December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

NYET to censors, REPOST
by nzook＠math.utexas.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For those of you who didn't read it all last time... Copyright 1994, Nathan Zook. All rights reserved. Intelectual copyrights pending. NYET-- Non-Youths Exhibit Temperance. Before I start, it may be informative to consider that I consider myself to be a hard-line member of the Christian Conservative movement, and a hard- line advocate of electronic privacy. I am a PhD candidate in mathematics at the University of Texas of Austin, and I got the Electronic Privacy language added to the 1994 Republican Party of Texas platform. I am a member of Trinty Evangelical Free Church, and am twenty-seven years old. As the Internet community continues to grow, the differences of conviction that exists generally in the world find their way into the community. Some demand that newcomers to the net adapt to the mores of this society. Some demand that the net, as a newcomer to the world, adapt to the outside. As recent events have demonstrated, the less reasonable, on both sides, may be endangering the integrity and availablity of the net. Calls for net censorship, it may be expected, will continue to grow unless the net can find some way to police itself. Yet "police itself" is a term that sends the net into fits. My solution, NYET, is for the appropriate users to directly censor the data that they might legitmately lay claim to censoring--data that flows to minors over which they have legal authority and responsibility. Specifically, this is a plan to create two sorts of accounts to the net-- adult and minor. Adult accounts may only be obtained by persons of age eighteen. Minor accounts may only be obtained as adjuncts to adult accounts, refered to as supervisor accounts. Adult accounts would have full access to anything on the net. News readers, telnet, ftp and like software being operated from a minor account would check a file in the adult account to allow access. Newsreaders, in particular, would censor any posts crossed from a non-allowed account. The control files in the supervisory accounts would default to allow-only mode, but could be selected to deny-only. The legal framework that I see important in aiding such a system is as follows: State Level: 1) Declare to hold harmless those BBS operators for charges of Contributing to the Delinquacy of a Minor that obtain and verify the age of account holders, and maintain a NYET system of access for minors. Certain acceptable verification methods specified, with authority to add methods delegated to a regulatory agency. Emphasis to be on ease and speed of verification. Special consideration for in-house systems. 2) Make it illegal to misrepresent age and name data to a BBS. Require BBS operators to maintain a record of age and name of account holders for thirty days after opening of account for hold harmless agreement, and allowing deletion of said data afterwards. 3) Declare aiding in tampering with NYET system to be "Contributing to the Delequency of a Minor". Federal Level: Pass paralell laws for BBSs operating with local numbers from two or more states, or for BBSs operating with 800 numbers. I believe that such a system would protect the full free expression currently enjoyed by the net, while reaffirming parental responsibility in the upbringing of their children. The burden of controlling access devolves all the way to the parents, making charges against BBS operators patently frivolous. Porno charges would then be MUCH more difficult to press, since a jury could be told that specific steps were being taken to prevent access to minors. If parents complained that they didn't want to go to the trouble of spelling out what their children could access, the response is clear: "Oh, so it's not worth the effort to you?" Despite slurs in this group to the contrary, I believe that the proposed us.* heirarchy may well be the first in a series of attempts to censor the net. Remember, we already have had a censor for TV, movies, and radio. It is not really a question of _if_ but _who_ and at _what level_ will this censoring take place. Nathan (Adjusting flame gear)

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What kind of encryption to incorporate?
by vincie＠blaze.cs.jhu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm finishing up on a stegography(sp?) program that uses GIF and WAV files. It was inspired by Cypherella's Stego program for the Mac. In the program, I incorporate the filename, length, then data to the GIF or WAV file. RIght now, I just use a basic secrey key encryption. It will XOR each data byte with a byte in the password and repeat this. Is there a better way to encrypt the data that is just has easy to code? Sorry if this an FAQ. I couldn't find an FAQ for this group. Michael Ko / ...the chances of getting picked up by another/ The Invincible \ / ship within those thirty seconds are 2 to the / vincie(a)cs.jhu.edu \ \ power of 276709 to one against." - From The \ Computer Science Depart. / \ Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - D. Adams \ Johns Hopkins University/

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Re: The penet compromise
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Responding to msg by lcottrell(a)popmail.ucsd.edu (Lance Cottrell) on Fri, 29 Jul 0:41 AM >My anon ID from this attack is: an118079(a)anon.penet.fi >I will not be using this ID, and will have it revoked >ASAP. Anything from that account is not from me. >Lance Cottrell Ditto for me. False anon ID assigned 29 Jul 94 : an118197(a)anon.penet.fi. I have never used this service. John Young

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anon.penet.fi troubles
by Brian D Williams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Julf, There has been a rash of discussion about unusual messages from your server on cypherpunks recently, I received this one today;

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Re: Tuna fish and spam sandwich
by tim werner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: Fri, 29 Jul 94 15:37:44 +0300 >From: Johan Helsingius <julf(a)penet.fi> > >But the whole current server is getting to be a horrible patchwork. I am >working on a total redesign/rewrite, as well as upgrading the machine and >the connection, to eliminate the delays and allow PGP. But to do all that, >I am going to need sponsors/support. Preliminary discussions started >with a couple of organisations. I will donate to this cause. Will you publish or email me an address where I can send a check? tw

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Re: Just say NYET to kneejerking
by jdd＠aiki.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In message <9407291348.AA04027(a)snark.imsi.com> perry(a)imsi.com writes: > > Graham Toal says: > > I must admit that I'm disappointed. I figured that I would > > take some hits, but for people to only scan a post before reaching > > for the lighter... > > > > Don't be such a condescending shit. We read your post clearly enough, > > thank you very much. Typical control-freak crap. If you want your > > little xtian kids to be namby-pamby'd on the net, > > I believe Graham is being rather rude. > Agreed. You may love sailing and decide to live near a busy harbor. But if you have children, you will probably want low fences between them and the water. When they get older and have better judgement and motor control, they will also be able to step over the low fence. This is the way that most human beings handle their children, with restrictions that disappear gradually as the children grow up. The Internet is a wild and exciting place. You want your children to get to know it. But you would also like a way to build little fences between them and some things that they are just too young to deal with. How do you do it? -- +-----------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ | Jim Dixon<jdd(a)aiki.demon.co.uk> | Compuserve: 100114,1027 | |AIKI Parallel Systems Ltd + parallel processing hardware & software design| | voice +44 272 291 316 | fax +44 272 272 015 | +-----------------------------------+--------------------------------------+

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Re: anon.penet.fi troubles
by sidney＠taurus.apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Brian D Williams <talon57(a)well.sf.ca.us> wrote (in e-mail to this list, not to Julf, by the way): >There has been a rash of discussion about unusual messages from >your server on cypherpunks recently, I received this one today; [...] >X-Envelope-To: an111447 Checking the subscriber list, I see that an111447(a)anon.penet.fi is subscribed to cypherpunks. It is near the end of the list returned by Majordomo. Does that mean it was recently added? This has happened before. If someone uses anonymized mail to subscribe to this list, then all mail which anybody sends here is going to be sent to the anonymized address. Anyone who has an id on anon.penet.fi who has not set up a password and has sent mail to a mailing list such as this one that has an anonymous subscriber has revealed their identity to that subscriber if they included their sig in their message. Anyone who did not have an id who sends a message to this list will end up being assigned one. I thought that somebody did something the last time this happened to fix the problem, at least regarding the cypherpunks list. Or was that just before one of the mailing list crashes, so the problem went away by itself until this person recently subscribed? Does it seem to much of a coincidence that an111447 subscribed at the same time that the alt.test tunafish spam appeared? -- sidney <sidney(a)apple.com>

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Re: Just say NYET to kneejerking
by gtoal＠an-teallach.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I believe Graham is being rather rude. Deliberately so. I would hate to cause offense by accident. G

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Re: NYET to censors, REPOST
by gtoal＠an-teallach.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

: From: nzook(a)fireant.ma.utexas.edu : Specifically, this is a plan to create two sorts of accounts to the net-- : adult and minor. Adult accounts may only be obtained by persons of age : The legal framework that I see important in aiding such a system is as : State Level: : acceptable verification methods specified, with authority to add methods : delegated to a regulatory agency. Emphasis to be on ease and speed of : 2) Make it illegal to misrepresent age and name data to a BBS. Require : BBS operators to maintain a record of age and name of account holders for : 3) Declare aiding in tampering with NYET system to be "Contributing to the : Delequency of a Minor". : Federal Level: : Pass paralell laws for BBSs operating with local numbers from two or : more states, or for BBSs operating with 800 numbers. I see a lot of call here for legislation and government control. Keep your fucking religion out of my face, Zook. If you want censored-kiddynet, create your own one privately out of funds donated by Good Christians, but take your state control and stuff it where ypu stuff your crucifix. G

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Anonymous message failed (wrong password)
by daemon＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The message you sent to the anonymous server could not be processed, as your password (in the X-Anon-Password: header) didn't match the one stored in the server. Either you have made a mistake, or somebody has used your account and changed the password. If the latter is the case, please contact admin(a)anon.penet.fi. Contents of failed message: ------------------------- X-Envelope-To: an111447 Received: from relay2.UU.NET by anon.penet.fi (5.67/1.35) id AA20854; Thu, 28 Jul 94 22:44:56 +0300 Received: from toad.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxanv11527; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 15:47:30 -0400 Received: by toad.com id AA20384; Thu, 28 Jul 94 12:00:25 PDT Received: from well.sf.ca.us by toad.com id AA20148; Thu, 28 Jul 94 11:59:05 PDT Received: (from talon57@localhost) by well.sf.ca.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA16258 for cypherpunks(a)toad.com; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 11:53:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 1994 11:53:34 -0700 From: Brian D Williams <talon57(a)well.sf.ca.us> Message-Id: <199407281853.LAA16258(a)well.sf.ca.us> To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: "Just say NYET to NYET" Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk The message in question was sent by me to cypherpunks(a)toad.com from my account at talon57(a)well.sf.ca.us and nowhere else. It looks as if someone is redirecting mail improperly. Brian Williams Extropian Cypherpatriot "Cryptocosmology: Sufficently advanced communication is indistinguishable from noise." --Steve Witham "Have you ever had your phones tapped by the government? YOU WILL and the company that'll bring it to you.... AT&T" --James Speth

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