December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

cryptographically secure mailing list software (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: cryptographically secure mailing list software > Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:59:56 -0700 > I've been curious as to whether anyone has developed and/or whether it > is technically feasible to develop a cryptographically secure > listserver. > User would submit their PGP public key to the listserver upon > subscription, submitted messages would be encrypted with the > listserver's public key, Actualy to be secure the subscriber would need to use one of the remailers public key to encrypt their key prior to submission to the remailer. Of course this doesn't prevent a MIT attack and key substitution. Otherwise you'd be sending your key in the clear, generaly a bad thing. This touches on the main problem with distribution and use of PKE, in that no secure key management protocal suitable for internet sort of architectures has ever been developed that doesn't require some trusted 3rd party or an existing secure channel. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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by CRBREW9802＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

how did u do it

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cryptographically secure mailing list software
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've been curious as to whether anyone has developed and/or whether it is technically feasible to develop a cryptographically secure listserver. e.g. User would submit their PGP public key to the listserver upon subscription, submitted messages would be encrypted with the listserver's public key, the listserver would decrypt the message and re-encrypt it with the key of all members and distribute it. This way the users don't need to manage all the keys or even know the list membership. Most listservers already have the ability to moderate subscription messages, the list would not be snoopable. What sort of overhead would exist on a list of a few hundred members? If there is not something existing that will do this, what is the best mailing list codebase to start from? Majodomo I imagine might not be up to the task being written in Perl, LSoft ListSERV I love but it is commercial (no sourcecode). Matt

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Emergency G-7 meeting in England on Sat....
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > X-within-URL: http://cnnfn.com/hotstories/economy/9809/07/g7_pkg/ > Britain calls deputies to London to discuss Russia's economic turmoil > Special Report: Eyes on the Market - Sept. 7, 1998 > > International Monetary Fund LONDON (CNNfn) - An emergency meeting of > mid-level G-7 officials will take place in London on Saturday to > discuss the Russian economic crisis and try to hammer out ways to help > countries facing economic meltdown > [INLINE] The special meeting of senior finance and foreign-ministry > officials from the world's industrialized nations was scheduled after > the Duma, Russia's lower house, Monday rejected for a second time the > nomination of Victor Chernomyrdin as prime minister, leaving Russia > without a government. > [INLINE] The G-7 officials are also expected to discuss how to protect > their own economies. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: e$: crypto-expatriatism
by Ryan Lackey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(note trimmed distribution ... cryptography certainly isn't appropriate for any of this, and I doubt if dcsb is...) Kawika Daguio said: > I would prefer that folks kept us out of their fields of fire in the various > skirmishes occuring during the cryptocrusades and left us to manage the > policy for and the security of our space for ourselves and our customers. Banks and other financial intermediaries do not exist in a vacuum. While I agree that the banking/financial applications do drive the policy in this field (I believe both you and Bob believe this), I do not agree that the existing banks and financial intermediaries drive the policy. Fundamentally, there are some changes which make old institutions irrelevant, even if their functions are taken over by new institutions. For a long time, the Church handled intermediation between military powers. Now, it's the UN. Perhaps tomorrow, it will be the mutual fund managers, transnationals, and news agencies. We all seem to agree that the government is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. While I may be presuming incorrectly, I feel that the ABA represents the accidental existing institutions, not the essence of financial institutions. Thus, when you say you have spent 5 years negotiating and lobbying, I presume you are doing so to allow the existing institutions to fit into the new future. You are not necessarily helping the new future come into being in the essential sense by helping existing institutions come to grips with essential reality. I would argue that the reality of electronic commerce/cryptography, and its effect upon the power relationship of individual vs. group, needs no apologists, and indeed, no apologist can help it. It is a fundamentally new reality.

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17 Dec '03

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Re: h
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Mon, 7 Sep 1998 CRBREW9802(a)aol.com wrote: > > how did u do it > > Usually, it is done as follows: 1) Find a willing partner. If you're a Democrat, find a subordinate or an intern. 2) Make sure your partner wears appropriate attire. If you're a Democrat, a blue dress is appropriate. 3) Unzip your pants. 4) Tell your partner to "kiss it." 5) When you ejaculate, make sure your partner does something suitable with the ejaculate. If you're a Democrat, ensure that she dribbles it over the dress. 6) If you're a Democrat, ensure that she saves the dress, doesn't have it cleaned, and then turns it over to the FBI for DNA testing. For our AOL friend, the following has been converted into the Language of the AOLholes: i) find a wiling partner if your a democrat find a subordinate or a intern... 2) make sure your partner wears right clothing if you're a democrat a blue dress is right........ 3... unzipp you pants 4) tell you partner to kiss it... 5-when u cum make sure your bitch does something with the jiz if your a democrat make sure she drops it in the dress man... 6) If you'r a democrat make sure that she saves da dress...and doesn't have it cleaned...and gives it to the FIB for RNA testing... LamenessMonger

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Re: A question about gas warfare in San Fran in '66... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 19:34:29 -0700 > From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> > Subject: Re: A question about gas warfare in San Fran in '66... > I assume that this is one of these anonymous source things. =20 Actualy no, Alex was showing some documents with government seals and such. I haven't had a chance to contact him so far but intend to. The only way I have of getting a hold of him is to call his talk show or his access tv show. His next access show is tomorrow (Tue.) nite. The gist was that some group within the US gov. did a test in some area of San Fran. and several deaths occurred. It wasn't done with the knowledge or permission of the Cali. or San Fran. officials as described by Alex to date. As I find more info I'll pass it along. [bunch of other peripheral drivel deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: e$: crypto-expatriatism
by Kawika Daguio 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bob, The syllogism at the end of your post is exactly why I have spent the last more than 5 years negotiating and lobbying and why we (FI's) and you (everyone else) shouldn't worry about the impact of government policy on the security of financial communications. Market (macro and microeconomics plays a bigger role than the government. I wouldn't give up my citizenship, neither would I join those guys at the Fort and give up my rights to move about the world without asking permission to travel or publish. I like the balance where I am, but respect those who wish to protest peacefully. I would prefer that folks kept us out of their fields of fire in the various skirmishes occuring during the cryptocrusades and left us to manage the policy for and the security of our space for ourselves and our customers. just my personal views...kawika... <<< Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> 9/ 7 5:29p >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 3:38 PM -0400 on 9/7/98, Robert Hettinga wrote about Ryan Lackey's whereabouts, on cypherpunks: > If I told you, I would have to kill you? Whew. Glad Ryan has now said something publically now about his and Ian's bit of extraterritorial subtrifuge (though Ian doesn't qualify, of course). I mean, I just *hate* keeping secrets... ;-). Frankly, I *really* have a hard time with all this man-without-a-first-world-country, crypto-expat stuff. I think making the technology not eonomically optional is the way to change things, and no amount of romantic, jurisdiction-shopping "regulatory arbitrage" is going to alter reality all that much. But, I guess, Anguilla's as nice a place to have this affliction as any I can think of. And, I wish Vince -- and now, apparently, Ryan -- good luck, whatever happens. Yet, for some reason, memories of Vietnam-era draft-dodgers keep coming to mind. For what it cost them all personally, not much good came of it, I'd say, for them or anyone else. The people who protested the war and "fought the good fight" to end it stayed here to do it, after all. The most potent anti-war activists were Vietnam vets themselves, for that matter. And, of course, Ridgeway told Eisenhower at the outset that Vietnam was a multi-million-man war, and Eisenhower stayed out accordingly, throwing a few marginal people on the ground to shut Lodge up. It took Testosterone Jack to get a Special-Forces hard-on. Eventually he and Desktop Lyndon ended up screwing a pooch instead of the commies. Do people out there really think somebody like Gore's going to do a crypto-amnesty someday? I didn't think so. Ashcroft, maybe, but don't hold your breath, there, either. It'll be decades, I bet, and our "boys over there" will have grey hair long before they do come back home on this one. Political inertia is probably going to keep a few people we know outside the fence, looking in, for an awful long time after the issue's utterly dead. I expect people who do this crypto-expat stuff are going to get their new passports refused at the U.S. border when they visit, and I think that things are going to get worse for them for a long time before they get better. Of course, there's a fair argument to be made that if they do get refused, it's probably time to leave, anyway, but I'll let someone else gnaw that bone. And, frankly, I *do* expect that the FBI will attempt domestic crypto controls, just like they've been been trying to do for some time now. But, unlike a lot of people, I think that the marketplace will steamroller all such silliness into yet another roadtop attraction, before or after its legislation. Anyway, as the old "excrable" e$yllogism goes, Digital commerce is financial cryptography. Financial cryptography is strong cryptography. Therefore, if there's no strong cryptography, there's no digital commerce. So, call me an optimist. Like I've said before, I've heard the end of life and liberty as we know it predicted over and over again -- hell, I've even believed so myself, once or twice -- but, like the Gibbon quote in my .sig goes, "however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity", I ain't seen it happen yet. Cheers, Bob Hettinga -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.5 iQEVAwUBNfRQJMUCGwxmWcHhAQHb7gf ImnoGG28coDgde4cDgnwHyQatO78nY4B 9bMfB9bE1FCqAIZNKfrPzqhJpZzCbYEDYQexXe8bRsl32M7FnIye7w4r7kxeXxns LbLWY83juOAJNgMhPxPhFVcXb8NqwOQzCnYjLdfKSuJ6/lZuNGvsVohHwYuhNxc9 WlOW1WsqeSl3KyzpdDyZU1jAUvNEJQU9JoeeEvlwFNM7zMW3ZoIQB5SSVLf2HYzX vtpnZiRsOeSXt0sWmlXHiZ DeB 79z1z157cg/AOn/qAGBLBgZuDp dbRH7B4ynR ngB6XS irSzNnMWQrVdNYPuRPRRQ h/eV US2Cmjc3uuFcnR/ tnNg== =0UKh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help".

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17 Dec '03

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