December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: cycle market
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:14 AM 6/4/96 -0400, SINCLAIR DOUGLAS N wrote: >Graphical rendering is one place where I might like a cycle >market. Finite element simulation is another. Sinclair mentions some of my favorites. Others are: (1) Attacking RSA-nnn challanges. (2) Brute forcing 56 bit keys to demonstrate that 1DES is obsolete. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Paper about electronic cash and common currencies available
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Sender: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com Reply-To: Wolfgang Roeckelein <wolfgang.roeckelein(a)wiwi.uni-regensburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Precedence: Bulk Date: Tue, 4 Jun 96 11:14:41 +0200 From: Wolfgang Roeckelein <wolfgang.roeckelein(a)wiwi.uni-regensburg.de> To: Multiple recipients of <e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com> Subject: Paper about electronic cash and common currencies available Hello everybody, our paper titled "A Common Currency System for Spontaneous Transactions on Public Networks" is available online under http://www.whu-koblenz.de/~wolfgang/CommonCurrency/ Perhaps somebody might be interested. Thank you for your attention, Wolfgang Roeckelein --- Dipl.-Wirtsch.Inf. Voice: +49 941 943 2998 Wolfgang Roeckelein Fax: +49 941 943 4986 Uni Regensburg E-Mail: roeckelein(a)wi.whu-koblenz.de Universitaetsstr. 31 Wolfgang.Roeckelein(a)wiwi.uni-regensburg.de D-93053 Regensburg (MIME and NeXTmail ok) Germany WWW: http://www.whu-koblenz.de/~wolfgang/ GCM/B d-- s: a- C++ US+++$ UX+++ P+ L E? W++ N++ w-- O-(++) M+ !V PS++ PE Y+ PGP(++) t+ 5? X? R+ tv b++ DI D++ G e+++>++++ h+ r++>% y? (Geek Code V3.x) --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "If they could 'just pass a few more laws', we would all be criminals." --Vinnie Moscaritolo The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/

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Re: Class III InfoWar: TST Article
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Jun 04, 1996 12:29:02, 'Dan Haskovec <dhaskove(a)ucsd.edu>' wrote: >Here's the reply I got from a friend that I forwarded it to.... > > >and the verdict is... NetMYTH! I checked the cite in the article on >cyberterrorism... no such article ran on 6/2/96 in the Times >(London)... nor, in fact, in any newspaper available on Nexis... >just thought I would let you know... Gosh, Dan, your friend may want to double-check. After reading Winn Schwartau's post, I bought a copy of The Sunday Times here in NYC late Sunday in which the article led at the top of the Front Page. Be glad to fax anyone a copy who may want such, ahem, verification. E-mail me a number. However, I acknowledge that there is a chance that the TLAs, or Net security/info war consultants (like Schwartau, et al) planted the article, a fake to generate scare-funding and boost conference attendance. Or maybe it's a classic Brit joke, a spoof -- or a sting by the Intergalactic Net Police. Strange terrorist ripoffs happen -- incredible IPOs, vaporware millionaires, and such.

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cycle market
by bryce＠digicash.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I was trying to think what I would use a cycle market for. The only thing that I wait for more than a minute on currently is compiling. It might be quicker to ship my source code to a remote compilation service with big pipes and big engines. Considering that I've got a Pentium 120 on my desktop, though, those would have be pretty big engines to make up for the time lost in transmission of source and compiler output (both compiler messages and object files.) Just musing out loud. Regards, Bryce -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i Comment: Auto-signed under Unix with 'BAP' Easy-PGP v1.1b2 iQB1AwUBMbQ/d0jbHy8sKZitAQHRFgL/Ydkbb4ieFryq1ZRwAVPR0/gksKdVMJ88 rWXGmqpHh810mi1vqgEjWL3XSJL1ogoN6GXuvpZQufvN0ldShOr+fDiodYX6g53K gK+6Z5WTUzTS6Wn1I/IGuSQ86Om4+JOg =MQ0q -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: (VTW) BillWatch #48
by Carl Ellison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The NRC gets points for putting out a report that will become useful in the months to come. The White House gets an 'F' for their handling of encryption policy. Even in the face of two expert studies on their policy, they continue to stick to a failed, unpopular policy. <<<< I was at the EPIC conference yesterday (6/3) -- where Whit Diffie, BTW, presented the same argument Steven Cherry gave in this BillWatch -- but at the end of the EPIC conference we had Scott Charney of DoJ on a panel about what the OECD is doing (pushing Clipper internationally) and we kept going round with him on the administration's pushing of Clipper (N). [One attendee described this as "forum shopping" -- looking for a friendly place to push Clipper.] There were people battling him over his alleged representation of the USA at the OECD -- claiming he was misrepresenting the country by pushing Clipper. His response was that the Executive is empowered to do all international meetings/negotiations/.... After the meeting ended it hit me what the problem is and I mentioned it to PRZ. We're complaining that the Executive has gone rogue -- is disobeying the will of the people. PRZ likened it to Nixon's war in Cambodia. So, maybe it's nothing new -- just a new playing field for the same old game. - Carl +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Carl M. Ellison cme(a)acm.org http://www.clark.net/pub/cme | |PGP: E0414C79B5AF36750217BC1A57386478 & 61E2DE7FCB9D7984E9C8048BA63221A2| | "Officer, officer, arrest that man! He's whistling a dirty song." | +-------------------------------------------- Jean Ellison (aka Mother) -+

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Asendmail v0.5beta
by Ben Holiday 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Okay, so i'm an idiot. :) I ran out the door in such a hurry on friday that I didn't bother to make the asendmail package globally readable. Apologies to everyone who tried to get a copy and got a permission denied. It is now really and truely available from: http://www.infonex.com/~ncognito/asendmail.tar.gz Sorry for the hassles.

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Electronic Signature Act Of 1996
by Ben Holiday 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(Condensed from AP article) Florida now recognizes electronic signatures as legal and binding. In other words - its okay to sign it by modem. The electronic Signature Act of 1996 passed the Legislature unanimously and became law Friday. The law does not specify how an electronic document must be signed, but it probably will mean coding the text and typed signature so they cannot be changed by anyone other than the writer. California and Utah are the only other states that have laws recognizing electronic signatures.

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Where are the cryptographers going to come from?
by nelson＠crynwr.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >----- Forwarded Cyberia-L message (DAVID POST <postd(a)EROLS.COM>) -----< > Someone else pointed to a recent story in the Economist, which > listed the leading encryption software/services companies > worldwide, each of which is Israeli. > > Bidzos made the claim, and many others echoed, that the export > controls are in the process of doing nothing more than ceding a > potentially lucrative market to others, a market in which the US > might otherwise be expected to be the dominant player. It may > even, in the eyes of some, be too late to undo this damage. Not only that, but where are the cryptographers of the future going to come from for the NSA to recruit? Israel?? Oh right, foreign nationals privy to our own highest secrets, give me a break. Do they intend to train them themselves? If so, that's identical in principle to universities granting tenure to their own graduates. You get inbred that way, so universities don't do that. The principle behind crypto secrecy presumes that other people don't have the secret. Once they do, you only hurt yourself by trying to keep a double-edged sword in the closet. The NSA believes that they can and should discard any amount of benefits of crypto in exchange for avoiding any harm of crypto. They are wrong. -russ <nelson(a)crynwr.com> http://www.crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | PGP ok 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | It's no mistake to err on Potsdam, NY 13676 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | the side of freedom.

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Re: Java
by Clay Olbon II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Frantz <frantz(a)netcom.com> wrote: >In the long run, I hope to use Java to sell cycles. Java has the advantage >in a cycle market that it is machine independent, and the Just In Time >compilers should make the performance reasonable. > Has anyone written a Java app to implement the Chinese Lottery? Seems like a natural way to do it. A small cash prize might entice lots of folks to let it run in the background... Clay --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clay Olbon II | Clay.Olbon(a)dynetics.com Systems Engineer | ph: (810) 589-9930 fax 9934 Dynetics, Inc., Ste 302 | http://www.msen.com/~olbon/olbon.html 550 Stephenson Hwy | PGP262 public key: on web page Troy, MI 48083-1109 | pgp print: B97397AD50233C77523FD058BD1BB7C0 TANSTAAFL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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(Fwd) Crypto conference
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>----- Forwarded Cyberia-L message (DAVID POST <postd(a)EROLS.COM>) -----< I was at EPIC's annual crypto conference yesterday, and just thought I'd pass along my impressions. It was, as always, extremely interesting; EPIC does a terrific job at these things of getting a very diverse and thoughtful collection of people with interests in crypto policy into the room together, everyone from Whit Diffie and Phil Zimmermann and Eric Hughes to Scott Charney of DOJ and Bruce McConnell of the White House, people from the OECD and the hardware/software community, etc. There were panels on key escrow, digital cash, international developments, and the Karn/Bernstein cases and other domestic policy developments. To me, the most striking feature of the event was what I felt was a new bite to the complaints about export controls. People have been complaining, needless to say, about these for a while -- but the *economic* case for lifting controls is now in the forefront of the discussion in a way that was not the case before, imho. Indeed, there wasn't an enormous amount of talk about the *privacy* implications of encryption this time at all. Jim Bidzos of RSA gave a very powerful talk at lunch, at which he unveiled two chips that are now being mass produced by Nippon Telephone, one incorporating the Triple-DES algorithm, and one with the RSA public key algorithm. Someone else pointed to a recent story in the Economist, which listed the leading encryption software/services companies worldwide, each of which is Israeli. Bidzos made the claim, and many others echoed, that the export controls are in the process of doing nothing more than ceding a potentially lucrative market to others, a market in which the US might otherwise be expected to be the dominant player. It may even, in the eyes of some, be too late to undo this damage. Now, some of this may be exaggerated, special interest whining. But there's an interesting hook here. Many have talked about the importance of control over "standards " in network industries, the importance of obtaining an early dominant position in the market that can appropriate all of the network externalities waiting to be plucked out there. [Mark Lemley has an interesting discussion of this in a piece on antitrust on the Net -- Mark, is that out anywhere yet?] Acting quickly to penetrate the market becomes critical, not just because markets change on "Internet Time," but also because the early entrants have a chance of establishing themselves as de facto standards and thereby extending their dominance over time. This, one can plausibly argue, is what is happening -- has happened? -- in this market. It is more credible in these kinds of markets to argue, as Bidzos was arguing, that if government policymakers wait until there's actual evidence of damage, of "lost market share," to US companies, that it will at that point already be too late to do anything about the damage. ---------- [Second Cyberia-L message by David Post] One other interesting issue generated heated discussion -- as in yelling and screaming between audience and panel -- at the EPIC conference. Scott Charney of DOJ, who heads the US delegation to the OECD crypto guidelines conference, was subjected to pretty heated questioning about the possibility that the US is trying to use the international forum as a way to move a particular policy agenda that is *not* being successfully peddled at home, and then to use the international support as a means of moving the domestic policy debate in that direction. Jamie Boyle of AU was particularly eloquent about this concern (I raised it too, less eloquently) -- I think it fair to say that both of us had the copyright experience in the back of our minds, where, many of us believe, the US has been pushing the "Lehman agenda" in international discussions as a way of presenting Congress with a kind of fait accompli. Charney vigorously denied that this was going on -- he strongly argued that since the OECD guidelines are non-binding (unlike, say, the treaty obligations being discussed in the copyright context), there's simply nothing wrong with discussing these clearly global issues with our international partners. It was, as they say in the press, a spirited exchange. David ********************************* David G. Post, Georgetown University Law Center Postd(a)erols.com 202-364-5010 Cyberspace Law Institute home page http://www.cli.org ********************************* David ********************************* David G. Post, Georgetown University Law Center Postd(a)erols.com 202-364-5010 Cyberspace Law Institute home page http://www.cli.org *********************************

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