December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: NEWS.COM - Rumor Mill
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Not a rumor -- it's true. Crowell was wandering around wondering what was going on. The excuse was that ~60 votes were scheduled on the Senate floor yesterday. -Declan At 14:26 -0700 6/26/97, Alan Olsen wrote: >No Freeh lunch? > > >http://www.news.com/Rumors/0,29,,00.html > >At the end of the article... > >While hackers were getting busy, the crypto honchos were >getting dissed in D.C. Apparently, a group of bigwigs, >including Louis Freeh of the FBI, William Crowell of NSA, >Peter Neumann of SRI, and Ray Ozzie of Lotus, flew all the >way out to the nation's capital for a Senate Judiciary >Committee hearing on cryptography, only to be informed 20 >minutes before the meeting that it had been canceled. >Grumbling ensued as the various participants stormed back >to Dulles airport. The meeting may pick up after the July 4 >recess.

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The Right 2 Bare Arms
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The unknowed soldier writes: > What a fascinating idea! The govt. has declared code to be munitions (arms); > the Second Amendment guarantees the right to "keep and bear arms." > Wish I'd thought of that. For some strange reason your message made me think about Tim May's rant about laws regulating the size and method of transporting or carrying knives. Naturally, since 6" was the "standard" used in many places for years to define the line between legal and illegal intent for use of said "pointed instrument", I got to thinking about the possibility of the laws being transposed to apply to another common "pointed instrument" which is sometimes used as a tool and at other times is used as a weapon. My first thought was to wonder if my 18 1/2" would automatically make me a three-time loser and subject to lifetime imprisonment. My second thought was whether there would be corresponding laws requiring the weapon to be "sheathed" in one locale and "in plain sight" in another locale. Wish I hadn't thought of that. A. Felon

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Supreme's decisions...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Top ATM maker signs deal with eye-scanning technology firm
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.techserver.com/newsroom/ntn/info/062497/info25_8064.html TRENTON, N.J. (June 24, 1997 9:38 p.m. EDT) -- NCR Corp., the world's top maker of automated teller machines, plans to start offering machines that identify the user by scanning the eye. NCR said Tuesday it teamed with Sensar Inc. to offer a system that could eventually replace plastic cards and memorized numbers with a more secure system -- cameras that confirm the user's identity by the unique patterns in the iris, the colored ring in the eye. Besides improving security, executives at Dayton, Ohio-based NCR believe the system will make it more practical to use ATMs for selling airline tickets, insurance and investments. ... Under the deal, NCR will distribute and service the system for banks and other financial institutions around the world, except in Japan, where Sensar has a $42 million contract to develop the technology for ATMs. "We've still got a few kinks we're working out," said Kevin B. McQuade, vice president for strategic business development at Moorestown-based Sensar, adding that the company expects to begin mass production in a year.

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ATMs a better target (was: breaking RSA in hardware)
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:51 PM +0100 6/26/97, Adam Back wrote: >Peter Trei <trei(a)process.com> writes: >> > [DES breaking] >> >> [useful stats] >Perhaps it would be interesting to look at the economics of a well >funded attacker breaking a 512 bit RSA key. If we asume that they >would do it in software, and had to buy the machines, would you be >better to buy fewer workstations with 128Mb or lots with 16Mb. Factor >of 17 speed up using GNFS acording to your estimates of DES, and >Lenstra's for GNFS RSA. > >So perhaps we're looking at motherboard $100, cpu $100, PSU+case $100 >+ 16Mb RAM $100 = $400. The same, but with 128Mb $1100. > >So that's a 1100 / 400 = 2.75 ratio. Clearly buying the larger memory >PCs is the way to go. > >Overall GNFS is 6x cheaper it would appear. > >However, really the interesting question is how much would it cost to >break RSA in hardware. How expensive would it be to build a custom >hardware machine to break RSA. What building blocks would be needed. >How much memory. What would be the most efficient approach. > Seems that unless future crypto breaks compromise something everybody can appreciate, they be little lasting PR value. Colin Plumb, colin(a)nyx.net, said >I don't know if everyone is aware, but all of the ATM cards floating aroud use DES to protect the PIN. With ine key sealed in tamper-proof. Wouldn't *that* be a fun key to have? >The details are published somehwere. Basically, you encrypt some card info to get a 16-character hex string. Some 4 nybbles of that, reduced mod 10 (so 0-5 are more likely than 6-9) are the "master PIN". >An offset from this (added per-digit, mod 10) is stored in clear on the card to allow programmable PINs. But most cards ship with the offset set to 0 and the default PIN is the master PIN. >You just need a few people with closed accounts to volunteer their ATM cards to mag stripe readers. The work would be somewhat greater since you need to do multiple decryptions to get a full validation; you'd need to do weed out the impossible in stages. >I'm not sure if the fraud possibilities (it lets you recover the PINs from stolen ATM cards) are worth it, but it would sure raise a ruckus... -- > -Colin The crack project should publish all schematics and source prior to the project start and the key server should definitely be offshore, since US regulatory agencies might step in to prevent the experiment from reaching its conclusion. I think one of the list's lawyers should investigate the legal risks to the participants. I have an account I'm willing to donate for the experiment. --Steve PGP mail preferred Fingerprint: FE 90 1A 95 9D EA 8D 61 81 2E CC A9 A4 4A FB A9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Schear | tel: (702) 658-2654 CEO | fax: (702) 658-2673 First ECache Corporation | 7075 West Gowan Road | Suite 2148 | Las Vegas, NV 89129 | Internet: azur(a)netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- I know not what instruments others may use, but as for me, give me Ecache or give me debt. SHOW ME THE DIGITS!

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Re: Bomb Making Info to be Illegal
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adrogynous Stewart wrote: > In the final form it only > prohibits the teaching of bombmaking for criminal purposes. It's not clear > to me that the bill will restrict such material on the net, unless they > implies criminal use. Has everyone in society lost their fucking mind? Explain to me please, the dire consequences of not having this law. Without this law, are people who teach others to make bombs for criminal purposes not going to go to jail? Bullshit! How much of our tax money is being fucked away to pass a law to establish that the legislation's sponsors aren't in favor of children in a daycare being bombed? People who currently teach bombmaking for criminal purposes are already going to jail. No doubt a new law will result in some poor schmuck who is not too good with the English language going to jail (at our expense) for twenty years for saying "you _should_ use a short fuse" instead of saying "you _could_ use a short fuse" (or somesuch nonsense). Nothing personal, pal, but to even speak about the proposed law without pointing out that Feinstein is an ignorant bitch who is fucking away our tax dollars on a useless law, meant to impress the dim-witted, is nothing less than conceding to the reign of knee-jerk stupidity. Someone please put up a website teaching people how to use bananas to commit a crime. I want some company in prison when I kill 168 people with a banana. BananaMonger

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EAR cookbook anyone?
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We would like to distribute strong encryption (PGP, Netscape, MSIE, Kerberos, SSH, lynx-ssl, etc.) to people affiliated with our institution without prejudice to their current location, as the Fortune 100 can do with PGP. Today I got management to agree that it would be worth my time to ensure that we do so legally and publicly (though we had already decided to distribute said software to new and continuing affiliates worldwide regardless). There's a lot of examples of ITAR CJR's online, but I don't see any examples of EAR whatchamacallits. Are we really going to need some lawyer for this, or can't I just send Commerce a form letter, say, tomorrow afternoon? Form letters my department can fill in and sign, but paying a lawyer would require a level of bureaucracy that I'd rather not deal with. The deadline in any case would be August 25th. -rich i'm back... if i haven't responded to your mail sent the last week and a half, it's probably because it just wasn't interesting. nothing personal.

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Re: New Laws in Oregon - "Land of the Legal betatest"
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ryan Anderson wrote: > On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, lucifer Anonymous Remailer wrote: > > > We've got a relatively decent style of government here. > > > Sure, as long as you don't step out of line, like at Kent State > > or Waco, or at the Democratic convention in Chicago. > > Any style of government is "relatively decent" if you don't > > rock the boat. Buy a fucking clue... > > Do I have to spell out everything for you? "Style of government" as in > governmental *DESIGN*, not the current situation. I'm talking about the > layout of Congress, the Executive branch, the Supreme Court, etc. Better you should concentrate on learning to read than on giving spelling lessons. I'll type slowly and SHOUT, shit-for-brains, so you have a slim chance of following me, here: "ANY (<--that's _ANY_) style (DESIGN, STRUCTURE, METHOD...) of government is "realatively decent" if you don't rock the boat." Screw the "layout of Congress, the Executive branch, the Supreme Court, etc." I seriously doubt that the slaves being whipped in the thirteen colonies ignored the pain by concentrating on the beauty of the layout of Congress. I doubt that Indians mourning the slaughter of their families appreciated the structure of the Executive Branch. "Style of government" doesn't much matter a rat's ass. All that really matters is the balance of power between those in society and how those who have power use it. If there are two of us and only one gun, we can draw toothpicks to see which of us has "governership" over the gun for the day to hunt for food, or if you are big and have an attitude you may just seize control of the gun. If you're using the gun only to hunt and share the food equally with me, either way is a "relatively decent" form of "government" of the gun. Of course, if you get off on the "power" of controlling the gun, you are going to get nervous when I start gathering sticks and stones to build a house and start passing "amendments" to our agreement or "style of government" that state I can only possess small sticks and stones, etc, etc. Pretty soon, I'm building a nuclear warhead in my straw hut... > This whole discussion has been, from my point of view at least, mostly > theoretical in a discussion of possible ways to alter the government to > stay away from the situations that we are in now. Simple. Design all future government buildings to match the remains of the Federal Building in OKC and replace the pictures of our beloved President with pictures of Timothy McVeigh. The problem with any government is not the style, but the maintaining of accountability. Putting the nuclear warheads in D.C. and giving the magic button to a barmaid in Denver would likely be as "relatively decent" a "style of government" as any other alternative. You want a "relatively decent style of government?" Make Stalin our dictator and arrange for Mother Teresa to control a mechanical vice that contains his nuts. Pick any "style of government" at random, as far as I'm concerned, but don't forget to put a note on the fridge to remind yourself to pick up some munitions for the coming revolution. McVeigh was just "voting early," as is allowed for by law for those in the military who may be busy serving their country at election time. Change the style of government to any form you please and the pigs at the public trough are going to fight (and kill) to stay there. A change in "style" is not needed as much as a change in "attitude." (e.g. "Hard weapons, soft targets, no compromise.") I don't need to buy a clue. I have a Ryder truck full of clues that I haven't even used yet. ClueMonger

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No Subject
by hs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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