December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: EFF gun-shy of legally employing PGP
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous is alleged to have said: > : > Yes, but the point of the reply, is that PGP signatures SHOULD > : > be used by sysops. > : Hmmm... why PGP, as opposed to the FIPS Digital Signature Standard? > Yes, you can use the DSS (unless it is given away to PK partners, that is). No, you can't use the DSS. The reason NIST was getting into confusion about whether they have to give it to PKP is that PKP says that it infringes on Schnorr's patent, which they recently bought up; assuming that's true technically (I haven't looked in a while), this means you need a license from PKP to use DSS. Unlike RSA, which the government has some rights to use because it partially funded their work, even the government doesn't have rights over Schnorr's work, since they didn't fund it, so the NIST is in deeper yogurt with DSS than with RSa signatures. You can still use DSS for research and the usual things you can use patents for without a license, but you can do the same with PGP. RIPEM can be used free non-commercially in the US+Canada under the RSAREF license terms, and RIPEM-SIG can even be exported. (Now all we need to do is find a way to get RIPEM-SIG to do key exchange and message encryption as well as signatures and patch it into PGP :-) (presumed not possible...) Bill

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No Subject
by bbrown＠coos.dartmouth.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ok, I saw a blurb on the new about the the senate debating Clipper. The basics were stated. 1) The FBI wanted phone companies to be forced to comply. 2) Privacy advocates said it would be an invasion. Then they showed clips of terrorists and kidnappers who had been caught thanks to wiretapping. On the subject of home privacy. I am attempting to build a laser bug. The type that one bounces of a window. Does anyone know of the technology involved in such a project? I already have acess to a laser, but it is the photocell that I need more infomation on. Anyone? Artimage.

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Administrivia: Questions about the List
by tcmay＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cypherdenizens, Sorry to bother the List, but two things have come up that I need some feedback on. Two items: 1. Is the list sending out messages in a defective (slow) way, or is my service (Netcom) bouncing a lot of mail, thus causing these delays as toad attempts resends? 2. I'm getting a lot of error messages from Julf's site, saying my messages cannot be delivered to "an2757938" and the like. This used to be a problem, but was fixed by Eric Hughes a year or so ago. It appears to be back again. Are others seeing this, too? First, I seem to be having delays in Cypherpunks mail of about 1-2 days on about 5-10% of all messages. This shows up as me not seeing messages others are already responding to (because 90-95% of all messages are getting to me in the usual prompt way). I especially notice this, of course, with my own messages. (I can't test whether other mail is being delayed, because I'm no longer on Extropians and so Cypherpunks accounts for 95% of all my mail.) For example, the item on video surveillance cameras, forwarded from alt.conspiracy, did not not reach me until a day after others had already posted public responses. And just today I got a 5-day old message (Steve Bellovin's "Re: Clipper Cracks Appear"). The message I posted today about "Shout it to the world: Clipper is Compromised!" has still not appeared at my site, although some others have already responded to me about it (ironically, Steve Bellovin did). My question is this: Is this just _me_ (and possibly Netcom), or are others seeing these delays? My suspicion has been that Netcom is bouncing mail, because of recent overloading and NFS problems, reports from other about their mail being delayed (usually this implies a bounce and resend), and from the lack of other messages here complaining about delayed messages. Could Hugh Daniel, if he is reading this, or Eric Hughes, or anyone else who has access to the list at toad.com give me some hint as to whether I should beat on Netcom some more? Could other Netcommers here, of which there may be as many as 50, tell me what experiences they've had? The second item is also an administrivia issue: I'm getting dozens of error messages from daemon(a)penet.finland.etc. or somesuch (I can't look right now at the precise address) telling me my mail cannot be delivered, will not be delivered, is being returned, etc. It looks like the old blocks Eric had installed to prevent Julf's system from doing this are no longer working. (There may be more accurate explanations....) Anyone else seeing this? Anything we can do? Does the new automated subscription software (majordomo?) have anything to do with this? If people send me comments, I'll summarize--unless someone really knows the Big Picture and wants to just summarize it all here. Thanks, --Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: FWD: RIPEM/SIG - Worldwide Digital Signature Software
by mdbomber＠w6yx.stanford.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>-----BEGIN PRIVACY-ENHANCED MESSAGE----- >Proc-Type: 2001,MIC-CLEAR >Content-Domain: RFC822 >Originator-Name: jim(a)chirality.rsa.com >Originator-Certificate: > MIIB0TCCAXoCECnMhIY+nEfjCOoQ6zRCtbAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQECBQAwbTELMAkG > A1UEBhMCVVMxIDAeBgNVBAoTF1JTQSBEYXRhIFNlY3VyaXR5LCBJbmMuMRwwGgYD > [...] signed PEM message I tried turning RIPEM Mac loose on this message and it complains about a garbled Originator Certificate, then complains that it does not appear to be a PEM/RIPEM message. Did anyone else get this to work? Internet: mdbomber(a)w6yx.stanford.edu Matt Bartley GPS: 33 49' xx'' 117 48' xx'' (xx due to SA :-)

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Note from EDUPAGE
by Alan (Miburi-san) Wexelblat 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CALL FORWARD FOR CRIME Criminals have discovered that by forwarding their calls, they can evade wiretaps placed on their home lines. "Criminals can go to any phone, call the `intelligent network' and route calls anywhere," says an FBI special agent. The FBI estimates that 25% of all wiretaps "are adversely affected" by this telephone hide-and-seek. (Wall Street Journal 3/18/94 A5A) [Wex notes: this seems relevant to the ongoing fight over the FBI wiretap proposal; I wonder if they're laying the public groundwork for supporing their proposal to get call-setup information. I also wonder if it would do them a damn bit of good. If I call a number which I know has previously been forwarded to a different number, is the eventual target # part of the call-setup info?]

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ANNOUNCE: EXI Idea Forum this Sunday
by jpp＠markv.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The EXI Idea Forum is a series of informal get togethers where Extropians, and people interested in Extropianism, discuss interesting issues. This Idea Forum will concern Cryptography, Cypherpunks, and the Clipper chip. You are invited to attend. Here are the directions: The EXI Idea Form will be held at my new lodgings in Pacoima this Sunday 1994 March 20. The meeting will officialy start at 1600. Feel free to bring your favorite (non-alcoholic, yet legal) drinks, foods, nutrients, etc. I hope the directions below help you get to our location. If you need extra help for any reason, call (818) 768 9255 first, or (818) 767 5576 if you get no answer. (Sorry, if you are comming from the north, you will have to improvise a little) ------------------------------------------------------------ >From the west side of LA: North 405 == San Diego Fwy over the hill, into the valley, way past the 101, but just before the 118, take the Nordhoff exit, at the bottom of the ramp go East == Right Nordhoff until it T's into Osborne, go N-E == Left Osborne past two lights, Canterbury, and Beachy, S-E == Right Arleta past two traffic lights, Branford, and then Wentworth which has a killer dip, then at the first street on the left, N-E == Left Tonopah past the alley on the left, at the first street to the left, N-W == Left Lev to the end, the house is on the left side at about 10 o'clock were the street entering the court at 6 o'clock S-W == Left 8941 Lev ------------------------------------------------------------ >From the center of the city: North 101 == Hollywood Fwy over the hill, into the valley, North 170 == Hollywood Fwy just befor the end, where 170 merges with 5, right at the end of the ramp, S-W == Right Sheldon under the 170 Fwy, and then immediately N-W == Right Arleta past the first right which is the 170 South onramp, and at the first street on the right, N-E == Right Tonopah past the alley on the left, at the first street to the left, N-W == Left Lev to the end, the house is on the left side at about 10 o'clock were the street entering the court at 6 o'clock S-W == Left 8941 Lev ------------------------------------------------------------ >From the east side of LA: North 5 == Golden State Fwy over the hill, into the valley, just after the 170 merges into the 5, take the Sheldon exit, turn right and you will be on Laurel Canyon Blvd, S-E == Right Laurel Canyon Blvd (Sheldon Exit) follow the sign and turn right onto Sheldon S-W == Right Sheldon for about a mile, under the 170 Fwy, and then immediately, N-W == Right Arleta past the 170 South entrance to the right, at the first street on the right, N-E == Right Tonopah past the alley on the left, at the first street to the left, N-W == Left Lev to the end, the house is on the left side at about 10 o'clock were the street entering the court at 6 o'clock S-W == Left 8941 Lev j' -- O I am Jay Prime Positive jpp(a)markv.com 1250 bit fingerprint B06229 = B8 95 E0 AF 9A A2 CD A5 89 C9 F0 FE B4 3A 2C 3F 524 bit fingerprint 2A915D = 8A 7C B9 F2 D5 46 4D ED 66 23 F1 71 DE FF 51 48 Public keys via `finger jpp(a)markv.com', or via email to pgp-public-keys(a)io.com Your feedback is welcome directly or via my symbol JPP on hex(a)sea.east.sun.com Resist the Clipper Chip, write "I oppose Clipper" to Clipper.petition(a)cpsr.org

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Internet Security Hearing
by bart＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded by Gleason Sackman - InterNIC net-happenings moderator ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() ---------- Text of forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 17:42:43 -0700 From: richard bryant <rbryant(a)HYDRA.UNM.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list COMMUNET <COMMUNET(a)uvmvm.bitnet> Subject: SS&T Special Notice Re: Internet Security (fwd) According to SSTPRESS: >From SSTPRESS(a)HR.HOUSE.GOV Thu Mar 17 16:21:07 1994 Date: 17 Mar 1994 18:15:18 EST From: "SSTPRESS" <SSTPRESS(a)HR.HOUSE.GOV> Subject: SS&T Special Notice SS&T|NEWS COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE, SPACE AND TECHNOLOGY U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 2320 RAYBURN HOUSE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON, D.C. 20515 March 17, 1994 Special Notice Because of considerable advance interest in next Tuesday's hearing on Internet security, we are taking the liberty of including a witness list for the hearing with this week's calendar mailing. The hearing will take place beginning at 9:30 a.m. in 2318 Rayburn on Tuesday, March 22, and will be chaired by Rep. Rick Boucher (D-VA). The Subcommittee's interest in the issue arises in part because the Internet is a prime method of communication between researchers in academia and industry. It is also a major means of communication for federal researchers at agencies under the Subcommittee's jurisdiction. Recent break-ins on the Internet prompted the federal Computer Emergency Response Team to issue a special alert to Internet users on February 3, and suggest that the system may be more vulnerable than generally acknowledged to deliberate destruction or alteration of computer files. The hearing will evaluate the status of security on the Internet today and will examine measures currently available to enhance security, assess the effectiveness and degree of implementation of such measures, and identify obstacles to enhancing Internet security. A background memo prepared for Members by the Subcommittee is available from the Committee press office by fax (202/225-8280) or email (sstpress(a)hr.house.gov) Broadcast reporters who plan to attend the hearing should register with the House Radio and Television Gallery, and can call the Committee press secretary (202-225-3359) for logistical information and early access to the hearing room. # # # For further information: Rick Borchelt, 202/225-3359 (fax 202/225-8280) (email "sstpress(a)hr.house.gov") ______________________________ George E. Brown, Jr. Chairman Robert S. Walker Ranking Republican Member SUBCOMMITTEE ON SCIENCE Hearing on Internet Security March 22, 1994 9:30 a.m. - 2318 Rayburn House Office Building Tentative Witness List Mr. L. Dain Gary, Manager Computer Emergency Response Team Operations (CERT) Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania (CERT is one of the coalition of response teams that form the Forum of Incident Response and Security Teams, or FIRST) Mr. Thomas T. Kubic Chief, Financial Crimes Section Federal Bureau of Investigation Washington, DC Dr. Vinton G. Cerf, President Internet Society Reston, Virginia (Senior VP of Data Architecture, MCI) Mr. Lynn McNulty Associate Director for Computer Security Computer Systems Laboratory National Institute of Standards and Technology Gaithersburg, Maryland (NIST is the secretariat for FIRST) Dr. Stephen D. Crocker, Vice President Trusted Information Systems Glenwood, Maryland (Chair, Privacy and Security Research Group, Internet Research Task Force)

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Fw: Public Interest Summit Organizing Kit
by Pat Farrell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sounds to me that these guys don't want to hear from inside the Beltway folks like me. How about some of the left coast folk? ------------------------------ From: Richard Civille <rciville(a)civicnet.org> Fri, 18 Mar 1994 21:07:24 -0500 (EST) Cc: ace-mg(a)esusda.gov, alt-politics-datahighway(a)eff.org, bluemt(a)cni.org, com-priv(a)psi.com, communet(a)uvmvm.uvm.edu, ednet(a)mr.net, libnet(a)mr.net, net-people(a)nic.state.mn.us, nii-regional(a)rain.org, nii-summit(a)cni.org, nii_agenda(a)civicnet.org, publib(a)nysernet.org, pubpol-l(a)vm1.spcs.umn.edu, roundtable(a)cni.org, ruralnet(a)gibbs.oit.unc.edu, telecomreg(a)relay.adp.wisc.edu, board(a)cap.gwu.edu Subject: Public Interest Summit Organizing Kit Shaping the National Information Infrastructure Public Interest Summit -- ORGANIZING KIT -- NOTE: Use this electronic mail address for contact: <summit(a)tmn.com> Your participation is essential to making the Summit responsive and effective. We are sending you the enclosed "kit" of questions, organizing suggestions, and formats for sending your discussion materials back to us. This is a call for you and your organization or group to discuss the information highway issues -- as YOU see them. Send back your replies for lead ins to the panel discussions, and as questions and concerns for panelists and Administration officials to consider -- as soon as you can. Please use the questions listed below to help organize your discussion group. It is important to hear as many voices across the Nets as possible, as soon as possible. However, it is even more important for us to use the Net to go beyond the Net. We hope the following ideas will be helpful in organizing discussion groups in classrooms, in church, at work, at home; in service organizations, and activist groups; for radio call-in talk shows, local cablecast panel discussions and anywhere where people meet to talk about what is important to them. We must move very quickly to make this work and we need you. Remember, we are talking about beginning a wave of change this week, that will grow in power and momentum beyond the Summit and into the Spring and beyond. -- Registration -- Register with us to become an organizer/moderator of a discussion group (either on-line or off-line). Send e-mail to <summit(a)tmn.com> with "register" as the subject line and a brief description of your project and group. If you cannot email, see the alternative contact points below. We will work for broad discussions among the online communities but we believe that it is ultimately the "real world" that will make the difference here, not simply Cyberspace. We encourage you to organize off-line discussion groups and send us the summaries using the questions and formats given below. -- Video Opportunities -- This is a media event. We are also searching for good, brief, video shots. Do you have good local public media contacts? Do you know of good video opportunities -- important new voices that should be heard, projects in your community using information technologies for good public benefit that should be recognized? Tell us about them as soon as you can. Send your ideas to us at <summit(a)tmn.com>. We are prepared to work very quickly with local public television and cable access groups, who can tape and Fedex the tape to us for inclusion in the program. Video shots must be a maximum one minute in length. We must have all tape submissions received no later than Friday, March 25th and earlier if possible. -- Questions for Discussion Groups -- 1. What is important to your group? 2.What does your group want in terms of connectivity to the NII? 3. What does your group want not to happen with the NII? 4. What special requirements do you have that might be missed in the national planning for the NII which is taking place now in Washington, DC? 5. What would you be able to do with the NII, that you would not otherwise, if you did not have to worry about the cost of access? 6. What one key question would you want the Administration to give you an explicit answer to about the NII? 7. How can you describe the positions your state and federal representatives are presently taking on your concerns about the NII? -- More Ideas -- You might consider several scenarios such as these for your discussion group. Make up your own! * Print this notice and take it to your group (church, class, work place lunch, family) for discussion, summarize the results, and send them to us. * Use the questions for a discussion item in your local community or civic network and report back with summaries of key points. Direct, attributed quotes are very helpful. Pose questions directed to specific panelists or to specific issues. Organize a local press conference. * Help increase the spread of the dialog by taking these questions to people and groups well beyond your own networks of friends and acquaintances, whether online or offline. Fax this Notice all over town. Photocopy fliers and distribute. Get these materials into the hands of those who are not members of online systems. -- Contacts, Format and Deadlines -- Please e-mail results of discussions back to the Public Interest Summit to <summit(a)tmn.com>. Include: - Your name - Name of online community, community/civic network or organization - Describe the process you used for your discussion (was it a working lunch, a bridge club, a call-in talk show, who moderated, how was it organized, etc.) - e-mail address of contact person, or phone if email is not available Please provide a summary, and several vivid highlights, and direct quotes that can be attributed to real people. No more than two pages or 4k. Please e-mail group discussion summaries by Sunday, March 27 at the latest. Videos must be received by the 25th and not be longer than one minute in length. The earlier the better, there is a great deal of pre-production work to be done. Things earlier will be summarized and posted to gopher servers under the menu heading: "Public Interest Telecommunication Summit" including new questions as they arise. If you cannot email you can contact the Summit production team through: The Benton Foundation 202-638-5770 (voice) 202-638-5771 (fax) Pat Farrell Grad Student pfarrell(a)gmu.edu Department of Computer Science George Mason University, Fairfax, VA Public key availble via finger #include <standard.disclaimer>

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Re: FOIA text
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jdblair(a)nextsrv.cas.muohio.EDU: > Does anyone know an ftp site where I can find the full text of the > Freedom of Information Act? ftp: ftp.eff.org/pub/EFF/Policy/Access_govt_info/FOIA/us_foia_act.txt other articles, acts, cases in the same directory. ftp.eff.org is full of information, articles etc of interest to cypherpunks, particularly in the Policy directory. Most of the material I'm putting into a hypertext WWW guide to cpunks is from there. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "What is civilisation rishab(a)doe.ernet.in, rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in but a ribonucleic Voicemail +91 11 3760335; Vox/Fax/Data 6853410 hangover?" H-34C Saket New Delhi 110017 INDIA --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: A Certain Monk at a certain village in Hanoi I thought I'd share this with you: -----------CUT HERE------------- program Hanoi(input,output); type Pegnumber = 1..3; var N: integer; Procedure WriteMoves (N: integer; Peg1, Peg2, Peg3: PegNumber); begin {Moves} if N=1 then writeln('Move a ring from ', Peg1:1, ' to ', Peg2:1) else begin {else} WriteMoves(N-1, Peg1, Peg3, Peg2); writeln('Move a ring from ', Peg 1:1, ' to ', Peg2:1); WriteMoves(N-1, Peg3, Peg2, Peg1) end {else} end; {Moves} begin {Program} writeln{'Enter the number of rings and'); writeln('I''ll explain how to play Towers of Hanoi.'); readln(N); writeln (' To move ', M,' rings'); writeln (' from peg 1 to peg 2 proceed as follows:'); WriteMoves(N, 1, 2, 3); writeln (' That does it.') end. {Program} ------------AND HERE----------- I've used it on 64 rings, and it works fine. Of course this runs slowly and does tend to use a lot of storage. The stack really grows too large. I'm hoping that it may be possible to use this type of call with some bandwidth growth to help defeat analysis. "Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?" "That depends a good deal on where you want to get to." said the Cat. --Lewis Carroll

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