kaiwan.com> >Received: from <netcom6.netcom.com> (netcom4.netcom.com) by > TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 > 13:22:01 CST >To: ghio(a)kaiwan.com >Errors-To: /dev/null >Request-Remailing-To: mail2news(a)demon.co.uk > >## >Subject: ATTENTION: OPERATION `BIG COLLISION' WILL COMMENCE SHORTLY >Organization: CRAM >Newsgroups: alt.current.net-abuse,news.misc,news.admin.policy,alt.politics.datahighway,alt.culture.usenet,alt.culture.internet,alt.censorship,talk.politics.crypto > > >To Whom It May Concern: > >We will shortly be commencing operation Big Collision. During this period you >may experience minor fluctuations and disturbances in multitudinous channels >over the cyberspatial continuum. This will be the first of our larger scale >meme construction, fabrication, and penetration projects. > >We assure you that these operations will help maximize overall communications >efficiency in the Matrix and invigorate and energize the advancement of >unhindered meme propagation within the lower-vibratory realms, as well as to >relieve some tensions by combatting recent degradory eruptions. Emphasis and >urgency will be focused on the most drained and threatened areas. > >Please exercise the utmost caution in your personal meme possession and >conveyance during this period of transition. We apologize in advance for any >inconvenience this may cause. > > \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ | / / / / / / / / / / > _______ ________ _____ _____ _____ > /// \\\ ||| \\\ /// \\\ |||\\\///||| > ||| ~~ ||| /// ||| ||| ||| \\// ||| > ||| __ |||~~~\\\ |||~~~||| ||| ~~ ||| > \\\ /// ||| \\\ ||| ||| ||| ||| > ~~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ > / / / / / / / / / | \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ > >C y b e r s p a t i a l R e a l i t y A d v a n c e m e n t M o v e m e n t Looks like he figured out how to use port 25... And look who wasn't logged in... > % finger vkj(a)netcom.com > [netcom.com] > > V K Jayakumar (vkj) > Home: /u4/vkj > Shell: /bin/csh > No unread mail. > V K Jayakumar (vkj) is not presently logged in. > Last seen at netcom8 on Thu Jul 14 22:09:39 1994 > > > No plan. And detweiler... > % finger tmp(a)netcom.com > [netcom.com] > > (tmp) > Home: /u3/tmp > Shell: /bin/csh > No unread mail. > Last login on ttypc from NETCOM-den2.netc, on Thu Jun 30 17:40:37 1994 > > No plan. Has he really been logged in for 15 days? Please CC me in any responses, as I haven't had much time to keep up with the cypherpunks list lately... :(

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