December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Test 2 [no reply, loop test, last one]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Test 2

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loop test #1
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Loop, loop, loop -- --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html ---------------------------------------------------------------

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loop test #2
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Loop test #2 -- --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html ---------------------------------------------------------------

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loop test #3
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Loop test #3 -- --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html ---------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Could E.M. Cordian be Matt Blaze in Disguise? (Nah!)
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rah(a)pop.sneaker.net Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 00:47:21 -0500 To: Vin McLellan <vin(a)shore.net>, dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Subject: Re: Could E.M. Cordian be Matt Blaze in Disguise? (Nah!) Cc: Matt Blaze <mab(a)research.att.com> Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> At 12:31 AM -0500 on 11/15/98, Vin McLellan wrote: > (Actually, I'd bet that even Robert Hettinga knows that this is > untrue.) Moi? ;-) Now *why* would I do that to you, Vin? Don't let those ol' Snakes of Medusa bite you, pal. Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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penis test #1
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

penis test one

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List Test
by whgiii＠gulf.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Just another test, sorry. -- --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html ---------------------------------------------------------------

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:35 PM 11/14/98 -0500, John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> wrote: > >An NSA team presented at NISSC98 in October >"The Inevitability of Failure: The Flawed Assumption >of Security in Modern Computing Environments:" ... >Not that NSA would ever exploit OS weaknesses not warned >about. > Part of the context for this: NSA is trying to encourage their new testing program for security products. My feeling is that program, in turn, is intended to preserve the spaces for all the employees involved in the failed TCSEC/Rainbow testing program. I say "failed" because it hasn't caught on in the private sector, it's expensive and, of course, the laughable "C2 in '92." If you can't trust your OS, Dum-dum-Dah! NSA to the rescue with testing! The new Common Criteria is to replace TCSEC/Rainbow next year, but if it walks like a duck....

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Re: Could E.M. Cordian be Matt Blaze in Disguise? (Nah!)
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

:-) --- begin forwarded text To: Vin McLellan <vin(a)shore.net> cc: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com>, dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: Could E.M. Cordian be Matt Blaze in Disguise? (Nah!) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 05:33:22 -0500 From: Matt Blaze <mab(a)research.att.com> That you for CCing the enclosed message. I must admit that I'm rather puzzled by it. This is the first I've head of an "E.M Cordian," or for that matter "M.F. Tones" or "Mr. Rogue." I am quite sure, however, that I am none of these people. I have also never seen, or claimed to have seen, any description of the RSA algorithm, other than the the recently declassified public key historical material from GCHQ, that predates R, S and A's original paper on the subject. I don't subscribe to the cypherpunks mailing list (or, for that matter, DCSB), and I've only just now scanned over the web page mentioned in your message, so I'm unclear as to what might be going on. Perhaps someone is confused about the $7.00 "better DES challenge" that I offered last year (which was solved this year by the EFF DES brute force hardware). Whatever this is about, however, I assure you that any use of my name in connection with a solicitation for funds for some sort of "analytical DES cracking" effort, or any suggestion that I'm involved in such a project, is absolutely false and perhaps fraudulent. Feel free to forward this as you see fit. Thanks -Matt Blaze > Out on the Cypherpunks List, "Anonymous" claimed to reveal the real >identity of E.M. Cordian, the organizer of the DES Analytical Crack. See: >http://www.cyberspace.org/~enoch/crakfaq.html > >>Shouldn't we be using "Mr. Cordian's" real >>name? Matt Blaze (mab(a)research.att.com) also >>occasionally known as "M.F. Tones", and even less >>often as "Mr. Rouge" (There should be an accent mark >>there actually). > > In response, Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> declared: > >>Just to clear the air a smidge. >> >>If Matt Blaze says he's looking for an algebraic inverse to DES, I tend to >>believe him... > > Jeeze, Rob! This is your attempt to help "clear the air?" > > I do not for a moment believe that Eric Michael Cordian ><emc(a)wire.insync.net> is a pseudonym for Matt Blaze <mab(a)research.att.com>! > > You should maybe query Matt directly <mab(a)research.att.com> before >you endorse E.M. Cordian as Matt Blaze in drag. You could confuse a whole >lot of people who trust your insider knowledge of these steamy Net Affairs. > > To anyone familiar with Blaze's essays, speeches, & on-line posts, >a scan of Mr. Codrian's FAQ and published comments should make it apparent >that this suggestion is unlikely, if not perposterous. > > The real Matt Blaze would also not be making these absurd and false >claims that some mysterious "book" describing a cryptosystem identical or >equivalent to the RSA public key cryptosystem was published "years" before >Ron Rivest, Adi Shamir and Len Adelman first published their RSA PKC >algorithm in April, 1977. (It's well documented in the Cypherpunk >archives, Codrian assures us;-) > > There was no such book. Cordian's statement is just not true. The >real Matt Blaze -- the guy who wrote the pithy Afterward to Schneier's >Applied Cryptography,II -- would know that this is not true. > > (Actually, I'd bet that even Robert Hettinga knows that this is >untrue.) > > Mind you, if the real Matt Blaze announced that he was seeking $500 >from twenty people to fund a private research project which he felt had a >meaningful chance of casting DES as a NP-hard combinatorial problem and >attacking it with an appropriate combinatorial algorithm, I'd send a check >off tomorrow. > > The real Matt Blaze would not have 15 donors -- as Mr. Cordian >reports -- but be stimied on how to get five more. > > I wish Mr. Cordian well in his algebraic attack on DES -- but, >unfortunately, he is not the real Matt Blaze. Not even a near-clone. > > We could do with a few more professionals with Blaze's talent, >energy, and integrity in general circulation. > > Suerte, > > _Vin > >----- >"Cryptography is like literacy in the Dark Ages. Infinitely potent, for >good and ill... yet basically an intellectual construct, an idea, which by >its nature will resist efforts to restrict it to bureaucrats and others who >deem only themselves worthy of such Privilege." >_ A Thinking Man's Creed for Crypto _vbm. > > * Vin McLellan + The Privacy Guild + <vin(a)shore.net> * > 53 Nichols St., Chelsea, MA 02150 USA <617> 884-5548 > > --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: Elder Kennedy ordered to tesify to Grand Jury (if you can (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:52:06 -0500 > From: Petro <petro(a)playboy.com> > Subject: Re: Elder Kennedy ordered to tesify to Grand Jury (if you can > call it that) [CNN] (fwd) > Jim, "Grand Jury", a jury to see if there is enough evidence to > warrant a full trial. > > >Irrelevant, one doesn't throw away the justice system because it might have > >been abused. One wrong does not justify another. > > Correct, but this isn't a guilty or innocent trial, this is a "is > there enough evidence to try this person" type trial. > > This judge can't throw the perp in jail, only throw another trial > where there will be 12 to judge. ARTICLE V. No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. ARTICLE VI. In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have Assistance of Counsel for his defence. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- By definition a jury is more than one, it's the reason they are implimented; to moderate the biases of the individual. Secondly, a judge is not impartial when acting in the stead of the state in two capacities at one time. Especialy when by their very nature they are at least to some degree confrontational. Dem's da rules bubba. The Kennedy lawyers should be throwing civil right shit fits about now. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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