December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

NAMBLA embattled -- mirror sites?
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Folks on f-c and cypherpunks have mirrored holocaust revisionist web pages, banned books, and censored newspapers. Now I understand that NAMBLA is in danger of losing its home on the web. Anyone up for mirroring the (text-only) publications of perhaps the world's most controversial organization? -Declan

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Re: poverty traps (Re: Sa (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: harka(a)nycmetro.com > Date: 25 Oct 1997 16:09:58 EDT > Subject: Re: poverty traps (Re: Sa > Although my statement was deliberately somewhat exaggerated, it is > not that far from reality for quite a few people I know. > > A real-life example: > Is she to be called "stupid" and "selfish" because she's poor > despite her efforts??? > > I don't think so. She, btw., is not the only person I know > struggeling in this manner from one month into the next, barely > being able to even catch up on bills. I know quite few people in that sort of situation. > Neither does she have a free choice of employers. There is only one > board of education in the City. Changing for a private school would > come with (at least a temporary) pay-cut, that she obviously can't > afford. I must disagree there. She has the qualifications to obtain employment in may corporations and such. As a matter of fact, unless she happens to be inequivicaly wedded to live in her current abode have her send me her resume. I will be quite happy to submit it to the H/R department at Tivoli (an IBM company I admit) for a position in our training department (last time I checked they had like 90 positions they wanted to fill globaly). I can guarantee the cost of living is somewhat lower than NY here in Texas and her pay will most likely be higher than current. There is also the opportunity for global travel if she is interested and were to get hired. Sending out resumes is cheap, about $.40 a company. > Therefore: > > Since she isn't the only person I can think of, who is in such a > position, the argument formerly known as "If 'ya don't like the > company-policy [employing GAK/CAK] just leave and work for > somebody else" may now be called: "Ad Acta". Obviously this is open to alternate interpretation depending upon to what lengths the party is willing to go to change their life. Skills are what you sell not a particular job title or duty set. Complacency and despondancy can be opportunity killers. [I have attached my 'long' .sig both to include the Tivoli address and to aggravate those who bitch about the length of my 'short' .sig] "Reality is observer dependant" \ \ \\///// | | (.) (.) ===========================oOO==(_)==OOo========================== James Choate Tivoli Systems, Inc. The Armadillo Group Senior Engineer SOHO - Internet - Technology 9442 Capitol of Texas Highway North 608 E. 48th. Suite 500 Austin, TX 78751 Austin, TX 78759 Email: jchoate(a)tivoli.com Email: ravage(a)ssz.com Phone: 512-436-8893 Phone: 512-451-7087 Fax: 512-345-2784 Fax: n/a WWW: www.tivoli.com WWW: www.ssz.com Modem: n/a Modem: 512-451-7009 Pager: n/a Pager: n/a Cellular: n/a Cellular: n/a =================================================================== Political ideal: The Constitution says "Congress shall make no law..." & What happened to the 9th & 10th Amendments? Philosophy: Pantheism - the belief that everything is divine, that God is not seperate but totaly identified with the cosmos, and that God does not possess personality or transcendence. Favorite Cartoon - Danger Mouse & Mighty Mouse (the original) =================================================================== The end of our exploring will be to arrive at where we started, and to know the place for the first time. T.S. Eliot =================================================================== Adopt, adapt, improvise! Anonymous =================================================================== For a succesful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled. Richard Feynman =================================================================== Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question. Thomas Jefferson, 1st Inaugural Addr =================================================================== The Chinese icon for crisis consists of the icons for danger and opportunity. An observation by J. Choate =================================================================== You are What you do When it counts The Masao

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Use of an 'air freshener' in commission of a crime...
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

* In June, a Scripps Howard News Service reporter examined Consumer Product Safety Commission records recently made public and found that 1,823 serious injuries caused by "electronic air-fresheners" had been reported to the agency. Though the records were short on details, they included 50 cases of amputation, 46 burns, 48 scaldings, 68 poisonings, 56 "foreign-body" penetrations, and 69 "drownings." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To read these News of the Weird newspaper columns from the past six months, go to http://www.nine.org/notw/notw.html (That site contains no graphics, no photos, no video clips, no audio. Just text. Deal with it.)

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Great Balls of Fire!
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

* In April in Port Washington, Wis., Kevin Gillson, 18, was convicted of sexual assault of a child when his 15-year-old girlfriend became pregnant, despite the fact that the couple were attending parenting classes together and that Gillson said they planned to marry. Upon conviction, Gillson was barred from being around any non-adults, including the mother of his child. And Richard A. Duke Jr., 22, was jailed for 30 days in May in St. Mary's County, Md., for having sex with the 15-year-old girl whom he had married in the interim between arrest and conviction. Nonetheless, a judge ordered Duke, thus as a sex offender, to stay away from the girl, even though she is his wife.

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Shit happened...
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

* The Michigan Court of Appeals in April ruled, on a technicality, in favor of a prison inmate who had tossed a cup of liquified feces in the face of a guard. Alphonso Gaines, 34, already serving time for assault, could not be punished further, said the court, because the prosecutors forgot to prove that Gaines was "lawfully" incarcerated in the Ionia facility at the time he threw the feces. Prosecutor Gail Hitchcock was incensed: "Did they think we were charging someone who had sneaked into prison?" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To read these News of the Weird newspaper columns from the past six months, go to http://www.nine.org/notw/notw.html (That site contains no graphics, no photos, no video clips, no audio. Just text. Deal with it.)

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Terry Nichols gets new court-appointed lawyer...
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

* Defense lawyer Phillip Robertson, intending to make a dramatic point in front of the jury at his client's robbery trial in Dallas, Tex., in June, pointed the 9mm pistol used in the crime toward the jury box, causing two jurors to fling their arms in front of their faces and others to gasp audibly. Though Robertson was arguing that his client should be sentenced only to probation, the horrified jury gave him 13 years.

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None
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I don't think you know who I am, but I wrote this message. These are "my" words, but "I" am anonymous. So I am wondering - who owns these words? Who owns the words of an anonymous author, who is responsible for the actions of an unknown party, and who is to say that this is so?

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Stuff Your Momma Never Told You...
by News of the Normal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CLOSET STATISTICS DON'T LIE *Statistics International reports that since gays have come out of the closet, snap counts in football have increased an average of 40% in length (up to 70% when either the center or quarterback is named 'Bruce'.) This figure increases astronomically in College football, in cases where the center is a freshman and the quarterback is a senior who is a member of NAMBLA. (North American Man-Boy Love Association) HAS ANYBODY SEEN MY BOOTSRAPS...??? *Recent revelations revolving 'round revisionist recorrections indicate that Horatio Alger died in poverty after the S&L where his funds were deposited collapsed, the head of his pension fund was indicted, his former employer could no longer afford to support his 'lifetime' health insurance benefits, and Chelsea Clinton robbed him to buy crack cocaine as part of her homework for a Stanford 'History of Ebonics' class. IT'S A TOUGH WAY TO MAKE A LIVING *NEWS OF THE WEIRD, a nationally syndicated newspaper column founded in 1988, and distributed by Universal Press Syndicate has finally run its course, and will be discontinued in the near future. A disappointed Chuck Shepherd told reporters, "I could see that the end was coming when President Reagan's statement that 'trees cause more pollution than automobiles' became mainstream news." Shepherd went on to say, "I can no longer compete with the regular news when citizens are getting toilet plungers stuck up their ass every day, parabolically speaking. I've heard that Clinton, Reno and Freeh are now a serious threat to the comedy industry, as well. Who is going to be foolish enough to pay for our products when they can get material of greater quality and quantity free on C-Span and the front page of the Washington Post?" AUTHENTICITY: All news stories mentioned in News of the Normal are just shit we make up (or occasionally, get from supermarket tabloids in other countries or other disreputable magazines and journals). No so-called reputable news source, and no story that was not intended to spread FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Disinformation) is ever the source of a News of the Normal story. News of the Normal is not copyrighted by anyone who would admit to it in public.

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Defendants adopt Freemenspeak [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > MORE DEFENDANTS ADOPT 'FREEMENSPEAK' > > Freemen in court > > It's gibberish to the judges > > October 25, 1997 > Web posted at: 6:33 p.m. EDT (2233 GMT) > > BILLINGS, Montana (AP) -- Standing scornful and defiant, the > defendants shout their cases. They are sovereign citizens, not > subject to the court! The judges are unqualified! The lawyers are > illegal! > > "To hell with you and your kangaroo court!" one defendant bellows at > his sentencing for dealing drugs. > > The bizarre claims are trademarks of the Montana Freemen, the > militant anti-government zealots who have been jailed here, awaiting > trial, since their 81-day standoff ended 16 months ago. > > But the claims are now coming from garden-variety criminals, fellow > inmates in the Yellowstone County jail. These non-Freemen are > proving to be ardent students of the convoluted legal fantasies of > the jail's most famous residents. > > They are firing their lawyers, torpedoing their own plea agreements, > writing their own legal briefs, arguing -- and losing -- their own > cases. They are making life and work difficult, and often miserable, > for those who run the court system. > > Chief public defender Sandy Selvey calls the Freemen a plague. At > least seven clients of his office have tried "Freemenspeak" in state > court; others have tried it in federal court. > > "They're contaminating our good criminals," says District Judge > Diane Barz, who tangled with the Freemen as a federal prosecutor. > > About two dozen Freemen have been among the jail's 300 inmates since > June 13, 1996, when they surrendered after an armed, 81-day standoff > with FBI agents at their isolated farm compound in the remote > outback of eastern Montana's "Big Open." Three minor figures have > pleaded guilty, but trials for the rest won't begin until next > spring. > > The host of federal charges against them include wire and bank fraud > and threatening the life of a federal judge and other public > officials. The FBI says some 800 people from around the country > attended classes at the rural stronghold, learning to issue the > worthless liens and "warrants" that the Freemen claim are legal > tender. > > People in several states have been charged, and some convicted, of > trying to use such documents, often bearing the name of Freeman > leader Leroy Schweitzer. The Dallas Morning News reported that at > least 151 people in 23 states were under investigation for Freeman > connections. > > The Freemen's legal "philosophy" is a jumble of odds and ends from > the Bible, the U.S. Constitution, the Magna Carta and the Uniform > Commercial Code, the body of federal laws that govern interstate > financial transactions. > > They dress it up in pseudo-scholarly terms and meaningless Latin > phrases and claim, in essence, they are laws unto themselves -- and > over everyone else. > > "There are some real gaps in their education, and ... I think they > are darned close to acting like the mentally ill," Barz said. > > The Freemen commonly rant, belch, challenge the federal judges and > get banished from the courtroom to watch on closed-circuit TV as > appointed lawyers try to defend them. More conventional inmates soon > started imitating them. > > Their verbose legal filings, often prepared by Freemen, are so > peculiar that District Court Clerk Jean Thompson rejects many of > them. > > Accused wife-murderer Jerry Swinney filed a 25-page "Demand for Bill > of Particulars." Adopting the Freemen's name style -- Jerry period > comma Swinney -- it opens this way: > > "Jerry., Swinney, Affiant, hereinafter at all times relevant, > Demandant, a self-realized entity, a Man upon the free soil of the > several American independent and sovereign states, ..." > > Twenty-five eye-glazing pages later, this is how it closes: > > "NOTICE. This instrument comes under, and brings into the instant > action, the doctrines of res gestae, res ipsa loquitor, tacit > procuration, prior knowledge, willful intent, as against YOU and you > and your private characters. Further affiant sayeth not." > > County Attorney Dennis Paxinos, public defender Selvey and the > judges say the biggest problem the Freemen imitators have created is > how to protect themselves from themselves. It may be a bad idea for > them to act as their own lawyer -- but it's their legal right. > > "The judges and prosecutors seem to be as concerned with protecting > these Freeman-type people as their own attorneys are," says Deputy > County Attorney Joe Coble. "The only people who seem to want to run > roughshod over these people's rights are these people themselves." > > "The real concern I have is trying to figure out if, hidden among > the rubble of rhetoric, there's any viable complaint or issue we > really should consider," says District Judge G. Todd Baugh. > > As far as the judges can recall, that hasn't happened yet. > > "It's incredibly difficult to figure out what they're trying to > say," says District Judge Russell Fagg. > > Judges usually appoint a standby lawyer, often over the defendant's > protests. > > "Standby is the worst possible situation for a defense lawyer," > Selvey said. "You have to know all the facts, all the witnesses and > what they'll testify to, all the forensic evidence, and the > authorities the guy's going to cite. > > "And then you have to stand there and watch while he goes down in > flames." > > Copyright 1997 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This > material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or > redistributed.

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Re: Defendants adopt Freemenspeak [CNN]
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

All right, Jim, a truly uplifting thigh-slapper. All right, Freemen, go for the ranting, belching, farting lingo jumbo, it's how the law fogs who's complicit in police power ebonics.

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