December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Stronghold (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:46:14 +0200 (MET DST) > Subject: Re: Stronghold > From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) > It is becoming increasingly obvious that John Young is the real > troublemaker here. I wouldn't doubt that it was John who was > behind the original troubles between Vulis and Sameer. > I think that John Young should be forcefully unsubscribed from > the Cypherpunks mailing lists. You sir are an unmittigated ass and more than a tad immature and selfish. I will not forcefully unsubscribe anyone from the SSZ node unless cops start showing up at my door giving me shit, in which case the node might go down (hopefully temporarily). I may not like what he did but I'll be damned if I'll go back on my beliefs in free speech just because you or I don't like it. You want freedom, learn to give it even when it hurts. Grow up and learn to deal with it. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

2 1

ViaCrypt Fires Tim C. May
by ViaCrypt FiringBot 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: ViaCrypt FiringBot To: Tim C. May Dear Ms. May, We regret to inform you that your employment with ViaCrypt has been terminated, effectively immediately. In accordance with company policy we will outline the reasons for your termination below. 1. Records from your company supplied E-ZPass electronic toll booth pass indicate that you are arriving in the city over an hour before you begin work, leading us to believe that you are engaged in personal activities during this time which take away from the energy you have left to put into your company work. 2. The OnStar satellite-positioning service reports that your company supplied Cadillac was parked at the restaurant where you ate with your company supplied Visa card for an hour and ten minutes. Employees are only allowed one hour for lunch breaks. 3. The Teletrac global-positioning satellite has reported that you exceeded the speed limit twice in one day (32 mph in a 30 mph zone, and 56 mph in a 55 mph zone). 4. The passive tracking microchip on your company supplied ID card was tracked by our remote sensors in six parts of the city which we prefer that our employees not enter. 5. Your company supplied cellular phone was used to call someone not in our business database who used his MasterCard to buy condoms at a local pharmacy during a weekend when his wife used her Visa to take a trip out of town. This reflects badly on the company. 6. The company aerial drone reports that in several passes over your home, the presence of marihuana smoke was detected. 7. Surveillance of your company email indicates that you have been using company resources to include private messages such as "Have a nice day." in business email sent on company time. 8. Reports sent in to the company by the automatic modem software on your company supplied laptop indicate that you have visited websites which are not approved by CyberSitter, such as the City of SEXton community website. 9. Video surveillance of the Men's Restroom indicates that you have been wasting company resources by using more toilet paper than necessary, in relation to the amount of human waste monitored during your visits. Also, you twice failed to put the toilet seat down, as required by our company policy of sexual sensitivity. 10. Our monitoring of your user access to the company computer system shows that you accessed areas of the system which were not found to be in accordance with your security level. Our records indicate that ViaCrypt owes you $15,000,000.00 for your 1 day(s) of employment. This has been deposited in your Bank Account in Antigua, according to your wishes. Sincerely, (as sincere as a machine can be, that is) ViaCrypt FiringBot

3 3

List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ADVERTISEMENT: Proudly Sponsored by the Electronic Forgery Foundation, http://www.eff.com ADVERTISEMENT: Digicash Software - Download Today! http://www.digicrime.com I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{'cyber'} = '<alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"jam"} = "<remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek"; $remailer{"winsock"} = "<winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub reord ?"; $remailer{'nym'} = '<config(a)nym.alias.net> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"trustme"} = "<trustme(a)trustme.nsa.mil> cpunk mix pgp pgponly hash crack latent cut ek"; $remailer{"squirrel"} = "<mix(a)squirrel.owl.de> cpunk mix pgp pgponly hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{'weasel'} = '<config(a)weasel.owl.de> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"reno"} = "<middleman(a)cyberpass.net> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek reord ?"; $remailer{"cracker"} = "<remailer(a)anon.efga.org> cpunk mix remix pgp hash ksub esub latent cut ek reord post"; $remailer{'redneck'} = '<config(a)anon.efga.org> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"bureau42"} = "<remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org> cpunk mix pgp ksub hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"recovery"} = "<remailer(a)biglouie.fbi.gov> cpunk mix pgp ksub hash latent mon cut ek"; $remailer{"neva"} = "<remailer(a)neva.org> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub ?"; $remailer{"payswell"} = "<remailer(a)digicrime.com> cpunk pgp pgponly launder hash cut mon ksub ?"; $remailer{"lcs"} = "<mix(a)anon.lcs.mit.edu> mix"; $remailer{"medusa"} = "<medusa(a)weasel.owl.de> mix middle" $remailer{"McCain"} = "<mccain(a)notatla.demon.co.uk> mix middle"; $remailer{"valdeez"} = "<valdeez(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"arrid"} = "<arrid(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"hera"} = "<goddesshera(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"mulder"} = "<mulder(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"scully"} = "<scully(a)fox.fbi.gov> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"htuttle"} = "<h_tuttle(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp hash latent cut post ek"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. president(a)whitehouse.gov is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. remailer(a)crynwr.com is _not_ a remailer. There is no remailer at relay.com. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (cyber mix reno winsock) (weasel squirrel medusa) (cracker redneck) (nym lcs) (valdeez arrid hera mulder scully) The remailer list here has been out of date for some time, but should be up to date now. I'm still working on updating the web page. Last update: Mon 8 Sep 97 6:48:45 PDT remailer email address history latency uptime - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- recovery remailer(a)biglouie.fbi.gov ############ 0:01 99.99% payswell remailer(a)digicrime.com ############ 0:01 99.99% trustme trustme(a)trustme.nsa.mil ************ 0:59 99.99% mulder mulder(a)juno.com #*#*##*#*#*# 0:57 99.98% nym config(a)nym.alias.net ####**+#-## 7:03 99.95% hera goddesshera(a)juno.com ----_.---.. 14:56:18 99.95% cyber alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net *+*****++**+ 11:30 99.93% squirrel mix(a)squirrel.owl.de ----------- 3:17:57 99.83% scully scully(a)fox.fbi.gov +-+-+-+-+-+- 0:57 101.00% valdeez valdeez(a)juno.com -__.-*+*-.- 7:50:19 99.81% winsock winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net -----_..---* 10:10:24 99.81% bureau42 remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org ..--------- 3:33:37 99.31% arrid arrid(a)juno.com -- -------- 7:27:32 99.15% kgbvax remailer(a)kgbvax.demos.su . -- .. --- 99:59:59 19.84% neva remailer(a)neva.org -+*#+*--* # 25:21 98.45% jam remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca + ++++++ 39:06 97.23% cracker remailer(a)anon.efga.org + +++ +++ 28:43 97.10% replay remailer(a)replay.com +**-++ +** 9:49 96.75% redneck config(a)anon.efga.org -*+* ++# 10:58 96.60% reno middleman(a)cyberpass.net ++..+ * -- 2:32:31 84.34% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com **+*++*+ 1:14:29 58.44% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. launder Supports Matt Blaze's Packet-Laundry: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. escrow Provides message backup services to prevent accidental loss. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNDg5r0TMP00JT6s3EQKSngCdF5V1Ecd5ZA3Xa0gYUDHmHaklorAAn2os muMxWPxHj2VmK9uYtACtZhHx =eWmu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

1 0

Re: Stronghold
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Young wrote: > Dimitri, out with Stronghold's fault, if you've got it. C2, cut the > legal bluff, it stinks. The badmouthing by both of you is the same old > toxic waste -- and may mean the two of you're are now in cahoots > to boost each other's shoddy goods and hide the faults behind a > phony dispute, like 50 years of mock competitive Ameri-Russky > junk national security communist-capitalist racketeering so beloved > by die-hard globalist TLAs of business and government. It is becoming increasingly obvious that John Young is the real troublemaker here. I wouldn't doubt that it was John who was behind the original troubles between Vulis and Sameer. I think that John Young should be forcefully unsubscribed from the Cypherpunks mailing lists. YoungMonger

5 5

1110: Home-Based Email Processors Required....
by emailprofits＠mail3.c-flash.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Earn $14.95 for every email you process for us. GUARANTEED! Dear Sir/Madam, This announcement concerns an online employment opportunity currently available with our company. If the idea of earning an excellent income using your home or office computer appeals to you, then please review this brief article. If you find this article of no benefit to you, we apologize for our intrusion. To be removed, hit reply with 'remove' in the subject. ================================================= Home-Based Email Processors Needed Immediately!! ================================================= Please be assured that this is NOT an invitation to participate in an illegal chain letter scheme. Neither is this an invitation to join a network/multi-level marketing program. We are offering a unique, legitimate home-based employment opportunity. As an Email processor for our company, you'll work out of your home or office using our exclusive FREE, "no-catch" turnkey software package. There's NO personal selling involved. There's NO sending out bulk email. We are in the Software Distribution and Publishing business. Our products have worldwide appeal. In order to expand our business globally in the shortest possible time, we need home-based Email processors all across North America, Europe, Australia and Asia RIGHT NOW!! Our EXCLUSIVE turnkey software package is all you need to do your daily duties. The work can be done full or part time. Your earnings is based on the hours you put in to the work. By devoting few hours a week, you'll be able to add handsomely to your present income. With a full time effort, your income may even exceed your expectations. If you are interested in this position, and would like to find out more about the pay structure, and the duties involved, please link to: http://204.137.223.80/master/email.html OR http://www3.c-flash.net/~emailprofits/email.html If you're having difficulties connecting, you may request a detailed information report and an application form by hitting REPLY with "MORE INFO" in the subject line. Thank you for your attention. Sincerely, Angie Steele Global Marketing Services

1 0

Re: FCPUNX:The Sovereign Individual - ignorant authors
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:12 PM 10/9/97 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > This chapter deals with various aspects of social issues (eg rise of > national languages) and how they led to the growth of nationalism in > general. Toward the end of the chapter (pp. 265 in the hardback) these > idiots (don't know a better term) actualy have the audactity to claim that > Stephen Jay Gould is a neo-creationist, This appears to me to be an accurate depiction of Stephen Jay Gould's views. He claims that humans are fundamentally different from other animals in this regard, and has frequently been ridiculed on this account. I have read some of his writings, for which he was ridiculed, and the ridicule and contempt appears justified to me. > The author of this section has apparently never read a word that Gould has > written. Gould is known as a leading supporter of Punctuated Equilibria and > its various spawn, I have read a fair bit of Gould. His work on the evolution of non humans is perfectly plausible though controversial. His work on humans is shear crap and is not regarded by the relevant experts in the relevant fields as legitimate science. In his field, he is a innovator. Outside his field, he is a crackpot, similar to the flat earthers and the people who claim that Socrates was black, demonstrating that even trained scientists can degenerate into nuttery when they go beyond their area of expertise. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

1 0

Re: CAK as a really bad form of corporate networking
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Tim May wrote: >My conclusion is that PGP for Business does very little for real >corporate access in "hit by a truck" situations, as most of these >critical files (fill in the blanks , but thinkof chip design files, >source code for programs , lab notebooks , etc .) are simplyNOT ever >e-mailed. And if they are e -mailed , this is completelya tertiary >issue. One should also ask who is managing the company and why. It is never a good policy to leave important components of the company in the hands of particular people for long periods of time. While people die relatively infrequently, they do often become frustrated or angry and leave the company. For instance, one really has to ask what is going on when a programmer doesn't check in his or her code for six months. And one really has to wonder how useful that code is going to be to anyone. My policy has been to discard half completed work when people leave. It's just cheaper to start anew than to clean up and debug undocumented code which nobody understands. In general, the case where "important documents" have to be retrieved from a departed employee's desk or computer are fairly uncommon. And the case where it is necessary to intercept a departed employee's e-mail is pretty much non-existent. >So who is the real customer for PGP for Business and its form of >plaintext recovery? I am looking forward to hearing the precise mechanisms behind PGP, Inc.'s change in tune. Were some of those investors shills? In terms of governmental expenditures, it would cost nothing to flood PGP with great investment deals. It would probably cost less than Clipper itself. And all of the former troublemakers can be quietly ridden down and finally trained to accept the saddle of good stock deals and contractual obligations. If that was the mechanism, it's pretty slick and to be admired by sportsmen everywhere. It is the sense of Monty Cantsin that a number of readers of the list are downplaying PGP Inc.'s actions because they hold the character of certain people involved with the company in high regard. This is probably an error. Character must be judged by actions. The actions are clear. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBND6DcJaWtjSmRH/5AQEDGwf+Pl0xusD2oBzrqOFkBrV92NHswJJ6VbuQ akNVAaBz+gNnXy2Zt7Pfa09nqibW9qbzd3pbJh8v7djOwtqQSJXN7uZA0JVF2mii oLR5jwh9bpNRSvElaJLRmcGMY3RKighl1rcwfxAjbmJjEI6nSjcaELPNpPCMZEfT cEehlxC5R4f9oikQJc4VNg/MVo89P9ckT9wtbdd4S4ZOFArxHvGlw+bW/hwlpDNE fIZBy8BlJqir+BSZGLkSwOOvuAwozMCQSM/VFj6aDNiNTA3bQ8xHGyaapRci7dVX ZleOrYWsdAt25R9yt79T9Mcu8tKuvbfl245gxHSrOReODG89gOT/vw== =FLvb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

1 0

GAK, CAP, "escrow", "recovery" -- Minitru has us so confused we fight amongst ourselves
by Zooko Journeyman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The whole goal of the hijacking of the phrase "key escrow" to camoflage GAK was to obscure the difference between voluntary and involuntary participation. Unfortunately, while Clipper and successors have been policy failures, that initial push to conquer important conceptual ground has been a devastating success. Now good guys from both sides of the PGP CAP debate appear to have forgotten this essential distinction. Jon, I started reading your list of ways that PGP CAP differs from USG GAK, and it was about "software versus hardware" or something. Screw that-- is it voluntary or is it not? Of course it is voluntary. PGP, Inc. has no deal with USG or any other agency to the effect that user's secrets will be involuntarily (by threat, force or secrecy) copied. So forget about all those details and make the point-- PGP helps people control their own data, including voluntarily sharing their data with others. This is almost entirely unrelated to GAK. One more time for the slow folks at home (journalists especially, listen up!): Escrow is when you voluntarily choose to share your property with someone else, especially as part of a business contract that you have with that person to the effect that she won't use your property for anything but will merely hold your property in order to give it back to you or to a third party in response to certain events transpiring. The word "escrow", coined sometime in the 16th or early 17th centuries, has held this meaning and only this meaning throughout the intervening centuries. Someone getting access to your secrets against your will, whether by trickery, threat of force, or burglary is not escrow. At least, not until the USG deliberately chose to abuse that word to throw a mask of legitimacy upon its rotten idea of mandatory wiretapping for all digital communication. Damn, but it is frustrating to see such a bare-faced newspeak gambit succeed so brilliantly against otherwise literate people. Everyone should read George Orwell's paper on (ab)use of language in politics. None of the examples he cites are nearly as worthy of Minitru as is this single conceptual hijacking. Regards, Zooko P.S. Of course there are subtleties that I omitted from this rant. It wouldn't be a good rant if I calmly enumerated the various legitimate perspectives now would it? Maybe PGP CAP is a bad idea. Maybe it will lead to GAK. Maybe corporations are a bad idea. Maybe they will lead to governments. But whether or no, use of PGP and PGP features (including escrow features) is voluntary. GAK is not voluntary. GAK is not escrow. Please help me put a stake through the heart of this vile meme.

1 0

Re: FCPUNX:The Sovereign Individual - ignorant authors (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:28:31 -0700 (PDT) > From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> > Subject: Re: FCPUNX:The Sovereign Individual - ignorant authors > At 11:12 PM 10/9/97 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > > This chapter deals with various aspects of social issues (eg rise of > > national languages) and how they led to the growth of nationalism in > > general. Toward the end of the chapter (pp. 265 in the hardback) these > > idiots (don't know a better term) actualy have the audactity to claim that > > Stephen Jay Gould is a neo-creationist, > > This appears to me to be an accurate depiction of Stephen Jay Gould's > views. He claims that humans are fundamentally different from other > animals in this regard, and has frequently been ridiculed on this account. > > I have read some of his writings, for which he was ridiculed, and the > ridicule and contempt appears justified to me. Well apparently you didn't comprehend what he was saying any better than the authors of the book or your experts. However, I have no intention of bringing this discussion onto the list past this responce. If you, or anybody else, would like to see Gould's refutation of this claim in his own words then refer to: Scientist Confront Creationism ed. L.R. Godfrey ISBN 0-393-30154-0 Chpt. 8. Darwin's Untimely Burial - Again! pp. 139 This volume is a collection of articles by 15 of the top evolutionary theorist (not all biologist) in the field. Worth the $7.95 this little book costs. You might also want to read "The Mismeasure of Man" (again). > I have read a fair bit of Gould. His work on the evolution of non humans is > perfectly plausible though controversial. > > His work on humans is shear crap and is not regarded by the relevant experts > in the relevant fields as legitimate science. [rhetorical questions, please don't send responces] So your premise is that the evolutionary processes which form non-humans are not the same forces acting on humans? You seriously mis-understand not only Gould but modern evolutionary theory in toto. Sounds like you and not Gould have embraced neo-creationism. What relevant experts? THE relevent expert in evolutionary biology is Ernst Meyr. Are you claiming that Meyr doesn't know what he is talking about? Gould's premise, supported by Meyr and most other evolutionary biologist, is that the human being is in fact a radicaly different animal than all others. Not because of some magical force of transcendance but rather a easily understand mechanism. The increase of cerebral capacity in concert with exo-cerebral capacity (ie memory outside the brain), abstract thinking, and language provide humans the tools to escape the purely evolutionary process. Gould's claim, and what pisses so many people off, is that man has reached a point where the major force in future development is NOT evolutionary processes. It is quite similar to what happens when you have 10 computers sitting in a room and what happens when those 10 computers are networked and given large hard-drives. You don't get evolution, you get revolution. [that's as close to relevancy to this list as I can manage] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

1 0

Attitude and Assumptions (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:00:24 -0700 > From: Jon Callas <jon(a)pgp.com> > Subject: Attitude and Assumptions > Crypto is a tool, and nigh any useful tool can be misused. If we let that > fact stop us from making tools, we'd be using nerf axes and dressing in > bubble wrap. If we let the fact that bad guys are using our stuff bother us > too much, we'd be against privacy. Tis better to let 10 guilty men go free than to imprison a single innocent man. > the Red Cross in that the Red Cross gives medical attention to everyone, The Red Cross is a non-profit organization that supplies support and aid to both sides. PGP Inc. does not - you don't make tools that crack crypto. Bad analogy. > The next thing that bugs me is that the government has us so scared of our > shadows that we look askance at anything that might make crypto > mass-market. Can't say that I am motivated by this particular meme. I am ecstatic that the company I work for in my day job (Tivoli Inc.) is coming out with a series of security and crypto related products to be implimented by our customers on a global enterprise level. None of which support GAK or backdoors. Now whether our parent company IBM will have the cajones to carry through on it is another question entirely. Exactly how we are going to sell these products over-seas does concern me, especialy since our product is used by many large corporations for enterprise managment in other countries besides Canada or the US and they regularly use our Courier product to distribute data across national borders (not to mention some pretty big ponds). > The sorts who inhabit the nightmares of tech-support > people are going to take at least one more turn of the wheel of Maya to get > it. There are at least 10-12 people at Tivoli tech-support who 'have got it'. > I think a lot of people here think that blade guards on crypto in any form > is stark moral evil. If those blade guards keep me from getting a close shave then they shouldn't be there. > I believe that the central thesis of crypto-freedom is that it doesn't > matter if a document is on paper or in a text file; it doesn't matter if a > conversation is on the phone or in a restaurant. The medium doesn't matter. > My papers and effects have the same protection on a disk as on paper itself. Exactly, it's the message that is protected NOT the media. > The last thing that really, really bugs me is the hostility that's directed > towards PGP Inc. because now we're an Inc. Congratulations and best wishes on your future. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

1 0