December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Encrypted InterNet DEATH THREAT!!! / ATTN: Ninth District
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Court Judges TruthMailer wrote: > p.p.s. > You can also charge me with use of 'conventional' encryption > in the commission of a crime. > Must be your lucky fucking day, eh? If I were TruthMonger, I would worry more about being charged with the "use of stupidity" in the commission of a crime.

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Re: Cato forum tomorrow: should money laundering be a crime?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Steve Schear wrote: >Nerthus wrote: >>Might be a bit of a stretch, but I think this is because money today is >>inherently a liability, that is a debt that someone, somewhere has promised >>to pay back. > >You've got this all backwards. The bearer certificates (paper money) issued >by governments is an interest-free loan by those holding the paper to the >issuer. This is true, but it is only part of the picture. The paper currency issuer (the central bank) is enjoying seigniorage, that is -- in the case of the US - -- the Federal Reserve is collecting revenue from the interest earned on the outstanding paper dollars. This earned interest is given to the Treasury and accounted for as revenue for the federal government. However, this tells us nothing about the currency's real worth. We need to look deeper to find the source of the paper currency's value. When the US government wants to create money, it issues debt instruments such as T-Bills to the Fed or to a commercial bank. The bank then credits the government's deposit (checking) account for the face value of the T-Bill. The bank believes it will collect this money back plus interest in a certain amount of time. The government can then ask the Fed to issue some paper cash in exchange for the deposit currency (new paper is then created). The T-Bill is nothing but a promise by the federal government to pay back a debt. The government has taken a loan from a bank and promises to pay it back in 1,5,10 or 30 years with interest. The money to pay it back comes directly from the tax revenues the government collects from its citizens. Thus paper currency is based on the debt saddled upon future generations of citizens/taxpayers. Interestingly, this is not much different than John Q. Public getting cash advances on his credits cards for a few years and then wondering why he is $25k in the hole and growing at 18% per annum. Many people, especially politicians, always go for the short term gain, regardless of the long term consequences. Debt-based currency (primarily a 20th century phenomenon) has ushered in a new era of political and financial irresponsibility. Eventually the debts must either be reneged on or paid off. When that time finally comes, neither option will paint a pretty picture. Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNIxg7Ra1d3zm4nqOEQJnnwCfaOLKaiCiYuqUJRSVBLc1Q6aZ4VIAoNJY EdB96VwVlxlcI9u3Glnwjf1y =vMJq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [Censored] Quote of the Day (fwd)
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: >I've had to threaten several DPS officers (Texas state troopers) >with this because they like to park their cruiser in the drive outside >my fence but still within the property line without asking my >permission to do paperwork and eat. > >They don't do it anymore. Damn, Jim, it's been nice having you here. Huntsville's agape for sugary puckers "threatening an officer." Still that beats joining the roadkill at the bottom of Lake Travis for messing with Texas.

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Re: [Censored] Quote of the Day (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi John, Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 17:34:30 -0500 > From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> > Subject: Re: [Censored] Quote of the Day (fwd) > Jim Choate wrote: > > >I've had to threaten several DPS officers (Texas state troopers) > >with this because they like to park their cruiser in the drive outside > >my fence but still within the property line without asking my > >permission to do paperwork and eat. > > > >They don't do it anymore. > > Damn, Jim, it's been nice having you here. Huntsville's agape > for sugary puckers "threatening an officer." > > Still that beats joining the roadkill at the bottom of Lake Travis > for messing with Texas. Sorry dude, it isn't against the law in Texas to threaten an officer when they are committing a crime, and trespassing on private property without permission, in pursuit of a suspect, or a warrant is most definitely a crime in this state, even for police. In this state if I catch somebody on my property at night in the process of what I *believe* is theft is even grounds for me to use deadly force; but *only* between sunset and sunrise. About 3 years ago we had a female UT-Austin student shoot and kill a peeping tom in the middle of town. She saw the guy through her window, got her gun, went outside and dropped the guy. No charges were filed because it was after dark and his trespassing on the apartment property was enough to invoke the above referenced law. There was a lot of screaming and yelling from a bunch of bleeding hearts about it, but the law still stands. You really should try to understand why you cow-tow to 'The Man'.... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | | | We built your fort. We will not have it used against us. | | | | John Wayne - Allegheny Uprising | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Remailer Trivia / Re: Singapore & Freedom (fwd)
by Charlie Comsec 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> wrote: > > With both Nynex and Bell Atlantic, I've gotten phone service under a > > nym. No SSN, no credit references, no problem. > > > > Just don't call yourself Bill Clinton. > > That isn't the same as having it listed under the nym 'anonymous', when > you can get a phone company to start service, accept payment under that > 'name' and keep it that way in their records let me know. Further, with > the cross to the service address your anonymity isn't. But that isn't analogous to making an anonymous post to a public forum such as a Usenet NG or a mailing list. The best telephone analogy to that I can think of would be to place a phone call from a payphone to one of those call-in radio programs, say what you have to say, then hang up and listen to the responses over your radio. Signing up for a telephone under a pseudonym implies that you desire incoming calls (private replies) and is more analogous to a 'nym server. - --- Finger <comsec(a)nym.alias.net> for PGP public key (Key ID=19BE8B0D) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNI2qrwbp0h8ZvosNAQF0MAf9E6GecTJszUYlfj6D1WCX8HUpJcVBo2gY DwLJOs8l3tgf292xFbcInQpQncJyIWHWY3svOZyGcmxgtUDjAi61vaeAYasU44sA KXJV0NjZgqXtE2bIAAWDSQsRzWalawnOp0UfNv1f3arHJrOx03YttAA8IuzB0365 uyCaZhjZDnhaSYd+Z+yfICcth4PVInRmm+gW6kpthMV3bY/+14hVjC6DAdh3W38E 5mlVG/99OLd2J+dSbo3al0eFmTnLcqyUK0w5kqkWpnStvTYuos1TSvuIX7toBOZi WIDLn83zHYbFwpp25hs68SrbTZ+IrQeiuannd14UtAXvWoGjzNLCQw== =Ldte -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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ABC NightTerror
by Nobody 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mr. Gump, A few comments on your CyberTerror show on Dec. 8th. First, I would like to compliment you on how well you articulate with Uncle Sam's cock in your mouth. Second, I would like to suggest that if you would make a habit of burning the government press-releases that you parrot so regularly, that you might be inspired to ask questions of your DCZombie guests that would be of interest to citizens in outlying areas of the country who have not yet received their digital mind- control government implants as of yet. Next time that you interview someone who tells yourself and all of America that this or that organization, agency, or national infrastrucure is in great danger of being compromised by small children, threatening the financial and physical safety of all of humanity, why don't you try asking them when they intend to announce their resignation for allowing conditions to come to this on their watch? Do you sleep well at night, knowing that those who view your show go to bed dreaming of putting children in prison, instead of lynching warlords who claim to have made our national security vulnerable to those children? I suggest that ABC News spends the $50.00 per month necessary to connect the ClueServer, or buy one. Bubba ROM DOS TruthMonger #3 "It's not FUD until *I* say it's FUD!" cc: Nightline(a)abc.com

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ABCnews/Nightline on Cyber Terror 8-Dec-97
by x4＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Last night, ABC news once again stroked the fires of fear and raised the boogieman of "Hackers" destroying the goverment, banks, power plants, ad nauseum. Of course, the main guest was from the US Govt's new trumpeter of CyberTerrorizm, "the President's Commission on Critical Infrastructure Protection". A full transcript is available. _______________________________________________________ Revolution in a Box -- Cyber Terror -- AIR DATE: Monday, Dec. 8, 1997 http://www.abcnews.com/onair/nightline/html_files/transcripts/ntl1208.html ABC technology correspondent Gina Smith investigates the vulnerability of our nations computer systems and what is being done to protect them from the threat of hackers. Guest: Jamie Gorelick, co-chair, Advisory Committee of the Presidents Commission on Critical Infrastructure Protection Jamie Gorelick: Well, there are a number of things we can do. I mean, the effort that has been started already is one to build a partnership between the government and the private sector to work together to know when were being attacked, to share information, to ensure that we have the right research and eventually to be in a position to respond to an attack with the best efforts we can.

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Re: [Censored] Quote of the Day (fwd)
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote, strictly adhering to permissible topics here: >You really should try to understand why you cow-tow to 'The Man'.... DPS sumbitch ran me down near DFW, me and my crap filled van, my mangy hide and shaggy hair, my NY plates, my wildly dumped substances, and sat behind for a few drags of AC in 100 degree heat, miked in the number, adjusted his mirrors, tilted the vidcam skyward, and climbed out, a big, very big widowmaker high on his fat ass, hustled his privates, spat juice, and farted hard enough to quiver the VW and me. Where you heading son, what's the hurry, why you messing Texas highways with this garbage? Not on my watch, Yankee, let me see paper on this wreck, the vehicle, you. What's that smell? Anyway, 24 later, I got the rig back, trashed more so, not so different, the lining had been long gone, so searching it was easy. What was new were ten bullet holes penetrating side to side, .30 caliber I guess, and a shotgunned rear window, inside out. No ticket, no fine, just a reminder of highway justice, on the orderly property of the State of Texas, lawfully administered by cop, judge and jury on the spot, for cost saving efficiency. BTW, any chance your recent system troubles are related to your threats to law and order? DPS got cooperative service interrupters? Administering info highway justice.

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Crypto-buff & conservative GOPer for president?
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*9 ASHCROFT: HEALER OF THE BREACH? Under the header "The Gospel According To John," New Republic's Zengerle profiles Sen. John Ashcroft (R-MO). Ashcroft, "the most authentic social conservative currently receiving serious consideration" for the GOP nod, is "laying claim to the Reagan legacy," in an effort to "prevent his base from splintering." An ally of the religious right, "who view Ashcroft as a fellow traveler," he "holds morning prayer meetings in his office, and on Sundays he attends Assembly of God services in an underground movie theater at Union Station." He has proposed a bill to make social Security taxes deductible, will unveil his own flat-tax proposal and "continues to push" for term limits. His "strategy has one salient flaw, however: it is risky for a candidate of such low national name recognition to cast himself as a healer of the breach." A prominent conservative: "Steve Forbes can't legitimately say that he's been fighting the good fight for this community for the past ten years. ... He's kicked this constituency in the teeth for a better part of the decade. If I'm John Ashcroft, I'd point that out" (12/22 issue).

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Re: [RePol] ABCnews/Nightline on Cyber Terror 8-Dec-97
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

X Four wrote: > > Last night, ABC news once again stroked the fires of fear and raised the > boogieman of "Hackers" destroying the goverment, banks, power plants, ad > nauseum. Of course, the main guest was from the US Govt's new trumpeter > of CyberTerrorizm, "the President's Commission on Critical Infrastructure > Protection". A full transcript is available. > _______________________________________________________ > > Revolution in a Box -- Cyber Terror -- AIR DATE: Monday, Dec. 8, 1997 > http://www.abcnews.com/onair/nightline/html_files/transcripts/ntl1208.html > > Jamie Gorelick: Well, there are a number of things we can do. I mean, the > effort that has been started already is one to build a partnership > between the government and the private sector to work together Is it not funny how this theme of the "government and the private sector" working together is becoming a worldwide theme, just as the theme of "cooperation between governments" is also becoming a universal theme? Can you say, "Fascism?" Sure you can... Can you say, "New World Order?" Sure you can... Can you say, "Bend me over and stick a crowbar up my ass?"...

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