December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

I'd like to partially correct that..
by Matt Thomlinson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I did dredge up what appears to be the magic money DOS version at csn.org. Nothing having to do with magic money resides on ftp.netcom.com. For all of those that could like it, check out csn.org:/pub/mpj/I_will_not_export/crypto_?????/pgp_tools and pick up the files mentioned before: mgmny10e.zip and pgptl10d.zip. mt Matt Thomlinson University of Washington, Seattle, Washington. phone: (206) 548-9804 Check my home page -- ftp://ftp.u.washington.edu/public/phantom/home.html PGP 2.2 key available via email, or finger phantom(a)hardy.u.washington.edu

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Re: Digital Cash
by rah＠TIAC.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Robert Hettinga, Shipwright Development Corp. said: >> Is it possible to see instantaneous settlement happen in the financial >> markets with digital cash? > and "Perry E. Metzger" <perry(a)snark.imsi.com> said: >In theory, yes, although one would also need to move all securities >being traded to book entry or "digital bearer certificates". >Presumably the current securities laws would require some changes. > >This of course has the potential to dramatically lower transaction >costs in these markets. I'm trying to remember the name of the guys who "buy" trades from large institutions like Fidelity. Their transaction clearing costs are supposed to be radically lower because of the automation they use. . . Something about making their money in the bid/asked spread. I'm sure the tax man will want to trace things like this (they might worry about bearer securities after they killed them off already), but there's probably a way to cut them in enough to keep them and the other regulators happy. It might be a way to institutionalize (so to speak ;-)) strong crypto somewhere with enough clout to keep the other Feds out of normal people's business. Your reference to book entry reminded me about the book value for some reason, and the flap about FASB mark-to-market initiatives. That kind of ratcheting down of the time horizon might make the financial markets try to reduce their costs, and be more open to a reduction of transaction costs. Perry, how would some one go about demonstrating the "potential to dramatically lower transaction costs in these markets"? cheers, Bob ----------------- Robert Hettinga "There is no difference between someone Shipwright Development Corporation eats too little and sees Heaven and 44 Farquhar Street someone who drinks too much and sees Boston, MA 02313 USA snakes." -- Bertrand Russell (617) 323-7923

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Who's got Tacky Tokens?
by greg＠ideath.goldenbear.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I must confess that I, too, let the initial wave of interest in Tacky Tokens pass me by, and I find myself without any - and without any memory of where one gets them. I assume that once upon a time, they were available from the bank for free ..? So .. does anyone want to own up to having any? What do you want in exchange for them? Can/will the bank operator reveal how many tokens have been distributed, and how many transactions are processed per day? Are people interested enough in data havens or postage-based remailers that they'd actually use them? (And, re data havens - AT&T plans to offer "virtual storage areas" and archival storage as part of its "PersonaLink" online service allegedly to be introduced this summer. While AT&T may not be privacy-friendly, if this works it will set both technical and economic examples for other, more pro-privacy, services.) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLcb0v33YhjZY3fMNAQGJ6wQAkDOgix3p8dQysAHoGS8qGiZk/eQB4dJz P8p9Qmiwnl8i3WUaAGEZOjZryAA/G1w7VQG9RdYzywa9mOG9G5mpyb8pxm+/UfmY 4329r9mslLpf9vCab84XldJZB62EuEgr4rFOkqyeIkrima4F5kXAEvP/G23dGdU1 XNAsk4p8AdQ= =CJKZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: PC-Expo
by rarachel＠prism.poly.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> If it looks like you're really going to do this, I'll send you some $ or > some disks if you promise to use them for this project. I've had enough folks volunteer for this in NYC that there's no way I'd back out. If you want to send me something I'd rather you send me disks because I don't have any time to buy them. Just as many 3.5" HD's as you can... I'll accept money if you'd rather do it that way, but I want to make sure it gets used up 100% for the disks. (I'll be taking a $20 loss in disks and about $100 in taking the day off, if my boss decides not to pay me for the day off...) > Sandy Sanfort (I think) said a few weeks ago that he's writing an article > for Soldier of Fortune about PGP and privacy; perhaps he'd give you > permission to use that. That would be most cool. Sandy, is you reading this? > I wrote up a short (~ 2 pages, I think) article a few months ago for > someone who wanted to hand out something printed; I'll poke around and > see if I can dig it up. It wasn't anything special, or anything that anyone > else who's been on the list > 3 months couldn't have written. Please, anything you can scrounge together or revise. Also I'd reccomend that you quote from current magazine articles and mention them. This way they can seem more offical media-looking... > You might see if there are pieces you could steal from the PGP docs; they > did a fair job of explaining lots of the issues, as I remember it. I won't include any extra docs or source code. No room on one disk :-( > Like someone on the list suggested, you might think about handing out > Mac disks, too - I'm not familiar enough with PC Expo to know if they > mean "IBM PC" when they say "PC". If that's the case, there may not > be much demand for Mac stuff. :) I may do this if I have the time. I have a Mac, but not much time on my hands anymore... Maybe I'll bring a few Mac disks just incase.... > With respect to copyright, remember that everything* created is born > copyrighted; net-news postings, E-mail, newspaper articles, and everything > else. An author must take affirmative steps to make it public domain. > You're probably safest if you stick to articles explicitly written > for this project, or ones where you have permission to reprint. I > wouldn't be surprised if sympathetic folks/organizations (Wired, John > Perry Barlow, Whole Earth Review) will grant permission if you ask. > > (* where "everything" == original works of authorship fixed in a > tangible medium of expression) The Wired JackBoots article is freely distributable, so that will go on there. :-)

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Lobbying/Politics/Etc.
by Gary Jeffers 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On this thread, someone expressed outrage at the idea that a terrorist incident could be staged to encourage gun control legislation. -That this was a "smear" on "bleeding hearts". Its not as simple as that Recently, Walter Williams has popularized a wonderful term used by the Communist Party - "USEFUL IDIOTS". A USEFUL IDIOT was a person who believed the propaganda of the inner circle &, so believing, worked for the Party without knowing the hidden agenda. It seems that in America, when the state does a power grab, we find at least two groups involved in pushing for the state - a ruling elite & the useful idiots. The useful idiots are a well developed group for the state gun control plan. The state is now working to develop useful idiots with regard to encryption. Useful idiots would probably not sanction terrorist incidents to further their political views & could certainly not be trusted to be involved in any such incident. I don't believe that the ruling elite would have any qualms against such an incident - only practical re- servations. Yours Truly, Gary Jeffers PUSH EM BACK! PUSH EM BACK! WWWAAAYYY BBBAAACCCKKK! BBBEEEAAATTTT STATE !

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Re: PC-Expo
by rarachel＠prism.poly.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> (quit, not retired :-), technician, programmer, etc. If you don't want an > editorial article, let me know what you'd like. Anything you can write will be file. Letter or Op-Ed or slap the NSA kinda article. Just keep one thing in mind. Assume they know nothing about crypto or the NSA or clipper.. Add tons of Fear Uncertainty and Deception. Make'em want to rise up and bitch to Uncle Sam.. If you can include quotes from various "Info Liberated articles", please do! > Or, I can do this. Anything you can help. Please. You don't have to do just one thing. :-) > Or, I can do this. (hey, I'm flexible, and wanna help :-) Welcome aboard and loads of help. Just send me whatever ideas you have in email to my other account rarachel(a)photon.poly.edu and I'll see if I can help you with ideas or provide some "liberated" articles. :-) Really appreciate your willingness to help.

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Magic Money at pub/mpd
by anonymous＠extropia.wimsey.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Magic Money DOS client is at /pub/mpd, not /pub/mpj, on Netcom.

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Re: Announcement RE: Lobbying...
by jim＠bilbo.suite.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Arsen Ray Arachelian says: > And they can kiss my fat ass for all I care. As long as crypto > is legal there ain't a thing they can use that list for > except to deny you jobs. Section #120.9 of the ITAR defines "Defense Service" as: (1) The furnishing of assistance (including training) to foreign persons, whether in the United States or abroad in the design, development, engineering, manufacture, production, assembly, testing, repair, maintenance, modification, operation, demilitarization, destruction, processing, or use of defense articles; or (2) The furnishing to foreign persons of any technical data controlled under this subchapter (see #120.10), whether in the United States or abroad. Section #120.17 defines "Export" as: [paragraphs 1 - 4 skipped] (5) Performing a defense service on behalf of, or for the benefit of, a foreign person, whether in the United States or abroad; or [paragraph 6 skipped] I expect that most on this list know that cryptographic software and systems with the capability of maintaining secrecy or confidentiality of information (excluding systems using cryptography for authentication purposes only) are considered export controlled defense articles. (See section #121.1, Category XIII) Posting instructions on how to use and/or build cryptographic software to a mailing list containing foreign persons could be interpreted by some as a violation the ITAR regulations. However, I think they would have to stretch the point quite a bit, considering the fact that it is legal to export cryptography books and discuss cryptography with foreign nationals in an academic setting. Also, the posted instructions could be considered "information in the public domain" (section #120.11), which is *not* subject to the ITAR regulations. My hypothesis: The TLAs could shut down the cypherpunks mailing list (as it now exists) by dragging all the U.S. list members into court. The TLAs would probably lose the case, but they would still do a lot of damage to the lives of the U.S. list members. Jim_Miller(a)suite.com

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Lobbying. ..etc etc..
by Julietta 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > Jim Miller says: > > > > My hypothesis: The TLAs could shut down the cypherpunks mailing list > > (as it now exists) by dragging all the U.S. list members into court. > > The TLAs would probably lose the case, but they would still do a lot > > of damage to the lives of the U.S. list members. > > > > > > > ::Gulp:: Don't give 'em any ideas.. > > -- Jane Doe, subscriber, Cypherpunks List :) ;) > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Julie M. Albright > Ph.D Student > Department of Sociology > University of Southern California > albright(a)netcom.com > > --VAA01187.768025029/nunki.usc.edu-- > >

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No Subject
by catalyst-remailer＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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