December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by lurker＠ottoman.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

October 30, 1997 Web posted at: 9:34 p.m. EST (0234 GMT) ROBY, Illinois (CNN) -- Shirley A. Allen, a mentally disturbed woman who held police off for 39 days with a shotgun and entertained herself by listening to public radio, was captured Thursday and taken to a hospital. "The good news is she's safe," said Terrance Gainer, Illinois state police director. "The great news is nobody got seriously hurt or killed." The standoff ended when Allen ventured out on the deck behind her home to throw away food and water left for her by the police. On her third trip, she stooped to cut a wire attached to a pail in which a police camera was hidden. A trooper fired six rubber bullets at her, striking her two or three times and knocking her to the deck, where she was captured. Gainer said that Allen, who wore a full camouflage suit padded with a pillow and magazines, was examined at a hospital and reported to be in good condition was feisty enough after the ordeal to scold police for their tactics during the standoff. Gainer said she is still in custody and will undergo a psychiatric examination. "I think she's probably as relieved right now as we are that this is over," said Allen's brother, Byron Dugger, who talked with her after she was captured. Gainer said Allen asked Dugger to open his mouth to prove he wasn't someone wearing a mask that looked like him. 'They have zapped my head with radar' The standoff in this small central Illinois town began September 22 when Allen, 51, brandished a shotgun as her brother and sheriff's deputies tried to take her in for a court-ordered evaluation. Allen's relatives were concerned because she had become increasingly depressed and paranoid since her husband died of pancreatic cancer in 1989. More recently, she had refused to see or talk to her brother or her 86-year-old mother. In a letter to her mother in May 1996, Allen wrote, "They have zapped my head with radar. I have swelling and inflammation of the brain." She did not say who "they" were, but when police offered her water after she was captured, she said "the helicopters" told her not to drink it. There were no helicopters in sight, but she finally drank the water after troopers drank some to prove it wasn't poisoned. She told them she hadn't eaten or had anything to drink in three days. Allen also talked to her daughter, Kate Waddell, after she was captured. "But she wasn't quite sure it was Mrs. Waddell," Gainer said. Allen's case attracted the sympathy of many neighbors and became a rallying point for some who called it "Roby Ridge," likening it to shootouts at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and Waco, Texas, as an example of overzealous law enforcement. Standoff cost taxpayers about $1 million Others questioned the expense of the standoff. Gainer tackled that one head-on at a news conference Thursday, saying it was about $15,000 a day. He estimated the total cost of the operation at $750,000 to $1 million. Obviously relieved that Allen was taken alive, an unapologetic Gainer said, "But I don't think Mrs. Shirley Allen is worth a cent less than that." Police tried to get Allen out of her green frame farmhouse with tear gas, pepper spray and music. They also tried to coax her out with a visit from her favorite stepdaughter. This week, they began giving her food and restored her power, which had been shut off earlier, in a goodwill gesture they hoped would calm her down. Allen had fought off tear gas by smearing her face with petroleum jelly and withstood beanbag bullets by wearing heavy layers of clothing. She apparently slept in a sleeping bag in the living room -- the room where her husband died -- and had two transistor radios with earplugs. Gainer said the radios were tuned to a local public radio station. Protesters gathered daily to support her and criticized the police. 'Mrs. Allen is where she needs to be' "The good feeling is it's over for her. The bad feeling is how she's going to be trapped after this is over with," said John Powers, a neighbor and one of the protesters. "We don't know if they'll treat her as a person who is sane or as a person who tried to shoot their dog." Although Allen fired at state troopers and wounded a police dog sent into her home Sunday, "it would serve no useful purpose to charge her," Gainer said. "Given what we have known from Day 1, Mrs. Allen is where she needs to be right now." Reporter Lisa Price and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Reduce your taxes
by s67e3tG8D＠actrix.gen.nz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: apropos list talk and our culture
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I will admit to a guilty pleasure: the opening scene, where the BATF agent >gets shot in the face, was delicious. It is often said that American TV is utter rubbish, but surely this would be the saving grace of such a programme. I too experienced such an effect a few days ago, when exiting a stretch of dual-carriageway I saw a car accident up ahead, I slowed down to see what had happened and saw a police motorcycle crushed under a car`s wheels, and the badly injured officer being stretchered away to an ambulance, a grin spread accross my face and I started laughing. A fine sight. Of course this story, which, since it involves the injury (and, I sincerely hope, eventual death) of a jackbooted thug, has a sad side to it, The police bikes were being riden unsafely and without any regard for other motorists (they were in a convoy of about 30 bikes presumably guarding some statist motherfucker), but I would lay money that the driver who was hit by the cop bike is blamed and prosecuted for the accident. Paul Bradley, currently in limbo between accounts but always reachable at paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul Bradley paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk SMS: +44 (0)410933621 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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FBI Provides Soft Target List! (WAS: Suitcase packed, and nowhere to go...)
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

* Following is the list of the 33 IRS District * Headquarters Offices: * * FROM: FBI NATIONAL SECURITY DIVISION * Pacific Northwest District--Seattle, WA * Northern California District--Oakland, CA. * Central California District--San Jose, CA. * Los Angeles District--Los Angeles, CA. * Southern California District--Laguna Niguel, CA. * Southwest District--Phoenix, AZ * Rocky Mountain District--Denver, CO * Arkansas-Oklahoma District--Oklahoma City, OK * North Texas District--Dallas, TX * South Texas District--Austin, TX * Houston District--Houston, TX * Illinois District--Chicago, IL * Republic of Texas District--Armadillo World Headquarters

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Technology 'secures' gunfire [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > TECHNOLOGY 'SECURES' GUNFIRE IN THE CITY > > Secures October 31, 1997 > Web posted at: 4:44 p.m. EST (2144 GMT) > > ARLINGTON, Virginia (CNN) -- If you heard gunshots ring out in your > neighborhood, you might be able to tell the general direction they > came from. And if you happened to glance at your watch, you could > say about what time. In maybe a minute, if you were so inclined, you > could call the police to report it. > > Now police have an electronic witness that can provide similar > assistance: a device called SECURES that pinpoints the time and > location of gunshots.

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Re: Jim Bell sentencing delayed
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Greg, What's your take on repeated delay in Jim's sentencing: 1. A squeeze on Jim to finger co-conspirators. 2. Weak case, must use procedure to punish. 3. To let time served be the sentence. 4. Jim was up to something worse now being discovered (like 5 below). 5. Jim is a secret gov agent, now feet up in Tacoma IRS laughing at those who fell for suckerbait, screwball AP written by IRS as a sting (a recent book package to Jim was returned marked "Not in Jail"). 6. The court was hoodwinked by IRS, too, and the AUSA is preparing an indictment of the stingers and federal defenders and who knows who else that was in on it. 7. Secret Agent Jim is squealing on his double-crossing secret agents, cutting a deal with whoever else is double- crossing whomever. He's going down, they're going down, we're going down, the whole country's going down; Up the Revolution!

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Ooops....!
by Dirko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

That should have been cypherpunks-request(a)toad.com ... SH** sorry ... It's coffee buzz... *shake* ---------------------------------- Dirko van Schalkwyk Dead Engineers Society E-Mail: meddle(a)adept.co.za Date: 11/07/97 Time: 01:28:37 ----------------------- Movie Quotes for Willow (1988) ----------------------- Sorsha: What are you looking at? Madmartigan: Your leg. I'd like to break it. ------------- All of the following stolen from selected poeple mailing to the AfterStep mailing list ----------------------- Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly.It just happens to be very selective about who it decides to make friends with. ----------------------- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition

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Re: [news] TV station sets cybersex sting
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Vipul Ved Prakash wrote: > > *** TV station sets cybersex sting > > With cyperporn and cybersex ranking as sensational news items on > local TV stations, Fox's Los Angeles outlet has taken the trend a > step further by ensnaring adult sexual predators. KTTV's Fox 11 News > at 10 worked with a 21-year-old woman posing as a 14-year-old to > conduct cybersting operations that led to the arrests of five men. > http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=5777644-464 And Fox is going to do a similar entrapment sting on Catholic priests, right?

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Re: Taxing Churches for their views? Bad idea. (fwd)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Brandon Crosby wrote: > While I do not want a debate over tax exemptions in churches, 'Free Speech' > may very well involve supporting canidates for positions in a democracy. > This is the very basis for elections. However, one begins to question this > reasoning when a church leader attempts to get into the government, using > the church's tax exemptions, for either support of the church, support of > self, or some illegal (or, at least, unethical) mix. The problem, as I see it, is that the laws regarding political donations and resulting political activity are different from the laws regarding church donations, thus leading to the Christian Right using the differences to bypassing the restrictions that are placed on organizations registered as political groups. If 'Joe's Whorehouse and Illegal Drug Emporium' were to engage in the same types of political activities that the 'We Wear Halos Church' did, they would be subject to arrest and imprisonment for a wide variety of violations of electoral law. Vote-Reality is that most politicians would no sooner oppose a totally unconstitutional law that promises to 'save the life of a single child', than they would promote the prosecution of the 'good guys' for doing 'bad things'. Churches hold the same favored 'good guy' status as policemen who violate the civil rights of 'bad' citizens. > Should churches be tax exempt? Without their long history of helping people, > I doubt they would have any benifits. However, even if their privillige was > removed, they would simply be able to donate less money to community causes. Churches, like governments, corporations, or any other organized entity, have some wonderful people in them, doing wonderful things. The problem, as always, is what our founding fathers realized--these types of organizations/structures tend to grow and attain power which is then used for the purpose of self-sustained growth (survival). Humanity tends to evolve, while organized humanity tends to de-volve. Biped humans, walking upright, form organizations which move toward becoming quadrapeds dragging large clubs. Most of the issues/problems discussed on the Cypherpunks list are often dealt with in terms of a combination of 'the way things are' vs. 'the way things should be' vs. 'the way things are becoming'. My view is that things have become so askew that any one of the above, or any of them in combination, are not adequate for dealing with what is to come in the near future. The statement of one of the founding fathers, in regard to needing a revolution every twenty years, or so, should be considered in the light of the history of 'forest fires.' Forest fires know that there should be a 'revolution every twenty years' but humans do not. In our foolish wisdom, we decide to intervene in the natural course of things, to 'make things better'. We then proceed to put the natural balance so far out of askew that, once we have 'saved' the forests by not allowing forest kindling to burn for a hundred years, the Forest Stock Market undergoes a major 'correction'. The structure of American government, electoral laws, charitable tax deductions, etc., are not inherently evil in themselves. The problem is that they have all been subject to interference with the basic underlying concepts, in efforts to improve them with a 'more is better' mentality, that they are all ripe for burning. ["Welfare (charity) has resulted in many positive benefits. Hey! I have a good idea! Let's put _everyone_ on welfare!] The structure of government/laws/society is very similar to that of the Internet, with everything being linked in ways that become increasingly complex once individual entities decide that things need to be done a 'certain way' in their own self-interest, instead of in the needs of the underlying infrastructure. The problems multiply as the number of entities deciding which 'certain' way is the 'right' way becomes smaller. "Spam is bad. _I_ am going to _save_ everyone from spam. Flames aren't so good, either. I'd better save you from 'flames' as well. What constitutes a flame? Well, it all begins with disagreement and, since I decide what is and is not a flame, I guess that a flame could be defined as disagreement with _me_!" ("In order to save the list from spam, we had to destroy the list.") Now that we are all aware of the disruptive manipulations of the Evil Dr. Vulis, perhaps he has changed his online persona to that of 'Jodi Hoffman'. (:>} NukeReality! ~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Springer/Gates Merger
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CANADIAN NUTLY NEWS: [CNN, Bienfait, Saskatchewan] BAR OWNERS at the Coaldust Saloon, in violation of Canadian bartender/customer confidentiality laws, revealed details of a planned merger between Micro$oft and the Jerry Springer Show. Computer magnate Bill Gates has signed a secret deal with Jerry Springer to host a variety of WebTV productions which will be InterActive variations on the 'Terminal Man' theme. Springer, upset over the news media outcry over his proposed move toward bringing his Barnum & Baily act into the mainstream news forum, plans to take his revenge by using Micro$oft's domination in the lowest-common-denominator market to parlay his lack of good taste and journalistic ethics into a full-scale assasult on the elitest mainstream news media which continues to ignore the real desires of the general public. Philip R. Zimmerman, former head of PGP, Inc., announced his new position as Publicity Representative for 'New Reality Productions' by saying, "Daddy always told me, 'If you're going to sell out a little, you might as well sell out a lot--and make the BIG bucks.'" PRZ told gathered reporters that the increasing interest shown by television viewers in shows such as 'The World's Scariest Police Chases' threatened the growing popularity of the InterNet as the medium of the future. Zimmerman said, "The virtual reality of TV and the movies has always been a harbringer of the virtual future. The success of Terminal Man showed that the future was in snuff-flicks, and Police Chases was the natural movement of that theme into the trend toward Real TV." PRZ added, "The InterActive capabilities of the InterNet will allow the Gates/Springer merger to give the viewers the ability to get personally involved in the decisions as to who lives and who dies." New technologies which enable law enforcement agencies to activate kill-switches in fleeing automobiles have been abandoned in favor of technologies which allow the home viewer to use joysticks to control the movement of the criminal's vehicle and those of their police pursuers. Zimmerman defended the use of the new technology by saying, "Sure, snuff-flicks used to be illegal, but so did gambling and drinking. 'New Reality Productions' is just following the money." The beta-testing of the new technology took place on the CypherPunks mailing list, where list subscribers were given the opportunity to actively participate in the second 'moderation experiment' on the list by using their accumulated Moral Majority Reputation Credits to kill undesirable posts to the list. Chief CypherPunks Spokesperson, Jodi Hoffman, said that putting control of the list in the hands of the lowest common denominator had stemmed the "downward spiral" of the mailing list and that the Christian CypherPunks mailing list was a definite improvement over the original non-Christian-Jew infested CDR list. "Once we got rid of the Christkillers and the Commies," Hoffman proclaimed, "the list postings trickled down to two or three a day, but if it saves the life of just one child..."

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