December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: CIA & FBI, a marriage made in ___?
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Black Unicorn (from an earlier post) In so far as the law is a matter of perspective, I think everyone should try to embrace the concepts of the law, and in particular, the constitution. (from the above named post) Yes, I'm tired of the issue [of the political aspects of crypto] being framed as a crime problem that needs political attention through law enforcement when in actuality it is a question of regulation and domestic policy. ...................................................... I'm not seeing the consistency in embracing the concepts of the law, while questioning the regulation of crypto through law enforcement. It all rather looks the same to me: political attention-> law enforcement-> regulation-> domestic policy. ?? Blanc

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Re: Paranoia
by Phil G. Fraering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I personally can't think of any reason for an elite fighting force to >be stationed in an area of urban sprawl. Uh, last time I checked, the most recent two conflicts the U.S. may be getting involved in or got involved in were in Mogudishu and in urban areas in the former Yugoslavia. Not to mention the urban environment of Seoul. Whether you're a hawk or a dove, the fact is, the US has been, might be, or just plain is (if there's a war in Korea) committed to conflicts where there's going to be combat in an urban or "suburban" area. You might debate the wisdom of our overseas commitments, etc., but if you think we should have an army that should have as its hope of survival the idea that the enemy will always be fighting in rural areas, you're foolish in the extreme, and if you implement those ideas you will kill a great many of your own army. Phil

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May 4 Crypto Talk...
by lile＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I thought you might be interested. It would be great if some folks from this list could show. -lile *************** Please Circulate Freely *************** You're Invited to Our Next General Meeting! Admission Free/Open to the Public Wednesday, May 4, 1994, 7:30 P.M. First Presbyterian Church 1140 Cowper Street, Palo Alto (3 Blocks North of Embarcadero -- See Map on Back) Wire Taps and Cryptography in Your Future with Nelson Bolyard Everyone is talking about the Clipper Chip, and lots of people are wondering about the FBI's digital telephony initiative. This talk will discuss both of those things and provide some historical perspective on the battle between Congress and the Administration over control of standards for civilian cryptography, and CPSR's role in that debate. Nelson Bolyard is an engineer for a major computer manufacturer in the Silicon Valley. He has background in cryptography and highly secure systems, and is presently working in high-speed networking. Sponsored By: Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility CPSR\Palo Alto: P.O. Box 717, Palo Alto, CA 94302

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Re: RSA-129
by lefty＠apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Istvan Oszaraz von Keszi writes: > >Now let's see, where's my slide rule, let's see 5,000 mips years >at $30,000 /mips = damn, where is that calculator. :-) $30,000 per mips!? Want to buy a (slightly) used Quadra 700? -- Lefty (lefty(a)apple.com) C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.

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Re: PGP Question
by Istvan Oszaraz von Keszi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Derek Atkins wrote: > This is a joke, right? Gee, either that or the Towers of Hanoi. O.K., quick now off the top of my head. Make a key. Make an ultimately trusted key for each of your employees. Have employees make their key. Sign each of the employees keys with your ultimately trusted key for employee. Fire all of your employees. Worry about someone thinking that said employee is still an employee, revoke ultimately trusted key for employee. Yes, a key management problem, but maybe someone could write some code . . . (You know, I much prefer multiple guess.)

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Re: spooks on cypherpunks
by rustman＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: nobody(a)jarthur.cs.hmc.edu > Date: Thu Apr 28 00:36:57 PDT 1994 > > NetSurfer <jdwilson(a)gold.chem.hawaii.edu> > Robert Mathews <mathews(a)gold.chem.hawaii.edu> > > be aware You know, spooks need strong Crypto, too. I think you're making the assumption that the only reason a spook is here is to infiltrate us and do us harm. I bet it is quite the opposite. What is the best way to stay hidden and secure? Use strong crypto that can be found almost anywhere (like PGP). Strong crypto that doesn't scream goverment or worse. Blend in with the rest fo the crypto traffic. Spooks get *caught* by doing things that are out of the ordinary. Spooks stay in business by not standing out and disappearing in the crowds. It probably sounds silly, but there are probably more or at least as many spooks who *like* what we're doing than those who oppose it. Rusty Hodge, Cyberbeticist, Resident Futurist. <rustman(a)netcom.com>

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Re: spooks on cypherpunks
by joshua geller 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>It probably sounds silly, but there are probably more or at least as many >spooks who *like* what we're doing than those who oppose it. I have a childhood friend who grew up to be a new york city cop. we used to smoke mega drugs together. I met him at my brothers wedding and asked him about his vocational choice, it seemed strange. he said 'there are 20,000 new york city cops. every kind of person you can imagine is a new york city cop'. all generalizations are false. josh

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Random #'s via CD-ROM?
by grendel＠netaxs.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello cypherpunks (first post): In the hopes of starting an cryptograpy-related thread... I have been reading the section in _Applied Cryptography_ about random number generators, and some proposed hardware random number generators. It seems to me that with the CD-ROM drive becoming increasingly common these days, this could be exploited as a source of randomness. For example: [1] Read a pseudo-random section from the CD-ROM. Unless you catch the blank end of a sector, you should obtain random data (this is one obvious problem with this method). [2] Read a pseudo-random section from the CD-ROM, and use this data to select another chunk of data from the CD-ROM (more random, yet we still have a problem if we read the blank end of a sector...). The two above ideas are okay, but they both suffer from the same problem, namely if you read the unused portions of the cluster you will get a random sample of all 0's. Not good. The idea that really interests me is this: Place an *audio* CD in the CD-ROM drive. Most CD-ROM drives know about audio discs now, and I believe they can be made to read the binary waveform data even if they don't understand the Red Book audio format. If you have something really random/discordant (Ministry / NIN / Curve / Sonic Youth / Pain Teens / Diamanda Galas / Coil / etc) and you take samples of the waveform and play with them as described in _AC_, you could get some pretty random samples. Of course, care must be taken to only read within the portions of the CD/CD-ROM that have actually been encoded.... What do you all think? I have code to work with CD-ROM drives, works on my system and a friend's CD-ROM drive as well (for DOS machines). I don't know about Mac / UNIX CD-ROM drive programming, sorry. =( I welcome all comments, criticisms, flames, love letters, etc. Post if there's wide enough appeal, or just email me. [ I am also taking suggestions for random / discordant / loud music to use with this method. Please email me, don't post, as I'm sure the rest of the list would dislike us discussing that in public ] -- ========================================================================== | Michael Brandt Handler | <grendel(a)netaxs.com> | Philadelphia, PA | ==========================================================================

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Phil Z in the WSJ
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Get today's Wall Street Journal. Phil and PGP are profiled in the left hand "profile" column on page 1. Usual crypto errors. "PGP is more unbreakable than any code in history." They spelled our name wrong too. It's "cypherpunks" not cipherpunks. DCF

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Some Other Friends of Mine
by Jeff Davis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Some other friends of mine I've been involved with since their inception. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WHAT'S NEW . . . The following article was published recently in GLOSAS NEWS. We've had a few folks request this information and thought that others (and particularly new subscribers) might find the information in this article of interest so we are republishing this in today's issue of the Digest. GLOSAS News is the electronic bulletin of the GLObal Systems Analysis and Simulation Association in the USA (GLOSAS/USA). It is distributed free of charge by fax and electronic mail. *************************************************************************** WWW: "Friends and Partners" *************************************************************************** From Russia and America comes a new information service called "Friends and Partners" -- one of the first such information systems jointly developed by citizens of these two nations. Its purpose is to help facilitate the creation of a "human network" across cultural and political boundaries by utilizing resources of the increasingly global Internet computer network. A special emphasis is placed on building relationships between people of the United States and people of the former Soviet Union -- countries and cultures isolated from each other for most of the 20th century. This new service was 'born' with an announcement on the Internet on Wednesday, January 19, 1994. It is only 3 months old but growing up rather quickly. With almost 700 regular subscribers to its daily mailing list service and over 90,000 file retrievals from people representing over 40 countries, it has become a quite active service. But it is best considered for the moment as a very new and immature creation -- a 'framework' for an information system with more 'heart' than substance -- but with lots of promise. The task at hand is to help others build upon the framework -- to create and link together information on our nation's histories; our art, music, literature, and religion; our educational and scientific resources; our business and economic opportunities; our geography and natural resources, our languages; and our opportunities for communicating, travelling, and working together. The 'end product' should be an evolving and continually changing information resource that will hopefully help bridge the gulf of understanding that exists between our nations and that will provide a common 'meeting place'. What are the practical uses of this service? Scientists should be able to use the service to find information about funding opportunities and exchange programs, access various databases and library resources, and locate potential colleagues and co-workers. Teachers and educators at all levels should be able to find and contribute interesting and up-to-date material to assist in their instruction -- making their courses more 'alive' and more pertinent to real world issues. Business people should be able to learn about the economic environments and opportunities in both countries as well as the rules and laws pertaining to conducting business. Artists (and their patrons) should be able to learn about, meet and work with each other. This effort hopes to build upon the excellent work already being accomplished by our governments and by the various groups, centers, institutes and individuals who have been working for so many years towards the same goal of building cooperation and friendship. Perhaps the main difference from other efforts is the use of the World Wide Web on the Internet as the method of communicating information. The World Wide Web was chosen because of its ability to handle mixed media (text, graphics, audio, and, someday soon, video), the excellent graphic and non-graphic browsers available for free on the Internet, and its ability to 'integrate' information from all of the best Internet-based tools and utilities -- Usenet news, Gophers, WAIS indexes, FTP archives, telnet sessions, etc. The Friends and Partners server already makes use of some of the multi-media capabilities -- with several graphic images and maps available for display and at least one example of music which can be played by computers connected to the Internet (much more digitized music will be available soon). The service currently consists of several primary 'sections' including: (1) History ; (2) Geography; (3) Art and music; (4) Literature; (5) Language; (6) Related Internet Resources; (7) Education; (8) Science; (9) Funding and Exchange Opportunities; (10) Economics and Business; (11) Tourism and Travel; (12) "Life" (includes health and medical issues, cuisine, etc.); (13) News and Weather; (14) USA Demographics; (15) Russia Demographics. These sections point to information all over the world. This 'hypertext' capability makes it very simple for the user to access information globally but from a single, easy-to-use environment. While we hope that, over the coming weeks and months, all of these areas will be developed by those with appropriate interest, there are several areas on which we are currently focusing attention. These include: (1) development of a computer searchable "annotated white pages" directory which will focus on people and organizations within the Former Soviet Union and on people and organizations elsewhere who are working or wish to work in this area. We are hoping to work with the IREX organization on this and have just recently received approval by the Citizen's Democracy Corps (CDC) to place their NIS email directory on-line; (2) creation of a vast collection of information resources dealing with business and economics -- including material to help business-people in the FSU create and manage successful business enterprise and to help others who wish to conduct business in the FSU; (3) further development of a top-notch news service; (4) development of a comprehensive base of funding opportunity information; (5) development of a medical / health issues forum; (6) creation of a network for the exchange of research and education information. Our primary development emphasis during the time since the server was announced has been to collect ideas and correspond with the many people who have offered to help with this effort. The outpouring of support from around the world has been quite remarkable and most encouraging. The project demonstrates the potential for good that exists with this wonderfully chaotic, global resource we call the Internet -- which makes possible and simple the communication of information anywhere within its vast reach throughout our world. This information resource is at least as significant a development as the printing press was several centures ago -- the creation of global 'virtual communities' will undoubtedly prove to be one of the most significant events of human history. It has been asked "why do this?". The authors had a discussion several months ago about experiences growing up in the 1960s, about fears both had regarding the potential both countries had to destroy each other, and about how effectively our nations had planned and allocated resources to help create weapons of destruction that could realistically eliminate life in our world. Given the immensity of this effort and the success with which it was carried out, we both agreed (perhaps naively) to help focus attention on the enormous good our nations could do if they applied even a fraction of the resources to more constructive work together. We feel that creating a joint information service could be a useful aid in furthering the often invisible but very real infrastructure which supports cooperative and constructive endeavor. To visit the WWW server using the Mosaic software, use the URL: http://solar.rtd.utk.edu/friends/home.html . If you cannot use Mosaic, just telnet to solar.rtd.utk.edu and enter 'friends' at the login: prompt (in all lowercase and without the quotes). To join the listserv with which we post email and notices of new developments on the server, just send a one line e-mail message to listproc(a)solar.rtd.utk.edu consisting of: SUBSCRIBE FRIENDS firstname lastname We are 'rank amateurs' -- currently unfunded, untrained in political theory or economics. But both authors are experienced with the collection and dissemination of information and the construction of tools to enable more effective use of information. With the active participation and assistance of others, we believe we can further the cooperative infrastructure that already exists between our nations. This is our hope and our ambition for this effort. Natasha Bulashova, Pushchino, Russia Email: natasha(a)ibpm.serpukhov.su Greg Cole, Research Services, The University of Tennessee 211 Hoskins Library, Knoxville, TN 37996 Phone: (615) 974-2908; Fax: (615) 974-6508 Email: gcole(a)solar.rtd.utk.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- PGP PUBLIC KEY via finger! JAFEFFM Speaking & Thinking For Myself! * eagle(a)deeptht.armory.com email info(a)eff.org * *** O U T L A W S On The E L E C T R O N I C F R O N T I E R **** ***** Committed to Free Public Internet Access for World Peace *****

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