December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: PGP Security
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:38 PM 3/20/97 -0500, Mark M. wrote: >The fundamental problem with the current remailer network, as others have >noted before, is that it is a free service open to abuse by anyone. If >remailers were commercialized, this would eliminate the spam problem and would >provide the remailer operator with resources to legally defend him or herself. I don't think remailers get nearly enough traffic (at the moment, anyway) to fund a meaningful defense, civil or criminal. It takes a lot of messages at $.25 or $.10 each to come up with $10K or $20K. It's been ~ 2 years now since my remailer went down, but at that time traffic was pretty low. Also, charging for remailing is likely to alter the legal arguments available to a remailer operator hoping to avoid liability for traffic - in particular, I think it's likely to be a factor which argues in favor of finding contributory or vicarious liability for copyright infringement, since the remailer operator gains income through facilitating the infringement. Charging for messages will also change the availability of services like Raph's remailer stats - even a miniscule cost becomes significant if you're incurring it once per hour per remailer. It's a solution to the "spam" problem - perhaps the only solution - but it's got other consequences, too. >Consider the fact that Cyberpromo has managed to find an upstream provider >willing to provide connectivity to them, even though they are almost >universally hated by net users. They have been able to exist because there >is a commercial interest. I don't think a remailer will be able to come up with the kind of money that Cyberpromo has. If Cyberpromo were a $10/month shell account or a $20/month PPP account, they'd have been history months ago. >The obvious solution to this would be to run remailers in more civilized countries. I agree, especially if you define "more civilized" to mean "has an underdeveloped or underutilized legal system". :) -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | Export jobs, not crypto.

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Re: [CRYPTO] PRNG
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Market Failures, Monocultures, and Dead Kids (Oh My!)
by camcc＠abraxis.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 12:42 AM 3/19/97 -0600, you wrote: *|>Parents most certainly are not the only ones to determine the welfare of *|>their children; society has assumed a significant role and typically moves *|>to protect the child from the parents or from the _beliefs_ of the *|>parents. *|Just because the government subverts the RIGHTS of the parents does not *|mean that the parents do not have those rights. *| *|A parent is the sole person who has a *RIGHT* to determine the welfair of *|their childern. You do not have that right, I do not have that right, the *|government does not have that right. To beleive that the government should *|"protect" a child from the beliefs of its parents is truly *|FASISTS/COMMUNIST/STATIST (pick you flavor they are all the same <G>). *| *|I as a parent have the sole right to determine what religon to teach my *|children, how to rase my children, how to teach my children, how to reward *|my children and how to punish my children PERIOD. *| *|Perhaps you should take your STATIST tendicies over to alt.hitler.fanclub *|as they are quite out of place here. *| *|"When the wants of society override the rights of the individule that *|society must die" -- whgiii Dear whgiii, Children are, also, possessors of certain inalienable rights. Parents have certain _privileges_ in regard to their children which others do not have; if the parents abuse the _rights_ which their children possess solely by virtue of being humans and citizens, the state is obligated to intervene on behalf of the child--a citizen. In just the same way that if I were to threaten or batter you (or visa versa) the state would interpose itself to protect me. _With reservations_ I grant you parents have _great_ leeway in the areas of religious training, education, medical care, general child rearing (punishment/reward). When parents overstep either by action or neglect, society intervenes. I _understand_ your point that in an ideal society the government would not intervene. At this point, though, we don't seem to be there. Alec What's the point of the following? Discourse is healthy in an open system. Why the exclusion? *|Perhaps you should take your STATIST tendicies over to alt.hitler.fanclub *|as they are quite out of place here. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQCVAgUBMy/w7SKJGkNBIH7lAQEwpwP/UlEJbHBt6ahryC7X8tKqWssFoluJhVDa IIUQVCq/NkJ3Qg3LY804JNDnfgYbVFea0LY5FUiybAEDHOc0AEBRUt0ZE2ccgrt4 sNSKPTQ27csTEljM9b6PRU4Isod6d9l10APsuUbXM/knsZeNDfbwTWsoYPl66/t1 jbQ56j0t+vE= =Ju3R -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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17 Dec '03

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by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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PGP Media Sues NSI To Open the Domain Name Registration Market
by mf＠MediaFilter.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

PRESS RELEASE PGP Media, Inc. New York, New York March 20, 1997 PGP Media Sues To Open the Domain Name Registration Market PGP Media, Inc., d/b/a name.space(tm) (http://namespace.pgpmedia.com) ("PGP"), announces that it has commenced an action in Federal Court in New York City against Network Solutions, Inc. ("NSI"), seeking, among other things, to open access to the domain name registration market to allow open, unrestricted competition for the offering of Domain Name registration under potentially limitless Shared Top Level Domains. PGP believes that the Internet has long since become a vibrant and maturing market in which certain de facto monopolists, operating for profit, have been allowed to flout the laws of the United States and other countries which are expressly aimed at preventing such conduct. A copy of the Complaint in that action is now available on the name.space(tm) web page referred to above. With the commencement of this case, PGP is now accepting registrations of domain names under an expansive list of Shared TLDs. An initial registration under a TLD listed on the name.space(tm) web page may be made for $10. When, as a result of the lawsuit or otherwise, the names registered become universally resolvable and the PGP Name Servers become "root," an additional charge of $15 will be imposed to fully register the name for the first full year of use following such universal resolvability. PGP intends to charge a $25 renewal fee for each subsequent year of use of names registered through its registry. In addition, PGP iS also accepting suggestions for additional Shared TLDs to be added to the PGP Registry. The fee which will be charged for such additional Shared TLDs has not yet been determined. For additional information regarding the lawsuit or to receive regular updates, please contact mjd(a)pgpmedia.com.

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encrypt_1.html
by Lynx_User＠linux.nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Reuters New Media [World Book 1997 Multimedia Encyclopedia. Built upon the questions kids ask most. IBM] [ Yahoo | Write Us | Search | Info ] [ Index | News | World | Biz | Tech | Politic | Sport | Scoreboard | Entertain | Health ] _________________________________________________________________ Previous Story: U.S. Bill To Ban Internet Gambling Introduced Next Story: Rational Unveils Software With Microsoft _________________________________________________________________ Thursday March 20 2:56 PM EST Clinton Admin. To Offer Encryption Bill Shortly WASHINGTON - The Clinton administration plans to introduce legislation soon that would clearly affirm that encryption users in this country are free to use any type or strength of encryption technology, a senior administration official said. Currently, no such explicit law is on the books. Under Secretary of Commerce William Reinsch also told a Senate Commerce Committee hearing the bill would explicitly state that participation in so-called "key management infrastructure" would be voluntary. Key refers to the password or software "key" that can read encrypted information. The bill also would: -- Spell out the legal conditions for the release of "recovery information" to law enforcement officials. The bill also provides legal safeguards for third-party "key recovery agents" who have properly released such information. -- Criminalizes the misuse of keys and the use of encryption to further a crime. -- Offers, on a voluntary basis, firms that are in the business of providing public cryptography keys the opportunity to obtain government recognition. Such recognition, Reinsch said, would allow firms to "market the trustworthiness implied by government approval. The testimony came in a hearing on two bills introduced by Senate lawmakers that would remove almost all export curbs on encryption technology. The administration's newest export policy, enacted through executive order in November and in effect since January 1, allows export of stronger encryption than previously allowed. But it requires companies to incorporate features within two years allowing the government to crack the codes by getting access to the software keys. Administration officials said they opposed the export provisions in the two Senate bills, saying that the export liberalization goes too far. The bills were offered by Sens. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) and Conrad Burns (R-Montana). Copyright, Reuters Ltd. All rights reserved _________________________________________________________________ ________________________ ___________ Help _________________________________________________________________ Previous Story: U.S. Bill To Ban Internet Gambling Introduced Next Story: Rational Unveils Software With Microsoft _________________________________________________________________ [ Index | News | World | Biz | Tech | Politic | Sport | Scoreboard | Entertain | Health ] _________________________________________________________________ Reuters Limited Questions or Comments

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Re: PGP Security
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- -=> Quoting In:markm@voicenet.com to Harka <=- In> The fundamental problem with the current remailer network, as others In> have noted before, is that it is a free service open to abuse by In> anyone. If remailers were commercialized, this would eliminate the In> spam problem and would provide the remailer operator with resources to In> legally defend him or herself. Currently, there is no modivation for an In> operator to continue the service when legally threatened. Personally I believe, that the fundamental problem with remailers is, that there are simply too few of them. If there were a few hundred or even thousand around the world, it would be much harder to crack down on the R-network and the individuals, who run the remailers. In need is a remailer program, that even not so technical people could easily run from their common Windoze machine. Jgrasty's winsock remailer is a good step in the right direction (although it didn't work for me personally). Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* This user supports FREE SPEECH ONLINE ...more info at */ /* and PRIVATE ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS! --> http://www.eff.org */ /* E-mail: harka(at)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail pref'd) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBMzJEKTltEBIEF0MBAQGgfwf/QePG5nHUjZajUjmskX/CwW+WSvMcDE13 +EiILayy/lE4WQQeGCK8Q0/gcmVqTNtvug3gSRYyUqmadDgzfAlpFg4Vn5pv3I1Z Spf8WNiRpQ1EhHIXPaW4zwMRvAAeySQG/WMmRFzzYWSb2MydlHy3e/XhDy8OtBe3 5IwcGimZE+820eXgdXdCPM2xg3Bri8tUlqBvrVvD+hPi8e5hw3eNc/i1Jf1GP4+w WIhLLzkRe+AYxXEpUrK5c2D1HiNO3KRWqmTiufTjXHZPnu8DW5BXODTbBoqnyOBi syCctfLGD85zFo199FYVsQ4ThFE897qo3U4v9JQuHifRw0GQS5GCiQ== =f+dR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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gambling_1.html
by Lynx_User＠linux.nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Reuters New Media [IBM DB2] [ Yahoo | Write Us | Search | Info ] [ Index | News | World | Biz | Tech | Politic | Sport | Scoreboard | Entertain | Health ] _________________________________________________________________ Previous Story: Wired Summit Newsroom Echoes To Click Of Mice Next Story: Clinton Admin. To Offer Encryption Bill Shortly _________________________________________________________________ Thursday March 20 2:57 PM EST U.S. Bill To Ban Internet Gambling Introduced WASHINGTON - A bill to ban all forms of gambling on the Internet has been introduced in the U.S. Senate. "Given the tremendous potential for abuse, addiction and access by minors, online gambling should be prohibited," Sen. Jon Kyl, an Arizona Republican, said. He was joined by two other Republicans and three Democrats in offering the bill. Currently, only computer gambling on sports events is prohibited. The legislation would extend criminal penalties to companies who offer all types of computer gambling. Communications companies regulated by the U.S. Federal Communications Commission would be required to discontinue services to any companies they carry that offer gambling. Kyl said the bill also eliminates ambiguity about the definition of bets and wagers to make any form of online betting illegal. The bill was introduced on the same day as the U.S. Supreme Court heard arguments about a 1996 law banning transmission of sexually explicit material on the Internet to anyone younger than 18. The Clinton administration argued that the law should be upheld to protect young children. Opponents said it violated free-speech rights of adult Internet users and should be found unconstitutional. A decision in the case is due by July. Copyright, Reuters Ltd. All rights reserved _________________________________________________________________ ________________________ ___________ Help _________________________________________________________________ Previous Story: Wired Summit Newsroom Echoes To Click Of Mice Next Story: Clinton Admin. To Offer Encryption Bill Shortly _________________________________________________________________ [ Index | News | World | Biz | Tech | Politic | Sport | Scoreboard | Entertain | Health ] _________________________________________________________________ Reuters Limited Questions or Comments

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Re: FINALLY, "SOME" TRUTH Re: Anonymous Nymserver: anon.nymserver.com
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Attila T. Hun wrote, in blood: > on or about 970313:1533 TruthMonger <an7575(a)anon.nymserver.com> said: > + To reiterate my original observations: > +1. The development of RSA was funded and controlled by the spooks. i.e. > +- The National Science Foundation and the Navy. > +2. The campaign of persecution against Phil Zimmerman ground to a halt > +once he agreed to PGP using the spook-developed RSAREF subroutines to > +implement the RSA functions, instead of PGP's original subroutines. > about a year ago when Phil's prosecution was dropped, I wrote a > rather lengthy message here about PKZ, the prosecution turning to > vapour, surprise funding for PGP, Inc. (which is substantial), and > the issue of being compromised. What I found interesting about TruthMonger's missive was that the replies he received as a result of merely 'questioning' certain things regarding the holy icon of PGP, he got back replies/rants, from normally rational list subscribers, which were scathing rebukes to issues he or she hadn't even raised. I wonder if you had a similar experience with the post you mention. > ANYONE who has managed to walk away from a fed hate/hatchet job has > been compromised to some extent. No shit, Sherlock. > + If people with guns came to me and told me that software I had > +written now had to use their subroutines, instead of my own, then I > +would consider my software 'compromised', regardless of whether or not > +I could immediately discern any anomalies in it. > + It is far, far easier to 'build' a back-door, than to 'find' one. > > you got that one right! > just the ability to _backtrack_ into the algorithms is a start. > One piece of clear text and you're toast. You can't tell me the guy who designed the Rubik cube didn't know how to 'beat' it when he was done. > + It never fails to amaze me how the back-doors that software makers > +intentionally build into their products for their own convenience > +suddenly become 'bugs' when hackers, among others, take advantage of > +them. > + One hacker I know used to find most of his hacks into AT&T UNIX by > +screwing up his system (i.e. - corrupting the passwd file) and then > +calling in the AT&T support techs and observing their tricks and > +techniques (and then improving on them). > > ...ask a few of the old line unix hacks at Murray Hill (where I was > "granted" my name....) however, AT&T was never as bad as a few of > the others (Sperry comes to mind...) and most of AT&T's access > points were not open and exploitable without you enabling them (by > giving them access). I know a hacker who could get Support Techies to perform all of their secret black-magic in front of him just because he had the abilty to act extremely stupid. (If he asked you the time of day, you'd write it down for him, and explain it to him.) > however, 20 years ago, the feds were scary enough with "new" > crypto; 4 AM rousts that noone believed the feds would do. > warrants? yeah, right! If the feds arrested you, you were > "obviously" guilty or they would not have arrested you. I think we can expect the day to come when the Feds make their major public relations tune "If you don't have anything to 'hide', then why do you need crypto?", thus pointing out to 'decent folk' that the CypherPunks are all drug smuggling, tax-dodging pedophiles. -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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