December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Internal Passports
by jfricker＠vertexgroup.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:37 PM 8/5/96 -0700, you wrote: >At 1:01 AM 8/6/96, Duncan Frissell wrote: > >>The SS resists issuing new numbers in spite of widespread duplication and >>theft. Soon people will find themselves denied the right to work in this >>country unless the SS reverses this reluctance. If your SS# is stolen and >>used "too many times" in a future worker verification program, you're >>screwed. And there won't even be any welfare for you. >> >>Use Alta Vista to find the SS Number FAQ. There's more stuff. > >BTW, I attempted to comply with the law in a recent request posted to >ba.jobs.offered and scruz.general: I solicited workers for some brush >clearing on my place, but advised them to only apply if--appearing to be >Hispanic, Latin, Mexican, or otherwise unOfficial--they provided proof of >their legal ability to work for me. > Hmmm. Actually a long time ago I lost my job with Greenpeace out of refusal to sign an I-9 which was in '86 the Department of Justice's form to exhibit eligibility to work in the US. The form required that I present two pieces of photo identification or a driver's license to be authenticated by my employer. Maybe it's a CA state law that adds an additional skin tone criterium to for the filing of an I-9. --j

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Re: Censorship through proxy
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:23 PM 8/6/96, Joel McNamara wrote: >SingNet, one of Singapore's larger ISPs is telling all of their subscribers >they must move to using SingNet's proxy server by September 14, 1996 if they >want to have access to the Web. > >If you try to access one of the SBA's banned sites, you'll get a message >that says, "The site you requested is not accessible." > >Check out: > >http://www.singnet.com.sg/cache/sbareg.html Sing Sing (the country is now a prison, so...) is one of the states we should think about targetting for "special attention." Not in the sense of violence, but in the sense of offering help to freedom fighters, those who want to use stego, web proxies, etc. I wonder what would happen if "Computers, Freedom, and Privacy '98" was held in Sing Sing? --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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PGP public key servers are useful! [noise?]
by David E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Mon Aug 05 16:43:42 1996 Over the last couple of weeks, I've noticed a lot of subscribers who PGP clearsign their messages, but who haven't uploaded their keys to any of the public keyservers. Those keys are most useful when they're available to people who might want to use them, so I'm asking those of you who haven't sent them to a keyserver to do so. (The quick version: paste your key in cleartext into a letter, sent to pgp-public-keys(a)pgp.mit.edu with the subject: ADD. If you don't have it in cleartext, do pgp -kxa and follow the prompts.) TIA, dave - ---- David E. Smith POB 324 Cape Girardeau MO USA 63702 dsmith(a)prairienet.org http://www.prairienet.org/~dsmith send mail of 'send pgp-key' subject for my PGP public key "Heard a lot of talk about this Jesus, a man of love, a man of strength; but what a man was two thousand years ago means nothing at all to me today ... " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Automagically signed with Pronto Secure for Windows. iQEVAwUBMgZrGzVTwUKWHSsJAQGRtwf/TPjleUXsqf2GcEsutZNnyYD82bYM2ZT/ NQm0BeUTcNdU+jA/2z5aiy+FRozcL6EeIDPULtCGeMvDYu95vBOjnimIxMjng9J6 mIpFIQzXUN4ZDdE7m1khbn8Vdk/V0kehQL318LzB484SQILWNYvTNrj/cDq6CdKW RMyyOH3+5VH1xRZJjFYvTsKnCszmtZIIvrjOt9+nX/j02bWnZRV7IGbOFjSrCL6p r1TZG/TnU60YGz/TaUhp5OCj0bFlkFQlg+NmcwR9j4rlIza9ujBSuGIcflMRWTG3 ighrCC9cpL1v/qJkHXKy67xdvIZWlq7UiyqTRUEBg7rwjSBca0YgZQ== =rDtm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Internal Passports
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:06 AM 8/6/96 -0700, Marshall Clow wrote: >I have found that promising to provide the necessary docs, and then failing to do so, is the least confrontational and most effective way around this. > >"Delay is the deadliest form of denial" Works for me as well. Likewise, self employment. DCF

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Read; NOW
by Unix_Code 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi I'm Unix Code and have a few things to ask...(it may not go with Cryptography but go ahead and read) ------------==------------------==-----------------==-------------------==------ [Bill Gates] What is wrong with him? I don't see any thing bad about him, instead I see the guy who helped the best computer system of all become the most used around the world. PC's. If he weren't here then probobly we'd be using Macs Instead, OR that we may be using a PC, But it's Super Expensive. I don't understand.. why people are so mad at him. Now... I may get tons of letters saying that you're wrong, and that he sux. But think about it. (I may also want to add..that the most known drink in at least [hacking] is jolt Cola (http://www.joltcola.com) and ya know what.... he drinks it too. [AOL and others] **NOTE: When I mention AOL..I mean all of the online services. I know I know... this is probobly going to be the most stupidest thing in the world...but I'm going to say it. Alot of people hate AOL because of the money you have to pay.. or people hate Prodidgy, CompuServe, etc. But lets put money aside.. (even though it's a big issue.) AOL is actually [with out the money] a great service. It has a 3.0 web browser which supports frames. It has great Libraries of software. Great Chat Rooms. Great Hackers. Great People. And it is a great atmusphere. and great [places.] Its money that's the problem. [Hackers] Either you are a hacker, general user, or cryptography person, or a curious user who wants to know alot of stuff from the advanced minds reading this mailinglist. so lets put it straight. A hacker is a person who can get arund the software. I am a hacker. I rate classes of hackers from A to F. A - Person who can get around the software, knows how to use it destructively, has hacked more than 10 times, has no care for family, and has a bad temper, never gets out of the house, and drinks jolt cola more than 5 times a day. B - Person who can get around the software, knows how to use it destructively, has hacked more than 5 times, has a bad temper, rarely gets out, and drinks jolt cola more than 5 times a day. C - Person who can get around the software, knows how to use it destructively, has hacked more than 3 times, has a bad temper, gets out twice a week, drinks jolt cola more than 3 times a day, and has a family. D - Person who can get around the software, knows how to use it destructively, has hacked 1 time, has a farely bad temper, gets out for work, drinks jolt cola more than 5 times a day, has an income, has a family. E - Person who can get around the software, Person who can get around the software, knows how to use it destructively, has hacked never hacked, has a controled temper, gets out for work and family, drinks jolt cola more than 3 times a day, has an income,and has a family. F - Person who can get around the software, has a controled temper, gets out for work and family, drinks jolt cola , has an income, and has a family. Z - Person who can get around the software, knows how to use it destructively, has hacked never hacked anything big, has a bad temper, gets out for family, drinks jolt cola more than 3 times a day, has no income, has a family, goes to school, stays on the computer forever. I am a Class Z Hacker. MayBe alot of people won't thinka hacker is Kevin Mitnick, but instead... Bill Gates. ------------==------------------==-----------------==-------------------==------ Thanks, ----UC 3-D by UC (Sux.. but I don't care!) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$^ ^$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$^ ^UUUUUUUUUUUU$$$$UUUUUUUUUUUU$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$CCCCCCCCCC$$$$$$$$$$$$^ ^$UUUUUUUUU$$$$$$$UUUUUUUU$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$CCCCCCCCCCCC$$$$$$$$$$$^ ^$UUUUUUUUU$$$$$$$UUUUUUUU$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$CCCCCC$$$$$CCCC$$$$$$$$$^ vi@ ^$UUUUUUUUU$$$$$$$UUUUUUUU$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$CCCCCC$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$^ Em@il ^$UUUUUUUU$$$$$$$$UUUUUUU $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$CCCCCC$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$^ ^$UUUUUUU$$$$$$$$UUUUUUU$$$ http:// $$$$$$$CCCCCC$$$$$$$$CCCCCCC$$^unix_code@ ^$UUUUU$$$$$$$$$UUUUUU$$ www.geocities.com $CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC$$$$$^geocities ^$UUUUUU$$$$$$$$UUUUU$ /CapitolHill/2381/ $$$$cccccccccccccc$$$$$^.com ^$$$UUUUUU$$$$$$$UUUUU $$$$$$cccccccccc$$$$$$^ ^$$$UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$^ ^$$$$UUUUUUUUUUUUU$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$^ ^$$$$$UUUUUUUUUUU$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$^ ^$$$$$$$UUUUUUU$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$^ ^$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$^ ^$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Re: Drive the SF Central
by pjn＠nworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>CBS radio news this morning: 80,000 commuters traveling the central >>f'way in SF will have information mailed to them regarding the quake retrofit >>How? Their license plates have been photographed. >You *are* making this up, right? Please say you did. In> It's possible today, and probably affordable. If not, it will be in In> 1-2 years, as Moore's law cranks down processing costs and video In> technology improves. For this application, they don't have to In> photograph every car, or read every plate successfully, or do it in In> real time. The objective is to get lots of drivers to take other In> routes or mass transit so they don't have to dump all the traffic onto In> surface streets right around the construction. Wasn't there something about these cameras in the latest 2600? (BTW, there was also alot of information on encryption in the issue, too.) P.J. pjn(a)nworks.com ... TagX Pro of Borg - "Your tagline will be assimilated." ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]

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Re: editorial: information havenots already have not
by an366601＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Nyms I'd vote for
by Jim Ray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Rich Graves <rich(a)c2.org> wrote: >On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, John F. Fricker wrote: > >> #3) The goal is the anonymous citizen. The first step it to secure >> #the data >> currently exposed. Can this be done _without_ legislation? > >I disagree with this goal. The anonymous consumer/worker, yes; the >public has no business knowing what I as an economic actor buy, read, >and think. If I choose to participate fully in the political system, >though, in ways that go beyond votes and petty contributions to >others' campaigns, the public has an interest in my identity and >biases. Anonymous voices can and should be heard, and they can and >should be influential at times, but they don't get to run for office. [Rant -- you touched a sore spot here, Rich.] And I disagree with Rich, at least in regard to the present system. My "representative," is Ileanna Ros Lehtinen (R.). No Democrats have chosen to run against her, and the Demopublican's beloved ballot laws prevent me from running and actually getting on the ballot. I would GLADLY vote for either Lucky Green or Black Unicorn if these nyms were running against this statist woman, but I am not given that (or any other) choice by the state. She has already "won" the "election," and thus will NOT APPEAR on the ballot. The state of Florida assumes that I would rather not vote for None Of The Above [NOTA], and my state is, once again, wrong. The Florida Supreme Court is carefully ignoring the Constitution(s) they all swore to uphold in these cases, and I am trying to use any medium I can to trumpet this fact, so that solutions like Mr. Bell's (yes, Jim, I know you have one for this, too) don't start sounding better and better. <sigh> :( [End Rant] P.S. Lucky & Uni: don't worry, I plan to [try to] write in "Jim Ray." JMR Regards, Jim Ray -- DNRC Minister of Encryption Advocacy "Ray's corrolary to Murphy's Law: 'You will be spared NOTHING.'" -- P. C. Ray (my dad) Defeat the Duopoly! Vote "NOTA," not Slick/Dull in November. Harry Browne for President. Jo Jorgensen for Vice-president. http://www.HarryBrowne96.org/ ___________________________________________________________________ PGP id.E9BD6D35 51 5D A2 C3 92 2C 56 BE 53 2D 9C A1 B3 50 C9 C8 <mailto:liberty@gate.net> http://www.shopmiami.com/prs/jimray Coming soon, the "Pennies For Perot" page. Keep billionaires off welfare! ___________________________________________________________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMgxaBW1lp8bpvW01AQGRIQP+OZebKXfGgsKTdzIzld1vomnVqnB4nQ3L C0iDcTPqsEuEN/39nb+BinccCvjM3vvdxTVOYhs9QS1Gdf4TwkUE8+k3oWc1X7hy AtLcemGGQ+pwyMwfqd6gAboLM9oeg/QeRtaa+MXSdrl8WU/KCTWxeIQTH1/LPKLq 9KiTlgHH+2U= =tBZy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Fw: SafE Mail Corporation
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 23:58 8/9/96, Bryan Reece wrote: >Afraid so. But they do challenge hackers to break it (the old `here's >some ciphertext, doesn't this look secure?' thing). They also offer a >`free demo version', but due to federal law they can't make it >available over the net so they do this: We showed their software to be worthless a few months ago. I am surprised they are still selling it. They are opening themselves up for some very nasty litigation. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Defeat the Demopublican Unity Party. Vote no on Clinton/Dole in November. Vote Harry Browne for President.

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RLR_lsl
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

8-10-96, NYP: Peter Steinfels, religion columnist, compares the "religious right" with the "life-style left," and examines how the perjoratives are employed to oversimplify and stigmatize -- an example of the pitfall A. Mehta has critiqued on Cypherpunks: "binary thinking." The real opposite number to the religious right is the life-style left, which includes people who are religious and people who are not. It includes some welfare-state liberals and some anti-government libertarians. What unites the life-style left is the belief that In regard to the widest possible range of basic choices about how to live, the state should refrain from exerting its influence. The more basic the question, the less the role of the state. ----- http://jya.com/rlrlsl.txt (7 kb) RLR_lsl

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