December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Sony/Philips has trouble exporting Web TV's (fwd)
by Ray Arachelian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 15:59:04 -0500 (EST) From: v0!d <voidmstr(a)primenet.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwwac(a)echonyc.com> Subject: Sony/Philips has trouble exporting Web TV's (fwd) >> >> From Electronic Buyers' News: >> >> October 28, 1996 >> Issue: 1030 >> Section: News >> >> CODE LIMIT EXCEEDED >> >> By Jack Robertson >> >> Washington - New Internet-television systems from Sony Corp. and >> Philips Electronics Co. are technically munitions under U.S. export >> controls and cannot be shipped to the companies' worldwide sales >> networks, it was disclosed last week. >> >> Sony officials said the company's TV set-top box designed by WebTV of >> Palo Alto, Calif., includes a state-of-the-art 128-bit code encryption >> system for electronic commerce. This far exceeds the 40-bit encryption >> code permissible for export under the U.S. Munitions Control List. >> >> Philips also makes a WebTV set-top Internet box at its Magnavox TV >> plant in Knoxville, Tenn., and is similarly barred from shipping the >> unit to sales channels around the world. >> >> Both global electronic giants face immediate competition in the >> emerging TV-Internet surfing market from other Japanese, South Korean, >> and European set-makers that don't face the U.S. encryption >> controls. They now join the U.S. computer industry, which has long >> protested that the outmoded encryption export curbs are causing them >> to forfeit overseas sales of PCs and workstations to foreign rivals. >> >> President Clinton last month proposed lifting the level of encryption >> export controls from the present 40-bit code word to 56 bits, but only >> if a trap door is embedded in the cipher to allow law enforcement >> agencies to decode wiretapped messages. Clinton is expected shortly to >> sign an executive order putting the new control limits into effect. >> >> The pending 56-bit-code threshold doesn't help the Sony or Philips >> Web-surfing TV systems - nor most U.S. computer companies that build >> systems with encryption exceeding even the new control limit. Both >> Netscape and Microsoft Web-browsing software includes 128-bit code >> encryption, surpassing export curbs. >> >> Zenith Electronics Co., maker of a Web-surfing TV set, isn't concerned >> about the encryption controls, since it sells only in the U.S. market >> where the curbs don't apply. >> >> Divicom Inc., based in Milpitas, Calif., must get an export license >> from the U.S. State Department for every exported cable TV front-end >> encoder, which includes 128-bit code word, according to Tom >> Lookabough, the company's sales manager. He said the license review >> process can take eight weeks or more, a troublesome delay that foreign >> competitors don't face. >> >> Divicom and Scientific Atlanta both said their new digital TV set-top >> boxes include encryption that exceeds allowable export limits - but >> virtually all sales so far are in the U.S. market. As digital-box >> production ramps up, the companies would like to sell overseas, but >> run into the export control ban that puts them at a severe >> disadvantage against the foreign competitors aggressively entering the >> set-top market. >> >> President Clinton's encryption export control changes include an >> industry-favored provision to take the category off the State >> Department's Munitions Control List and shift responsibility to the >> Commerce Department. >> Dennis Wilen : WWW Design, Production and Consulting voidmstr's law: bandwidth expands to fit the waste available voidmstr(a)primenet.com http://www.primenet.com/~voidmstr 2385 Roscomare Road, Bel Air CA 90077 voice: 310-471-7849

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Re: Dr. Vulis
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, On Tue, 5 Nov 1996 Phill wrote: > Of course the two sentences don't say exactly the same thing, > otherwise I would have written one. That never stopped academics before. > I don't think we have a problem with the statements conflicting, > there is an interaction. What a Hegelian would call dilectic. > I prefer to use a different term for much the same reasons as > Sorros, the misuse of the term has created garbage that one > does not want to associate with (eg Historical materialism). Please eschew the obfuscation. The sentences Phill hastely wrote are simply contradictory. It's fatuous to claim, after the fact, that he intended some sort of dialectic (i.e., a system of arguement in which conflicting ideas are resolved). Intellectual honesty isn't required on this list, but it is appreciated. S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Bernstein hearing, Nov 8 CANCELED!
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Judge Patel has decided that she already knows enough, based on the papers submitted by both sides, to decide our motion for a preliminary injunction to protect Dan Bernstein as he teaches a class on cryptography in January. She also says that she will decide our motion for partial summary judgement (from the September 20th hearing) at the same time. So, THERE WILL BE NO HEARING ON NOVEMBER 8TH! DON'T COME, WE WON'T BE THERE. Apologies for the short notice. It's all the notice the legal team got. I'll let you know as soon as she releases her decision. John Gilmore

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[PRIVACY][BLACKNET] Potential Analyst?
by Brian D Williams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Dimitri Vulis >#4k Burns St, Forest Hills,NY 11375-3506 >(718)261-6839 >Source: http://www.yahoo.com (Four11 people search) >Birthday: December 29 >Source: http://www.boutell.com/birthday.cgi/december/29 >D&M Consulting Services (DM-DOM) > 67-67 Burns Street > Forest Hills, NY 11375 > Domain Name: DM.COM > Administrative Contact: > Administration, PSINet Domain (PDA4) >psinet-domain-admin(a)PSI.COM > (703) 904-4100 > Technical Contact, Zone Contact: > Network Information and Support Center (PSI-NISC) >hostinfo(a)psi.com > (518) 283-8860 > Record last updated on 31-Oct-96. > Record created on 19-Jun-91. > Domain servers in listed order: > NS.PSI.NET 192.33.4.10 > NS2.PSI.NET 38.8.50.2 > Source: InterNIC The Pro's say that analysts are born not made. If so whoever wrote this appears to show potential..... Send resume to BLACKNET..... ;) Brian

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[pure noise] filtering Re: "censorship in cyberspace"???
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:29 PM 11/5/96 -0800, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: ... >the "automatic prose generator" technology out there leaves a lot >of other interesting ideas. an ingenious software engineer >with a flair for writing could create some pretty sophisticated >grammars that automatically generate text yet are impossible >to detect over perhaps even dozens of messages output by them. >they could even have their own personalities and writing styles, >if the software engineer were creative and devious enough. ... Consider, however, that when computers match humans in the ability to generate coherent sentences, they might have something useful to say. Even now, search, engine designers are fighting with "web spam" artists who fill thier pages with various "key" words or statements to ensnare hapless browsers. These designers are developing filtering systems to combat this, and these filters could conceivably be ported to the e-mail community to filter machine generated text. There should be a point where the prose spun by asimov's "positronic brains" and that woven by a humans own "natural" brain would be indistingushable. At this point, we might want to hear their opinions, for they should be as valid as any other.

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[noise] Re: Any Info for Sen. Pressler....
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Per Bill Stewart's comment. ... >At this point, I think he's now Ex-Senator Pressler, >if I saw the election returns I think I saw. ... Actually he would be a lame duck. Our elected officials don't take office the moment the returns come in. He has a little while left.

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Re: CLA_sh0
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:46 AM 11/6/96 -0500, John Young wrote: > Unless the West recognizes the power of cultural > conflict, it could perish from ignorance, overconfidence > and complacency. Unless Islam and China recognize the power of Coca Cola, IPOs, blue jeans, TCP/IP, and videos they could perish from lack of interest. DCF "How you gonna keep 'em down on the farm after they've seen Broadway"?

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Re: Compromise proposal
by Dave Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Igor Chudov wrote: > Dave Hayes wrote: > > Improving signal to noise is a laughable goal at a social event of > > more than 100 people, why do people insist upon trying it on the net? > To save time? At the expense of honor? ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave(a)jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet An eye for eye only ends up making the whole world blind. -- Gandhi

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[URGENT] Diffie-Hellman
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C. May's 16Kb brain's single convolution is directly wired to his rectum for input and his T1 mouth for output. That's 16K bits, not bytes. Anal intercourse has caused extensive brain damage.

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Exon's Seat Lost
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Exon's seat goes to Republicans (according to ABC). CDA probably not involved.

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