December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: KILL cypherpunks !!!
by Eric Wilson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:28 PM 11/25/96 -0500, you wrote: >On Mon, 25 Nov 1996, aga wrote: < whole bunch of stuff > >> This is a world-wide internet problem that you are about to get >> taken care of. You will be among the first locations to be >> eliminated. And just remember that your termination is your own >> doing. You had your chance to keep the fucking cypherpunks list >> OFF of your e-mail to me, and blew it. > >Oops, now what will I ever do? Wow, I'm going to miss cypherpunks. I didn't post much, but I've always been an avid reader (sniff). If I only had it to do all over again... Oh, by the way, since you're planning on doing away with things, could you get rid of some of these outfits that do the mass e-mails, thanks in advance. >> I pump iron and run three times a week. And as a Tae Kwon Do >> black belt holder, I get lots of physical activity. I am in >> better physical shape than any other man that you know. > >I have a date this weekend already, thanks. I find you're martial arts reference very interesting. But if you were truly any good, you wouldn't be waving it in everyones face like a banner. I find your demeanor to be that of someone that has never practiced the warrior arts. If you had, you'd have developed more respect for your fellow human beings. I'm guessing you're a very lonely person, whos only way of getting attention is to try and cause a conflict. Share your pain with us, and together we'll grow stronger ( Star Trek reference ;)). But if you can't do that, shut off your computer ( or leave your terminal), and go find someone to talk to, like a counselor. Eric Wilson ----------------------------------------------------------------- Join the BugList! "How many times?" The Blind Man http://case.cioe.com/~serw30

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Re: IPG Algorith Broken!
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:21 AM 11/24/96 -0500, Black Unicorn wrote: > >> > On Sat, 23 Nov 1996, John Anonymous MacDonald wrote: >> > > diGriz >> > >> > Use an anon. remailer and sign your posts. Brilliant. Just brilliant. > >Actually, rather clever if you're trying to estlablish reputation. Just >make sure you use the right key. Reputation is not the only reason to use a "name" with an anon remailer. Sometimes you want to post (and have a reputation) that is entirely seperable from your "real life" persona. Maybe you have a job where being involved with "The Evil Cypherpunks(tm)" could result in hastles at work (or even firing) if known. (I recieved flack from one company I worked with for posting here... Until they needed a remailer set up and someone to explain how their software worked... But that is another story.) Cypherpunks is gated to a number of Usenet News servers. (Teleport is a good example.) It is also archived in a number of search engines. (Altavista if I remember correctly, is one of them.) Someone who does not want their words to come back any byte them might just use such a method to protect themselves. --- | "Remember: You can't have BSDM without BSD." | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com|

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Re: Another Nutty Idea about SPAM
by Omegaman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Steven Garman wrote: > > Once method of combatting the spammers is to use disinformation. For example > > we use new addresses for their "remove" lists to check on their honesty. > > > > What about attacking the lists themselves with false data? Say you run a site. (snip) Igor Chudov wrote: > Another nutty idea: to create a database of people who do NOT want to > receive unsolicited advertisements, and make it widely available. Of course. But this does not address the issue of "unscrupulous spammers" which is what Steven was commenting upon. > The obvious problem is that some very uncsrupulous spammers would want > to grab this database and use it as a source of email addresses. > > This problem has a solution, however: instead of distributing people's > email addresses, distribute MD5 checksums of their addresses. For > example, an entry for ichudov(a)algebra.com would be > > b51175dae78f25427351d5e3ff43de30 > > There is no way to guess the original text from an MD5 checksum. > > Spammers should be advised to exclude all addresses with MD5 checksums from > that database from the recipient list, and include instructions on how > to get one added to the database into their spams. Okay fine. The spammer is "advised" but if he is unscrupulous in the first place, he'll simply ignore the advice and continue bulk-mailing to every address he can grab. > Database maintainers could even provide a email filter-bot that would > accept recipient lists by email and send back the same lists, but > WITHOUT addresses that wish not to receive spam. This way stupid > low-tech spammers (who make up the majority) will be able to process > their email lists quickly and easily. Indeed, stupid low-tech spammers would benefit from such a service if they wish to honor "do not send" requests. > This database may be maintained centrally. Users may be able to sign up > for inclusion into that database by email or by filling out a Web-based > form. Identity verifications may be done by using cookie protocol. I like the idea and if I had the resources, I would do it personally. Optimistically, many bulk e-mailers would sign on to the plan. (Ironically, one would probably have to solicit bulk e-mailers to sign up). However, many, being unscrupulous, ignorant, etc. will not be involved. The only way I see to get bulk e-mailers to utilize this service is to offer a positive and/or negative incentive for usage of the service. ie. "What do I gain by elminating people from my bulk mail-outs? What can be done if I don't follow this protocol?" Ideas? Comments? me -------------------------------------------------------------- Omegaman <mailto:omega@bigeasy.com> PGP Key fingerprint = 6D 31 C3 00 77 8C D1 C2 59 0A 01 E3 AF 81 94 63 Send a message with the text "get key" in the "Subject:" field to get a copy of my public key. --------------------------------------------------------------

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The dish on TEMPEST
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The following is from a tread involving a friend of mine. An ex-military fellow. Take it for what you want. I believe him. >>> This depends in large part on the strength of the >> > degausser and how long it remains powered up. The one >> > I have I used to "clean" 10.5 inch tape reels written >> > at FM broadcast quality to a noise level -20db down from >> > brand new tape - this back in my quadraphonic stereo >> > days. It will not quite suck satellites out of orbit... >> > TWA planes, maybe. >> >> >> -20dB down from new would be a better spec if new tape was typically >> nulled rather than just blank low-level white noise. >> >> However, even so, a SQUID is a very scary thing.... I've been out of commission for a week and found 276 messages in my in-box today. The tapes I was writing about were those already "prepared" for recording "items of interest", and had already been degaussed in the preparation procedure to FM broadcast standards then/there. My little hummer would take whatever whit noise remained even then to a further 20 dBA DOWN from the ridiculous levels then/there specified. In other words, it's pretty good. Of course, IF Big Brother wants, there are any number of ways for him to obtain whatever information he wishes. I recall long, long ago, I was privileged to watch a demo of equipment (1955 or 1956, I forget exactly) in a truck parked a MILE away from our CommCenter, in the years before Faraday cages, TEMPEST, etc., and watch these guys print out a 5x5 copy of our top secret traffic as it was read by the [elided upon request] one-time-tape encryption devices. Shortly after that demo, our CommCenter was moved into a cave (no joke) and modified to "low level" dc signalling voltages. And other measures were taken to screen the area... I _have_ led an interesting life... As for Squids, only if you read Jules Verne are they scary. Otherwise, cleaned and fried with a tangy dipping sauce, well, that's another story! --Lucky

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Need info on non-OS specific random functions (pref C++)
by Rick Osborne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am looking for information on non-OS specific RNGs. Nothing really complex, just easily portable to a few different OSs and compilers. Any pointers would be appreciated. Thanks! Rick Osborne / osborne(a)gateway.grumman.com / Northrop Grumman Corporation ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: How many surrealists does it take to screw in a lightbulb? A: Two. One to hold the giraffe and the other to fill the bathtub with brightly colored machine tools.

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Re: Another Nutty Idea about SPAM
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Steven Garman wrote: > I have had yet another twisted idea. I would be interested in your thoughts. > > Once method of combatting the spammers is to use disinformation. For example > we use new addresses for their "remove" lists to check on their honesty. > > What about attacking the lists themselves with false data? Say you run a site. > You can make and delete accounts as you please. So, make a whole bunch of > new accounts, and submit them by various means to places that will probably > use them in bulk e-mail lists. Then, delete the accounts. Viola, the lists > have some worthless addresses. Another nutty idea: to create a database of people who do NOT want to receive unsolicited advertisements, and make it widely available. The obvious problem is that some very uncsrupulous spammers would want to grab this database and use it as a source of email addresses. This problem has a solution, however: instead of distributing people's email addresses, distribute MD5 checksums of their addresses. For example, an entry for ichudov(a)algebra.com would be b51175dae78f25427351d5e3ff43de30 There is no way to guess the original text from an MD5 checksum. Spammers should be advised to exclude all addresses with MD5 checksums from that database from the recipient list, and include instructions on how to get one added to the database into their spams. Database maintainers could even provide a email filter-bot that would accept recipient lists by email and send back the same lists, but WITHOUT addresses that wish not to receive spam. This way stupid low-tech spammers (who make up the majority) will be able to process their email lists quickly and easily. This database may be maintained centrally. Users may be able to sign up for inclusion into that database by email or by filling out a Web-based form. Identity verifications may be done by using cookie protocol. - Igor.

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An interesting tid-bit
by Mark Neely 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I was just testing out some new search software, and polled Alta Vista to see how it all worked. I used "sex" as my search term, and Alta Vista reported that their were "no documents matching - sex ignored"! Interestingly enough it will let you search with other, sex-related terms (such as "nude", "f*ck" etc), but not sex! Very bizarre indeed. Mark Mark Neely - accessnt(a)ozemail.com.au Lawyer, Internet Consultant, Professional Cynic & Author BizWeb: For Serious Intrepreneurs - www.maximedia.com.au/bizweb

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CNET News Dispatch November 25th, 1996
by The CNET newsletter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

************************************* CNET NEWS DISPATCH Monday, November 25, 1996 San Francisco, California, USA ************************************* CNET NEWS DISPATCH is a daily newsletter that summarizes the up-to-the minute technology news presented by CNET's NEWS.COM. It tempts readers with coverage of today's hottest stories, news in the making, (in)credible rumors, and other indispensable information. For complete versions of the stories updated all day long, head over to: http://www.news.com/?nd ************************************* CONTENTS SCOOPS AND TOP STORIES Mother of all notebooks to be shot out of Canon in December The Web version of driving your car at blazing speeds of up to 325mph Death, where is thy...ping?(?) "Honey? Could you answer the toaster? I'm talking to Frank on the microwave." Comdex sucks! No, it rules! Sucks! Rules! Does not! Does so! Oh, so that's why O.J. has that battered copy of Neuromacer ANNOUNCEMENTS An easy way for you to customize NEWS.COM Search the site for particular topics and articles Send us your questions, comments, flotsam, and jetsam How to subscribe and unsubscribe Late-breaking stories just a click away with Desk Top News ************************************* SCOOPS AND TOP STORIES MOTHER OF ALL NOTEBOOKS TO BE SHOT OUT OF CANON Here are some numbers that might keep ThinkPad and PowerBook vendors up late at night: 200-MHz Pentium processor, 13.3-inch active-matrix display, 1.4GB hard drive, 8X CD-ROM drive. These formidable figures apply to Canon's 3200FX notebook, appearing in December at a showroom near you. 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Re: Symantec's claim.
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:45 PM 11/25/96 +0200, cracker(a)icon.co.za wrote: >Anyone come across the pkz300 trojan,if you have it send it please. Why would you want it? The PKZ 3.0 trojan is at least 5 years old. (I am amazed I can still read the disk my copy is on without the magnetic media flaking off.) It is a pretty pathetic trojan at that... And no, I am not going to send you a copy. You would use it not for good, but for evil. (And not the fun sort of evil either. That required things and devices you are far to young to know about... As well as black leather clad women with <ahem> ... Sorry...) I suggest that you put your inquisitive nature into researching something that will do you some good. (Or at least, get you out of the house.) --- | "Remember: You can't have BSDM without BSD." | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com|

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[GAK] Clipper chip
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim C[rook] May likes to lick the semen-shit mixture that accumulates in the crack of his mother's ass.

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