December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

"But if it saves just one child."
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:51 PM 9/15/96, James A. Donald wrote: ... >Not everyone who sends food to the starving children is ultra >respectable. > >Problem is that the usual cause of starving children is tyranny. ... >It is very common for international charities to develop excessively >friendly relationships with murderous tyrannies, But there is a simple rationale for this behavior... The rallying cry heard so often these days: "But if it saves just one child." Hence the moves to ban guns, the moves to ban cigarettes, the moves to remove violent scenes from movies, books, and video games, and, yes, the close alliances between Save Our Children and the Idi Amins of the world. (Hillary also thinks it takes a village to save the children.) --Tim May, who think GAK and Position Escrow are justified if they save but one child's life. We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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by steve＠tsearch.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Fuckhead
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From varange(a)crl.com Wed Sep 18 10:09:35 1996 Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Wed, 18 Sep 96 11:07:01 EDT for dlv Received: from mail.crl.com by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA17484 for dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com; Wed, 18 Sep 96 10:09:35 -0400 Received: from crl11.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA03230 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com>); Wed, 18 Sep 1996 07:10:02 -0700 Received: by crl11.crl.com id AA21359 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com) Wed, 18 Sep 1996 07:08:08 -0700 From: Troy Varange <varange(a)crl.com> Message-Id: <199609181408.AA21359(a)crl11.crl.com> Subject: Fuckhead To: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 07:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Priority: Fuckhead Precedence: Fuckhead Reply-To: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com In-Reply-To: <Fuckhead> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 10 Fuckhead.

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Re: Spam blacklist project
by craigw＠dg.ce.com.au 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What...only half ;) > Half the population doesn't care who their masters are, as long as they > have masters that tell them what to do. > > --Lucky > ,'~``. \|/ ,'``~. (-o=o-) (@ @) ,(-o=o-), +--.oooO--(_)--Ooo-----oOO-(_)-OOo-------oooO--(_)--Oooo.------+ | | | Soon, we may all be staring at our computers, wondering | | whether they're staring back. | | | | [Network Admin For WPA Business Products. aka doshai >;-) ] | | .oooO http://pip.com.au/~doshai/ Oooo. | | ( ) Oooo. .oooO ( ) | +-----\ (----( )-------oooO-Oooo--------( )--- ) /---------+ \_) ) / \ ( (_/ (_/ \_) Key fingerprint = 2D F4 54 BB B4 EA F1 E7 B6 DE 48 92 FC 8D FF 49 Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key. (if I want to give it to you)

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Re: Fuckhead
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From xreznorx(a)ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 18 21:32:01 1996 Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Wed, 18 Sep 96 22:11:56 EDT for dlv Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA27000 for dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com; Wed, 18 Sep 96 21:32:01 -0400 Received: from (xreznorx(a)dby-ct1-15.ix.netcom.com [205.186.164.47]) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA12134 for <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com>; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 18:31:52 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 18:31:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199609190131.SAA12134(a)dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> From: xreznorx(a)ix.netcom.com (The ReznoR) Subject: Re: Fuckhead To: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) uh, who the fuck r u? You wrote: > >>From varange(a)crl.com Wed Sep 18 10:09:35 1996 >Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) > via UUCP; Wed, 18 Sep 96 11:07:01 EDT > for dlv >Received: from mail.crl.com by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; > id AA17484 for dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com; Wed, 18 Sep 96 10:09:35 -0400 >Received: from crl11.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA03230 > (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com>); Wed, 18 Sep 1996 07:10:02 -0700 >Received: by crl11.crl.com id AA21359 > (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com) Wed, 18 Sep 1996 07:08:08 -0700 >From: Troy Varange <varange(a)crl.com> >Message-Id: <199609181408.AA21359(a)crl11.crl.com> >Subject: Fuckhead >To: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) >Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 07:08:08 -0700 (PDT) >Priority: Fuckhead >Precedence: Fuckhead >Reply-To: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com >In-Reply-To: <Fuckhead> >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Length: 10 > >Fuckhead. >

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The daily warning about Timothy May, the ignorant buffoon
by /dev/null＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy May is widely recognized on the net, because of his frequent vitriolic postings, as someone/thing ready to cut off his own penis to spite the testicles, although his few real-world friends recognize him better from the rear.

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Re: XPA_nix
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:22:10 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >> > Cheswick opines,"This is the first major attack of a kind that I believe to >> > be the final Internet security problem." >> Harrumph. We should only BE so lucky. >I don't remember if Ches was quoted correctly, but its more or less >true -- we know how to deal with most classes of major problems, but >denial of service is still a major question mark. I suspect its the >last big frontier. Hopefully it will die out if things ever switch over to a digicash payment scheme. Then only the big guys would mess with it... # Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp # cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 "I have never been able to figure out why anyone would want to play games on a computer in any case when the whole system is a game. Word processing, spreadsheets, telecoms -- it's all a game. And they pay you to play it." -- Duncan Frissell

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Re: a simple cypher scheme
by David E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: sjohnson(a)packetengines.com, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Wed Sep 18 23:06:32 1996 > i've been on cypherpunks for about a year a half now, and have > wacthed > many interesting threads pass by but i've never posited anything. what > has > brought me out into the open is this : i work for an engineering firm > doing > asic design, i use pgp ( as do all rational persons ), a co-worker here > has > come up with a 'cypher' scheme that he would like to use to send code to > our > clients. the scheme is this : he would take the file of code and pad > all > lines to the length of the longest line, he would then preform column > swaps, > and then row swaps, to 'mix up' the file. the person receiving the file > would then preform the opposite functions to recover the file. it seems > so > simple that it can't be good. i've convenced him to use pgp, but i > would > like some input if possible on why his cypher scheme is not a good one. > > thanx > Okay... well, in order to undo whatever was done (the column swaps and row swaps, and the pads), the formula has to be transmitted. Assuming that someone can intercept that as well as the alleged cyphertext, it's no-good. It's the whole "secure channel" issue. (Also, some information would have to be attached to the file containing the orignial end-of-lines for each line, or the padding will be difficult to tell from the legitimate code.) dave - ----- David E. Smith, P O Box 324, Cape Girardeau MO USA 63702 dsmith(a)prairienet.org http://www.prairienet.org/~dsmith send mail with subject of "send pgp-key" for my PGP public key "The world's at stake. Don't confuse me with details." -- Captain America, "Onslaught" ... famous last words -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMkDGyzVTwUKWHSsJAQHD3Af9H+Vq4qFnv9JWPY0E7x8zuXM4Om3zGZ2O sQYKOR/zAZ6qXLA8a9/C//yMPzRIVf0msd/fytt1PDB+Ei2t7+87EIOjETEwGtOp hmpioj0IUkYwxAvVV7Ihmw+6bxKCGPolxHekPyjfdI58eZt/aAzh8tcS9X4htxGH DzgKBm/OEZwMa1PulRWYQdDQmQCN9Cgno87RJn+e1kvE8wgrhYaLy5TOZKl99Vpb LgXj+CAbMm7WkXZT52scIX/hkcjbMxIEilYX7HfdIFKg7yv3O9ioeba14szafqPd KOU2DNL1rLA+yHUm0jnNQ6SugnMHRey5/hRq2XSBAyaK4IRagCkslw== =g6AI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: SPAMS
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: GAK, GAP, GAY
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:49 AM 9/19/96, Rabid Wombat wrote: >Don't get me wrong - I'm not disagreeing with you about how grim your >points are. I just wanted to point out that information "could" be >released to researchers without identifying the patient - researchers are >generally interested in statistical data, such as the incidence of cancer >per zip code, etc., which doesn't require your name to be released. Zip >codes are sufficiently populated that this probably is of no danger to >privacy. Fine, if they can convince me that of this, I may consent to letting them in on my secrets. I surmise that asking permission of patients is not part of the plan, though. Secondly--and this is actually a crypto-related point (!)--it does not take much "blinded information" to figure out the correlations between patients and data. It obviously depends on the amount of information, but it's possible. (Recall similar arguments about the census data being sold to direct marketers: even with blinding of names, correlation was trivial in many cases. This caused even more people to simply state the number of (putative) living beings at their address and to "respectfully decline" to answer the detailed questions about racial makeup ("Mein Censusfuhrer, ich bin Aryan!"), income levels, diseases,insurance, employer, number of televisions, etc.) >OTOH, the potential for mis-use of such records is high, and allowing >access to a huge number of commercial sites, and their employees, >certainly opens a lot of holes. It will be a zoo. Tens of thousands of people will have access to one's records, and there will be no pretense that the system has even Clipper-like levels of protection. A psychotherapist acquaintance of mine is so worried about _existing_ lapses in patient-therapist confidentiality (basically, insurance companies are demanding detailed summaries of diagnoses and treatments, and demanding that he give them reports before they will pay...further evidence that those seeking treatment ought to pay cash and not have insurance companies in the loop on this sort of thing) that he has become and advocate of using PGP. --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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