December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Hh Production-Mail system -- none 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Secure Ware (HannaH)
by Matthew J. Miszewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am looking for any critical information on a security product named "HannaH" from a company called Secure Ware. If there is none and the product is worthwhile, then, great. But I need to know if it is smoke and mirrors from an independant source. Thanks in Advance. Matt

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Re: Anonymous Auth Certificates [was: Re: Blinded Identities]
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I don't see how authorization certificates solve this problem. How >would you determine if someone was qualified to receive an authorization >certificate? And what would you do to make them stop using the service >if they abuse it, and to stop them from getting new authorization >certificates? > >Thanks, >Hal I guess I was mistaken about how rigorous identification checking was performed at various CAs. Verisign used to advertise three levels of CA checking, although I can only find two on their Web site at this time. The lowest, Class 1, is simply tied to your email address and is inadequate for my purposes. Class 2 Digital IDs provide identity assurance by requiring third-party confirmation of your name, mailing address, and other personal information. Although by no means bullet-proof dependence on Class 2 might be a workable alternative to a substantial, up-front, money escrow (as suggested) which I believe would make my service unworkable. -- Steve

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When did Mondex ever claim to be anonymous?
by David J. Phillips 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've been researching the ways in which new payment systems incorporate anonymity, traceability, or identification, and the ways in which those properties are presented by various people to various people. Recently I've been looking particularly at Mondex. I remember receiving the impression several years ago, when I first heard of Mondex, that it was purporting to be anonymous, or at least private. Now, however, I'm beginning a systematic analysis of their press releases and of press accounts, and I find very few references to privacy. One reference is in their web page FAQ, which says that Mondex transactions are "private, just like cash". Simon Davies, in his complaint to the British Trading Standards authorities, also cites this FAQ, claiming that it used to read "anonymous, just like cash". Davies also refers to an anonymity claim in the Mondex Media Pack. But I've found very little else that suggests that Mondex ever hyped privacy. Can anyone give me an idea of how I got the idea that Mondex was making privacy one of its selling points? David Phillips Visiting Instructor, Department of Communication Studies, University of Michigan Doctoral Candidate, Annenberg School for Communication, University of Pennsylvania

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Re: http://www.clintongore96.com/ is hacked.
by David E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: jmr(a)shopmiami.com, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Fri Oct 25 16:35:55 1996 > I am not certain how long this will stay up, so those with mirrors who > are > inclined should visit soon. As of 1630 CST it was still there. Should that cease to be, it's now mirrored at: http://www.prairienet.org/bureau42/clinton.html Share and enjoy. dave - ----- David E. Smith, P O Box 324, Cape Girardeau MO USA 63702 dsmith(a)prairienet.org http://www.prairienet.org/~dsmith send mail with subject of "send pgp-key" for my PGP public key "Better living through chemicals" - unattributed -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMnEyyzVTwUKWHSsJAQHhrAf9EassLGw5U+zR4Yj7z71adDNAcaZR/Z9w Xe4EKIl4V4JtAjb/dmdtjDkzsyCNFhUc1n0r8MYGpumDxRRkYSBZObkQNc7vGOji zmxYBrG6dOC0Dp8YxEqx9oXdGpOnDMDj2PD4Stq4BEDY8QHQlD4s/JbZVovU4KXF E76NnO3yIOd7VXskzi2AL2oLmiNc04/hKqQAIWA8akHfVnbAJceMxg77271db1RE 6TIbJcVpKE6EqbM107TH5x0vUvvUU134dJzOwZUq5yeV7H//s2krm1FN/GrLPC8z /9G3e/mlVT+ZitIf8UeEvsQP6XGkPC8zeQMs4aqaRXjkK7RCjOlefQ== =rxac -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Stopping the buying of candidates
by Matthew J. Miszewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I apologize to the list for this last post by Murder, Inc. My last piece of mail was sent privately to Mr. Bell. He apparently thinks it proper to quote private mail in public. Whatever. > >I wanted to take this crypto-irrelevant discussion off the list. > > If you think the applications for the use of cryptographic blinding > techniques is "crypto-irrelevant" then you're even more clueless than I'd > previously surmised. See Chaum's article of August 1992 if you doubt this. What exactly are your credentials. Your reputation, of course, precedes you. Given that I should have stopped this idiocy a long time ago. > The money will eventually be spendable. But information as to the number > and timing and size of the donations will be disguised using blinding > techniques. Re-read my comments. Explain, please, how you would budget in this situation. Oh, I forgot, when the world realizes that Jim is right, everyone will learn to live their lives like Jim. > Nobody said politics had to be easy. They'll adjust to the new reality; > they always do. see above. > >My point is, Jim, that your idea is unworkable in reality. > > Since you obviously don't understand it, and you also don't understand > cryptographic blinding, why should anybody pay attention to your opinion? Hmmm. How long have you been on the list? What is it I don't understand, specifically. And in private e-mail. > > In theory it would be nice to have complete anonymity. In reality it won't > >work. > > Always overstating your case, I see. For the application I described, it > isn't necessary to have "complete anonymity." What's needed is a healthy > dose of fog and uncertainty, making sure that the candidates can't trust any > claim that a donor has made a donation of any particular size. Explain to me how many campaigns you have run. Explain to me at least a paper you have written (I dont particularly care if you do or dont have a degree, my opinions are based upon your ability to assert and defend a thesis). How many people support your ideas? The revolt must be stealth. Yeah, that's it. > Since today's campaign contribution limits seem to be inherently a violation > of freedom of speech, why not embrace my solution, which doesn't do this? You are right, they do. In your world, there must be only two solutions. Jim's way or the current way. Or better yet, just spout off. > "Constitutionalist"? Hell no! I subscribe to the idea inherent in the > joke, "The Constitution may be bad government, but it's better than what we > have now." I think there's no doubt that a government based scrupulously on > the US Constitution would be a vast improvement. However, we've never had > such a thing. What is your alternative, Jim. Oh yeah, kill all the politicians. Look to the archives folks. **PLONK** > Such "proof" will be easily faked, BTW, which is part of the reason this > system will work so well. I could go to some candidate and claim that I'd > made a $10,000 contribution to his campaign. Jim, how many politicians do you have regular contact with. There were CongressCritters at my wedding, but you know what? If I told them I just made $10,000 donation to their campaign they would not believe me. You know what else? You couldn't get close. Every office on the hill knows of the resident nuts. Its the essence of a killfile, nuts are handed off to the intern. The players are known. I don't particularly care if you believe me. Again what is your experience? > Let's say I'd show him a > (forged) cancelled check. What could he do about it? Would he risk pissing > off a valuable contributor? If he has already raised 100's of thousands of dollars before, he would have no need to deal with you at all. Especially since, I assume from your prior statements that you would get rid of contribution limits. > Sure about that? Let me provide some contrary evidence. Every once in a > while, you'll see on the TV networks a report about corporate (and labor, > BTW) campaign giving, and they will occasionally point out that a given > corporation (or PAC, etc.) gives money BOTH to the Republicans and the > Democrats. They have no reason to do this, except that they think they will > get some benefit in the future from the "access" that contribution produces. Corporate donations? Look it up. Yep, they do. And after you blind the donations, the access will continue to be bought. Politicians can use laws of probability to figure out who has, will and will in the future donate. They can also eliminate a whole bunch of folks. > not the opponents. If they thought it necessary, they would lie about > making a contribution to the other candidate. How many lobbyists do you know Jim? > >Let me ask you this. Do you enjoy the net of today (AOL, Spam, > >XXX-rated transfers bogging down traffic) > > Why should I mind the particular characteristics ("XXX-rated transfers") of > the traffic jams? What are you, some kind of Born-again christian or > something? And while I don't like the spam, either, I am under no illusion Did you protest the COS crap? Well shit Jim, I dont care about the content. Nevermind. > It sounds like you're making a contradition. Previously, you suggested that > a privatized system wouldn't work, but at the end of the last paragraph you > seem to be saying that the blame falls on "the legislature"'s doing > something wrong. Hmm. Blame and workability. What is the connection. Maybe we can all take up a collection so that Jim can go to logic class. > And if you object to being rooked in a company's bankruptcy, complain to the > government who makes itself a preferred creditor in almost all circumstances. I thought we couldnt complain to the Governement? Jeez. Jim, your confusing me. God I must be dumb. Or maybe you are really writing in a style that can easily be decrypted to mean something else. Yeah, Jim, that's it. > If it's "perfectly legal" yet "inherently unfair," it sounds like much of > the blame lies with the legislature, since it is the legislature that is > responsible for the laws. Huh? Blame, workability, its like trying to teach a student with no brain. > >Try looking at election results. > > You still haven't proven your case. How many times do I have to explain probability to you? Jesus, look it up. > You are coming to conclusions without support. As I said before, you've > convinced yourself that you KNOW that a particular election went a > particular way precisely because of "public employees." Sigh! See above. Oh yeah, uh, Jim, you can use that nifty scroll button, > >Actually, in my small city, with under 2000 active voters, it is > >fairly easy to discern the number one identifiable group. I DONT > >deal in theory. I deal in reality, you should try it. While your > >theories are enticing they are TOTALLY without the ability to be > >realized. > > You STILL aren't supporting your claims! Probability. Anyone want to send him a Statistics Textbook? > >Politics deals with probability not certainty. If you had ANY real > >world experience you would know that. Budgets are all dependant upon > >reasonable probabilities. Its really not that hard to grasp. > > How much longer do you intend to waste my time? Oh, Im sorry. You must be planning on taking over the world. Oh yeah, I heard all of your friends jumping to your support. All of the political ties you made with all of your experience are jumping to your aid. I hear only one solitary sound. ***PLONK*** > > > Jim Bell > jimbell(a)pacifier.com > > ++++==============---------------------------- Matthew J. Miszewski |The information revolution has changed wealth: |intellectual capital is now far more important mjmiski(a)execpc.com |than money. -Walter Wriston ----------------------------==============++++

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Re: http://www.clintongore96.com/ ...
by Jim Ray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: dsmith(a)prairienet.org, cypherpunks(a)toad.com, jimg(a)mentat.com Date: Fri Oct 25 18:02:44 1996 I was mistaken, and I now think it's a spoof, not a hack, but regardless it's a good anti-Clinton site, although still the best IMO is: http://www.realchange.org/index.htm Real People For Real Change, a non-affiliated, independent political action committee with nothing nice to say about *anyone*. ^^^^^^^ [I played a small part in convincing them to say bad things about Browne(!) on the theory that bad press is better than no press at all.] Following notes on a Browne-campaign staff -- National Party staff conflict-of-interest, the Real Changers say: "This being the Libertarians, other people argued that the other campaigns should have hired them, too!" To know us is to love us, especially if you are the highest bidder. JMR -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMnE5DW1lp8bpvW01AQFo3AP+KwFdFegX73+2NIyy8l1CseTMb7bH03JN L1r3/waMvrwI3NDUyVoOpHT4o5rQomnQwzbprb8L1yOaM2hv/y2MM6zs5HTtdwpG z6y/Ku9JxWGE4xAw7g2MyYbtBhppNrJxBmwI48ruZk2OPy7tpGqCXWzmVv5QkZ+U Rd9mXSIIeOk= =llKb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: slander and call for lawyers. :)
by Jim Ray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Fri Oct 25 20:29:30 1996 [I sent a version of this note privately to Ray, Sandy, and Unicorn, and now I've decided to send it publicly to the list. Hi Dmitri, you've finally done it.] Uni wrote: > If you don't watch it I'll have a pair of my staff represent him free of > charge. I hereby transfer my pledge of a shipment of guava pastries (that was me) from Sandy's meeting to Black Unicorn's lawyers if he chooses to go ahead with this, since the "let's Meet Dmitri" meeting seems to be off anyway. ;) JMR -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMnFbcm1lp8bpvW01AQEaaAQAj8xsx5RZv56xKKEZhuthlvf9gNZANE+L f82rFV7FRj3BBJyo2phbiYlU8+dXMKIEHv2w5lhqzS2PB9hgwVcap+iOVcd0EqB6 KDOx+ez86gjYqv+Q7bcxxI+cB7iXq/01R+1JUeSTSFnrw6+Vnts8e02DHaTnGxMz qPKFUupyYd4= =u3SP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: NSA Report: Anyone seen this?
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to RF for this pointer for getting the NSA report. We'll get a copy next week and put it on our Web page: http://www.ffhsj.com/bancmail/21starch/961017.htm 21st Century Banking Alert No. 96-10-17 October 17, 1996 National Security Agency Report Raises Systemic Security Issues Related to Anonymous Electronic Money [Snip report summary] If you would like a copy of the report, please contact us at: 21stCen(a)ffhsj.com or (202) 639-7200. Thomas P. Vartanian Robert H. Ledig David L. Ansell Washington, D.C. Visit the 21st Century Banking Alert Page on the World Wide Web at http://www.ffhsj.com/bancmail/bancpage.htm

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http://www.clintongore96.com/ is hacked.
by Jim Ray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Fri Oct 25 10:02:50 1996 A much better job than the Dole-Kemp redirect, IMO. This guy really put some effort into the job, redoing all the sub-pages as well, it seems. For example, from the "health care" page: [Picture of Hillary] "Who better to pick your doctor than America's smartest woman?" I am not certain how long this will stay up, so those with mirrors who are inclined should visit soon. JMR Regards, Jim Ray. -- DNRC Minister of Encryption Advocacy Defeat the Duopoly! Vote Harry & Jo http://www.HarryBrowne96.org/ ___________________________________________________________________ PGP id.E9BD6D35 51 5D A2 C3 92 2C 56 BE 53 2D 9C A1 B3 50 C9 C8 I will generate a new (and bigger) PGP key-pair on election night. jmr(a)shopmiami.com (Preferred) Despite almost every experience I've ever had with federal authority, I keep imagining its competence. -- John Perry Barlow -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMnDIkG1lp8bpvW01AQFsYAP/b+mSc+ROsYI/zfy241hhAiIasly1dCvw OhjLe02Wl+cTg9dte9GV56QTDjwYA+cAsUOicl69PH3EX4SRq7T4n2HuRiY+OE3S O+DUqtUNT9oCG7YQ8c0EiE6LGFK7AIvFZlnr6rcSkilRdZ87lAUSQTw4PhpUsCDL XgMAkdykUyo= =QUCw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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