December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Jim Bell 4
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I spoke briefly this afternoon with Kelly Miller, the clerk of the district court handling Jim's case, and Peter Avenia, the federal defender appointed to represent him. Not much news and no new documents have been released. Jim is still in jail and will remain until the grand jury indicts or not -- within 30 days, I believe. According to Avenia, the Magistrate Arnold decided to hold Jim at a detention hearing a week ago Friday. That the magistrate chose to do so after hearing the complaining agent's allegations of Jim's danger to the public and even though a pre-trial services report favored Jim's release. Avenia's offer to carefully monitor Jim if he was released was declined. Avenia would not disclose much beyond explaining federal procedures, citing client confidentiality. However, he said that during the hearing emphasis was given to AP in assessing Jim's threat to the public. Miller and Avenia were cordial. Here're telephone numbers: Kelly Miller: 1-253-593-6754 Peter Avenia: 1-253-593-6710

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Re: okc trial
by Kirk Fort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- he has been convicted on the 11 (I believe) federal employees. He has yet be tried on the other 156. I believe that the state of Oklahoma is going to prosecute that case. The 11 deaths should be enough though, for the maximum penalty. Kirk - ---------- > From: lucifer Anonymous Remailer <lucifer(a)dhp.com> > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: okc trial > Date: Monday, June 02, 1997 9:16 PM > > Kirk Fort wrote: > > I hope Tim McVeigh frys. His friend Terry too. > > The country needs to be sent a strong message that the lives in OKC > were much more valuable than those in Waco. > McVeigh is only guilty of 167 counts of murder. One of those killed > in the blast was a Branch Davidian. (McVeigh will receive a government > paycheck for that death.) > > TruthMonger > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBM5N1PFigvzmuAps5AQGJfAL/d70nJJzk69/Cq1JJWxlxA0SGr8EVWA32 vgpuwuAwHgdiwClSFGFexou6vNkLQW+92OvKPK0j/5NsPq6jtR4eYNaNpKOKfE+a xQxk3oQHrwco2ZwEdaCAGO1Wm7Ut7oPE =nuP8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Webpage picketing?...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I have been looking at how to impliment picketing on the web. To date I have been unable to come up with a way to force a connection to one machine to go through a third machine in order to express some view about the original target. This idea came to me while watching some folks picket a local grocer over something I couldn't make out (the signs were poorly done). It occured to me that since one could argue that the links between sites are public avenues a site could 'picket' another site. The question became at this point, how? So far I have been unable to figure a way out. Any ideas you might care to share with us all? _______________________________________________________________________ | | | No people do so much harm as those who go about doing good. | | | | Mandell Creighton | | | | Jim Choate ravage(a)ssz.com | | The Armadillo Group www.ssz.com | | Austin, Texas, USA 512-451-7087 | |_______________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Remove this link immediately (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From don(a)tinaja.com Mon Jun 2 20:49:50 1997 Message-ID: <33937E16.2BE(a)tinaja.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 19:14:46 -0700 From: Don Lancaster <don(a)zekes.com> Reply-To: don(a)zekes.com Organization: Synergetics X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Choate <ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com> Subject: Re: Remove this link immediately References: <199706022354.SAA13080(a)einstein.ssz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Choate wrote: > > Hi Don, > > > Your hackers resource page contains a link to my GURU'S LAIR WEB site > > at http://www.tinaja.com > > I don't have a hackers resource page, I do small office - home office > consulting. > > > > > Please remove this link. > > Please do so immediately. > > Short answer, no. If you don't want links to it don't put it on the net. > > > > > -- > > > > Don Lancaster > > > > Synergetics Press 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 > > Voice phone: (520) 428-4073 email: don(a)tinaja.com > > Visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com > > > > Know your acronymns: url = utterly rancid location > > net = not entirely true > > www = world wide wait > > > > Jim Choate > CyberTects > ravage(a)ssz.com Your actions constitute criminal libel. You will be treated accordingly. -- Many thanks, Don Lancaster Synergetics Press 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 Voice phone: (520) 428-4073 email: don(a)tinaja.com Visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com Know your acronymns: url = utterly rancid location net = not entirely true www = world wide wait

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Re: Remove this link immediately
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi Don, > > Jim Choate wrote: > > > > Hi Don, > > > > > Your hackers resource page contains a link to my GURU'S LAIR WEB site > > > at http://www.tinaja.com > > > > I don't have a hackers resource page, I do small office - home office > > consulting. > > > > > > > > Please remove this link. > > > Please do so immediately. > > > > Short answer, no. If you don't want links to it don't put it on the net. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Don Lancaster > > > > > > Synergetics Press 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 > > > Voice phone: (520) 428-4073 email: don(a)tinaja.com > > > Visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com > > > > > > Know your acronymns: url = utterly rancid location > > > net = not entirely true > > > www = world wide wait > > > > > > > Jim Choate > > CyberTects > > ravage(a)ssz.com > > > Your actions constitute criminal libel. > You will be treated accordingly. > -- > Many thanks, > > Don Lancaster > > Synergetics Press 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 > Voice phone: (520) 428-4073 email: don(a)tinaja.com > Visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com > > Know your acronymns: url = utterly rancid location > net = not entirely true > www = world wide wait > No more so than your trying to decide what bookstore might carry the magazines your articles appear in. Further more, even if your page were commercial access only that would in no way prohibit me from linking to it, unless you care to claim that a library or used bookstore with a computerized listing of your articles constitutes libel (it doesn't). Give me a break and go pick a fight you can win. And if you are serious please enough with the vailed threats, just give me your lawyers name and number like a good little boy. _______________________________________________________________________ | | | Speak the truth, but leave immediately after. | | | | Slovenian Proverb | | | | Jim Choate ravage(a)ssz.com | | The Armadillo Group www.ssz.com | | Austin, Texas, USA 512-451-7087 | |_______________________________________________________________________|

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Re: McVeigh
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5OLyI9Co1n+aLhhAQFwwQP/UjaOJsK5+H2C+/lvlzqHOmWpBtoBiWv5 j41u1jFpl7z8U5Tzdw6k3TZ9NgWfbtrGoKB+0tvGpGElWrh0zxCWJ5EaQGrfDKtg UsuErzl9wzqBLZNo7vzUaRFxdOI6cbO+MxP/Xg5rv4Smka9sS6XekRu/v/cxnhwB zjkchBbPvV8= =OZyz -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: McVeigh
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5OLu49Co1n+aLhhAQEtRwP/eQV8Ecl4fsxFgAYCLXjR1SaMnhbi5uXp QoiO18fNJ0bPfNmuVP7s57BvBbwilEvXZSHDT3HfHFOxQxM/YIujoB2QmNma3gex kZxkGj+B2AXxEofZvLgq1o5t5k/mKU9LhMQzNMyXkWGk9hCXda2M+0+2QRXWFoav qfLdvgchNaA= =7ck9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: McVeigh
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5OLrY9Co1n+aLhhAQFC8wQAxmU7M6fL3U9gpFmd6kD1vSzf0twOaLnA wo1cEeO40VNyO45YeoZmZd/dLUl5LCgbyOR7MeKV8LTY9pFIxzeOdJwpoM+KT6z0 2gjBniplzhHYrq25opR3tqkxenooIO+zsNN+bulYF9XIv3wIi+zGwEnCLZn/VR8h xGQl6RhrwaM= =z+h5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Webpage picketing?...
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Peter Trei wrote: > Jim Choate wrote: > > I have been looking at how to impliment picketing on the web. To date I have > > been unable to come up with a way to force a connection to one machine to go > > through a third machine in order to express some view about the original > > target. > > > > It occured to me > > that since one could argue that the links between sites are public avenues a > > site could 'picket' another site. The question became at this point, how? > Jim: > You may dislike > one of the sites linking to yours, but you really can't hijack their > connections and force people to listen to you who don't want to. Wrong! It's done every day in every media from newspapers to TV and points in between, including the InterNet. > Imagine if you could! Anyone who dislikes any other page on the > web could block access Like CyberSitter, for instance. They can keep your child from using the local library computer to access Humane Society pages and animal rights groups because they have the word "bitch" on their websites. > There are two things you *can* do. (With Peter's approval, but many more things you can do with my approval.) > 1. You can put a disclaimer on your page "If you linked here from > XXX.XXX.XXX, please be aware that I object to that connection for > the following reasons..." "...and I have uploaded a virus to your machine. Have a nice day." > 2. If you or your webmaster have any kind of technical > sophistication, you can force links to your page to go to a CGI > script, which uses the HTTP-referrer: header to provide different > pages depending on the source of the connection. "You have linked to the CHILD PORNOGRAPHY Home Page." "Information regarding your sexual proclivities will be forwarded to the FBI, the local religious and law enforcement authorities in your home town, as well as to your employer and known associates." "Have a nice day." > But please, don't try to extend the 'information superhighway' > (blech!) metaphor to include virtual sidewalks with picketing > rights Please, do! There is not a day goes by where government and corporate entities do not promote legislation or software standards, etc., which are designed to influence what we may and may not see, as well as in what manner we perceive it. There is no reason that the individual cannot work in their own way to counter activities that they see as working against their own personal interests. It is possible to promote a wide range of "links" to web pages which are "spoofs" of another page or which link to the page but do so by opening them in a window which has surrounding windows revealing contradictory opinons, links, etc. Provide a link to the "Pretty Lousy Privacy" homepage, but add a window which mentions that your ten year old son cracked their cryptography program. Provide a pointer to a copy of the latest crypto legislation, which you have "translated" to include phrases such as, "despite its blantant unconstitutionality" and "in order to shear the sheeple." You are under no obligation to produce links or pointers, or to respond to links or pointers to your own site, in a manner that runs contrary to your own self-interest, or which allow those following those links to do so with blind faith that they will receive information slanted only toward a pre-conceived view of the world. Someone posted a URL to a web page "spoof" done by a number of cypherpunks (Hal Finney??,??) who had placed a number of options such as "Click here to destroy your hard-drive.", etc. on the site. It was a very Zen koan type of page which made one think about what they were doing and the possibilities of what the web page authors were/could-be doing. Click on a link that states, "Click here to see Hot, Teenage Sluts" and you are likely to end up at hotmail.com, adding to their list of spammees. To join the Dorthy Denning fan club, send email to majordomo(a)toad.com with a message body that says "subscribe cypherpunks." One can change the content of another's message when replying to an email: > Peter Trei > Disclaimer: The above represents the opinion of the people who > are holding my family hostage. or invent whatever "facts" suit their purpose: "Dr. Vulis is a murdering Armenian and Jim Choate sends the ASCII art spams to the list. These are well-known facts to which they have admitted in the past." I have a lot of respect for Peter's work, opinions and for his integrity, but my perception is that he fails to understand that the InterNet is a growing mosaic which can and should reflect *all* of life, and that his perception of what the InterNet is and should be somehow dictates what should and should not be done on the InterNet. I think that what should be done on the InterNet is exactly what people *want* to do. It is up to their own conscience as to whether their actions are done with integrity and up to the rest of us to interpret and respond to those actions. Tim May replied to someone on the list that a subject header he had used was "guilty(?)" of being inflammatory, and that he had used it for that very reason, to draw attention to his post. Is this manipulative? It is the way life works. I used Peter Trei and others' software for the DES Challenge, but I posted a suggestion to the list that perhaps their programs contained subterfuge designed to thwart others in their attempts to find the secret keys. Was I spreading FUD? The responses to my post gave me much more information about the processes behind the software than any direct inquiries I had made about their workings. (And they reinforced the fact that "blind trust" in their programs or anyone else's is foolish.) In short, I do not see Jim's concept of "picketing" web sites to be lacking in ethics, any more than Dr. Vulis' "rants" or John Gilmore's "unsubscribing" of the good Doctor or Tim May's "prodding" of our attention by his choice of subject headers. Each of us is responsible for interpreting and analyzing the information we access whether it says the king is wearing clothes or the king is naked. I could put a pointer to Peter's software which opens an adjoining window which warns that it may be compromised as a result of ulterior motives. The fact is, however, that Peter might himself put a disclaimer on his page saying, "If you can't read code, then you can't be certain of what my software is doing." (As a matter of fact, I believe his documentation mentions that there is no guarantee his logic is not in error.) And in the extreme case of anti-abortionists intercepting the email of pro-choice groups and inserting "Abortion is Murder!" messages--if the person receiving the message can't figure out that something is amiss, then maybe its not a good idea for them to be having children, anyway. (maybe) TruthMonger (maybe not) To view the contents of the whitehouse.gov hard drive: http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/carljohn/

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CA dig sig
by Lee Tien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 01:21:59 -0400 >From: Ben Wright <Ben_Wright(a)compuserve.com> >Subject: California signature regs >To: CA-DIGSIG <CA-DIGSIG(a)commerce.net> > >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >This message was addressed to: ca-digsig(a)lists.commerce.net >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > >See <http://www.ss.ca.gov/digsig/digsig.htm>. The California Secretary of >State proposes regulations under California's digital signature act. The >regs allow for two types of technologies -- public key crypto and signature >dynamics (a method for securely binding measurements of a handwritten >autograph to an electronic document). > >--Ben Wright >Author, The Law of Electronic Commerce ><http://infohaus.com/access/by-seller/Benjamin_Wright> >Ben_Wright(a)compuserve.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 5.0 beta Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBM5OjBrk2KqHYSFEtEQIZlgCg54ppki6gxo85Iz4jrGVWptpfDKgAoPHi YNkQ6Z+NMo/f7sieToDJje4Z =zH6K -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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