December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: (Fwd) Something of Interest
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: jf_avon |I received this out of the blues. I suppose that you received it |too. ........................................................... I didn't receive it, and I set off quite a round of discussion with Jim & the list, at one point. Guess I'm not considered controversial enough to get it. :>) .. Blanc

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Anon Remailers
by dwomack＠runner.utsa.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Some time back, Xenon maintained a list of anonymous remailers, along with what records were kept, i.e., simple counter, to & from addresses, full text for some time period, etc. I know the list is available via finger (Many compliments to those involved in that!!!), but was wondering if the record- keeping aspect was reported anywhere? And no, I've never written to whitehouse.gov, don't intend to, and wouldn't on a bet!!! Regards, Dave

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Crime Bill
by Jim choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyone know if the death penalty has been extended to weapons or arms trafficking? If so this means that simply sending a disk w/ pgp on it now rates a lethal injection.... Anywhere I can get the full text? It does not appear to be up on the white house or other gov. sources yet. Thanks.

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Re: PGP fanatacism
by nobody＠ds1.wu-wien.ac.at 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Earlier, Tim May wrote: > Not only do many of us not do all this stuff (have you seen Eric > Hughes signing his messages? How about John Gilmore?), but some people > have decided to stop reading e-mail altogether. Donald Knuth, for > example. A wise man. > I'm happy that you PGP fans are thoroughly infatuated with using PGP > for everything. Just knock off the clucking and sighing about those > who don't see it as the end-all and be-all of today's communications. > It reeks of fanaticism. Interesting. I wonder what this says though... cypherpunks promote encryption, digital cash, dc nets, data havens... but wouldn't ever be caught actually using any of the above. Hell, that stuff is way too plebian. I'd rather advocate it that actually be in the uncomfortable position of following my own advice.

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Re: PGP fanatacism (Cost-benefit analysis)
by blancw＠pylon.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Responding to msg by nobody(a)ds1.wu-wien.ac.at Interesting. I wonder what this says though... cypherpunks promote encryption, digital cash, dc nets, data havens... but wouldn't ever be caught actually using any of the above. .................................................. I think this says is that it is important to apply the appropriate tools when it is apropos and the situation calls for it, but not when there isn't sufficient cause to warrant the time & trouble. Blanc

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Crypto Panel at Rocky Mtn. Inet User's Group
by Richard Johnson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Just a short announcement culled from the minutes of the last RMIUG meeting. It's of greatest interest to those of us in CO. I suppose the panelists on the list already know about it (but one can never be completely sure). || The next RMIUG meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, September 13th. || We will have a "Crypto-Fest" panel discussion organized by RMIUG || member Duane Thompson (ak351(a)freenet.hsc.colorado.edu) || including Phil DuBois, lawyer for Phil Zimmerman, author of the || encryption program Pretty Good Privacy (PGP), Mike Johnson, || encryption expert, engineer, software programmer, inventor of || the Diamond encryption algorith, and Phil Zimmerman himself, || speaking to us about encryption technology, the benefits and || uses of recent versions of PGP, and issues surrounding || encryption technology. The RMIUG meetings are held at the NCAR mesa facility in Boulder, CO at 7pm on the 2nd Tuesday of the month. To get there, find Table Mesa (yeah, stupid name) or South Boulder Road, and head West on it 'till you reach the end and find the building Woody Allen rapelled out of in Sleeper. The auditorium is just inside the main entrance. Show up at 6:30 for schmoozing. Rich -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAgUBLl8EMfobez3wRbTBAQE26gP9GAjrnb/dxCP3XBKtZipjWtFE18AM7C0V t/e45SwqDXRBsn4r/5O4MEuEJUbQ0dmgBK1VvXHgwP+suPf+KbKYHi6ASFG02Ecw Mo9ZiFSUE1KHwwoiK28GrLMRBAYP5lOAKV2jyLckDfeSRmb+4fTgQB7baHH4qa7k emyKs+hlH+I= =8Rk8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Online cash, Internet, Pizza Hut
by Jim choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi all, Has anyone got any idea how Pizza Hut is handling their new real-time online pizza ordering service? As I understand it you can now order pizza over the internet if you are in the right locations. Any info? Thanks.

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Re: Anon fanatacism (Cost-benefit analysis)
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Responding to msg by sq0nk(a)alt.anonymous.messages (Random Factor) on Sat Aug 27 >> Responding to msg by nobody(a)ds1.wu-wien.ac.at ?ohW nhoJ

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Re: FCC Regulation (fwd)
by Phil Karn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This particular spoof is best appreciated by a radio ham -- it was clearly a parody of the FCC licensing system for ham radio. It also points out the substantial cultural similarities between the Internet and (traditional) ham radio. Unfortunately, one year's joke often has a nasty habit of turning into next year's reality. >From personal experience, I can say that the current staff at the FCC Private Radio Bureau (which regulates ham radio) is surprisingly enlightened. In recent years they've worked hard to remove obsolete licensing requirements like morse code for VHF/UHF and many (but not all, unfortunately) of the more onerous restrictions on "acceptable use" of the ham bands. In these proceedings it became clear that the hams themselves are the real problem. Some hams still want a big benevolent FCC to protect them from people who personally offend them, and many of these people have a following. Although this phenomenon is by no means qualitatively unique to ham radio, it does seem to have grown quantitatively beyond anything seen elsewhere. It really gives one pause. Is government really the enemy of personal freedoms, or does it merely reflect an intolerant and unenlightened general population? It's easy to make a government that responds to the will and whim of the majority, but how can one create a government that rises above the petty illiberalism of the people it governs to protect the rights of the individual? Phil

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This month's High Times
by L. Todd Masco 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This month's High Times includes a bunch o' articles on the Internet, mailing lists, alt.drugs, John Perry Barlow, etc. There's an article that's pretty reasonable called "Cyber-Hydroponics" [by "Bucky Dave and Garbled Uplink"], discussing anonymous remailers (PGP is discussed in another article) and schemes that remind me of the "Little Brother Inside" idea. Included in the article is a list of anonymous remailers: it's very interesting to note that the list includes the cypherpunks remailers but *not* the penet.fi one. Somebody has a clue. The article is primarily about controlling systems through anonymous remailers: setting up a space to grow pot in and controlling and monitoring it remotely entirely untracably through remailers. A very interesting application. If there's sufficient interest, the article could be send to cypherpunks. I'd recommend picking up the issue, even if you have no interest in psychoactives. It's also got an article on erosion of constitutional rights, something that the readership of High Times is in a particularly good position to appreciate. This should be interesting: this is reaching a wide audience of folks who have a very real need for secure communications, who have good reason to be paranoid. I can easily envision a mailing list based upon the PGP-majordomo mechanisms discussed earlier dedicated to growing pot (Did anybody do any coding on that?), the subscribers being totally anonymous. Open the floodgates wide... -- L. Todd Masco | "Large prime numbers imply arrest." - Previously meaningless cactus(a)bb.com | grammatically correct sentence. Now...

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