December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: atheism (was: RE: Democracy... (fwd)) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:06:26 +0200 (MEST) > From: Heinz-Juergen Keller <hjk(a)dip.de> > Subject: RE: atheism (was: RE: Democracy... (fwd)) (fwd) > > We're doing Boolean Algebra here not Algebra, the rules for transitory > > functions are different. > A natural language is *not* boolean. > It is a Peano-Algebra.(with some more restrictions) > [R.Montague: Universal Grammar] Irrelevant, we're analysing the truth or falsity of a statement, that is Boolean Algebra. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Peano Algebra and it's base theorem
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Peano Algebra's are based on the following: If a unary predicate P holds for 0, and if P holds, together with an element x, also for it's succesor x', then P holds for all natural numbers. The question under consideration is NOT an attempt to describe a language in a Sigma structure/algebra/model. We are NOT trying to analyze the language but rather a specific mathematical statement made IN that language. They are not the same problem and hence Peano Algebra's do NOT apply. Nice straw man, I had to drag a math book out to refresh what a Peano Algebra was (don't think I've ever had to deal with one). ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Stego-empty hard drives... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "Neels Kriek" <kriek(a)bigfoot.com> > Subject: Re: Stego-empty hard drives... (fwd) > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 01:52:03 -0500 > I have bee using Encrypted magic Folders for a while now. it gives you the > option of encrypting all files in a specific folder. it can also do file > name scrambling and even hide all the files in a directory from the OS. > > It activates through a hot key combination. You work on the files you want > and when you exit emf the whole dir is hidden again. probably not the most > secure system but it will certainly fool most them if you disable booting > from a stiffy/floppy. The problem is this approach is detectible with a suitable 'virus scanner' technology. Even if the encrypted folders and such don't appear in the file system you have various other pieces of the processing agent that must sit around on the drive and hence are open to signature attacks. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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CHALLENGE response (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:01:07 +0200 > From: Anonymous <nobody(a)replay.com> > Subject: CHALLENGE response > "Contrary to one famous philosopher, > you're saying the medium is not the > message," Judge Thomas Nelson said, > alluding to the media theorist Marshall > McLuhan. > http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/120997encrypt-bernstein.html > > Bullshit! > The bits and bytes of email encryption are a clear message > that I wish to exercise my right to speak freely, without those > who wish to do me harm invading my privacy. If you're going to take that tack then you need to invoke freedom of the press and not freedom of speech. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Peano Algebra and it's base theorem (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:02:23 -0500 > From: Mark Hahn <mhahn(a)tcbtech.com> > Subject: Re: Peano Algebra and it's base theorem > At 07:42 AM 9/22/98 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > >Peano Algebra's are based on the following: > > > >If a unary predicate P holds for 0, and if P holds, together with an element > >x, also for it's succesor x', then P holds for all natural numbers. > > Didn't you over simplify this theorem somewhat. It's taken word for word from VNR. Send 'em a letter. The point is that we were discussing binary not integer mathematics. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Stego-empty hard drives... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:33:18 +0100 > From: Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen(a)stud.uni-muenchen.de> > Subject: Re: Stego-empty hard drives... (fwd) > > I am ignorant about hardware. Question: Wouldn't it be possible to > somehow put information on a music CD? > Absolutely, though the fact that it's r/w'able is going to set some flags off. Now if you can find somebody who makes R/W CD's that aren't blue, green, yellow, etc. and instead the clear that is normaly expected you might pull it off. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Clinton's fake apologies (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:28:01 -0400 > From: Duncan Frissell <frissell(a)panix.com> > Subject: Re: Clinton's fake apologies (fwd) > Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, we just conducted a > favorable/non-favorable public opinion survey about the ADA over there and > found out that 3% had a favorable opinion of him 3% unfavorable and 94% > were DK or No Opinion. I therefore plead that he has insufficient personal > popularity to conduct this prosecution. I like that one, talk about 'jury of their peers'... ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Stego-empty hard drives... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:54:57 -0500 > From: Mark Hahn <mhahn(a)tcbtech.com> > Subject: Re: Stego-empty hard drives... (fwd) > As I recall, this thread is about customs officials booting your laptop > from *their* floppy and scanning your hard drive. I suggest two > practical solutions to avoid this incursion: That's where we started, we're miles away and deep in the woods now.... ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Stego-empty hard drives... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:01:31 +1000 > From: Reeza! <howree(a)cable.navy.mil> > Subject: Re: Stego-empty hard drives... (fwd) > At 07:45 AM 9/22/98 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > >Forwarded message: > >> From: "Neels Kriek" <kriek(a)bigfoot.com> > >> Subject: Re: Stego-empty hard drives... (fwd) > >> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 01:52:03 -0500 > >> I have bee using Encrypted magic Folders for a while now. it gives you the > >> option of encrypting all files in a specific folder. it can also do file > >> name scrambling and even hide all the files in a directory from the OS. > >> > >> It activates through a hot key combination. You work on the files you want > >> and when you exit emf the whole dir is hidden again. probably not the most > >> secure system but it will certainly fool most them if you disable booting > >> from a stiffy/floppy. > > > >The problem is this approach is detectible with a suitable 'virus scanner' > >technology. Even if the encrypted folders and such don't appear in the file > >system you have various other pieces of the processing agent that must sit > >around on the drive and hence are open to signature attacks. > > > > The first assertion is not entirely accurate- Which first assertion, his or mine? Youre quoting leaves me confused (not that it is necessarily your fault...;). > I played with Magic Folders > for a while- it relies on a command, usu. in the autoexec.bat or win.ini > file (dos/windows environment) to load, with a bootable floppy disk these > commands would would be bypassed and the so-called "hidden" folder is in > plain sight. One thing is clear, you can't mundge the base OS or else the catch is going to be trivial. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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CHALLENGE response (fwd)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The whole point of the CHALLENGE response went straight over his head, didn't it? It's almost as though there are two mailing lists here: the one for dolts, where Jim Choate gets into his idiotic little arguments with his fellow fools, yammering back and forth on totally off-topic matters, and the one for people interested in cryptography and its implications. We have here the first known case where a key was constructed ex post facto to validate a signed message, in response to Adam Back's challenge. No longer can you assume that just because you posted a signed message on a certain date, and you hold the public key which signed that message, that you can later prove authorship. It challenges some of the implicit assumptions which have been made in using public key cryptography. And all Jim Choate can do is take issue with a snippet of Toto's ravings which were included purely to illustrate the signature validity. He is completely unaware of what is really happening. Jim Choate writes: > Forwarded message: > > > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:01:07 +0200 > > From: Anonymous <nobody(a)replay.com> > > Subject: CHALLENGE response > > > "Contrary to one famous philosopher, > > you're saying the medium is not the > > message," Judge Thomas Nelson said, > > alluding to the media theorist Marshall > > McLuhan. > > http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/120997encrypt-bernstein.html > > > > Bullshit! > > The bits and bytes of email encryption are a clear message > > that I wish to exercise my right to speak freely, without those > > who wish to do me harm invading my privacy. > > If you're going to take that tack then you need to invoke freedom of the > press and not freedom of speech.

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