December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Fwd: subscribe cyberwire dispatch
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >From: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >To: "brock(a)well.com" <brock(a)well.com> >Date: Thu, 06 Jun 96 15:37:46 >Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: PMMail 1.5 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Subject: subscribe cyberwire dispatch > subscribe cyberwire dispatch If this account belongs to an actual human, my apologies for treating you like a mailerbot. This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== /* From Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> on a Warped PC running a proudly unregistered (for now) PMMAIL 1.5! The Enigman Group - We do Web Pages! */ This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com.

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Fwd: Re: [crypto] crypto-protocols for trading card gam
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >From: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >To: "cypherpunks" <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> >Date: Thu, 30 May 96 01:22:36 >Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: PMMail 1.5 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Subject: Re: [crypto] crypto-protocols for trading card gam > On 29 May 1996 18:57:58 pdt, alanh(a)infi.net wrote: >What _did_ Solitaire do for Windows 3.1? Distract the attention of >the unwashed masses away from the actual merits of the beast? Actually, I believe it covered a direct lack thereof. (Of course, you could have been intending this in a heavily sarcastic form. In that case, I agree entirely) This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== /* From Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> on a Warped PC running a proudly unregistered (for now) PMMAIL 1.5! The Enigman Group - We do Web Pages! */ This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com.

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Re: whitehouse web incident, viva la web revolution
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I wrote: > As usual you display profound ignorance of history and politics. Oops! This entire "fascism is a form of socialism" thread started in a troll by Detwieler --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: Micropayments: myth?
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:05 PM 6/6/96 -0400, Jeff Barber wrote: >Or are you saying that each IP packet will have an appropriately sized >digital cash payment attached? That seems like too much overhead. >And besides, that contradicts your idea that the user would explicitly >approve each wallet access. > >It gets even worse if you're an ISP, you obviously can't sit there >and approve each session that goes by (even if you could distinguish >higher level session boundaries which you won't be able to do). Are >you just to assume at the end of the day that everything worked >perfectly and you received enough revenue to cover your costs without >knowing anything about the payment/usage profiles of any of your >customers? And how is the ISP's network provider to know how much to >charge the ISP? I think I'm starting to sound like a broken record, so I'll stop with this post. Some of the issues you are discussing are addressed by the Digital Silk Road proposal from Norm Hardy and Dean Tribble. See: http://www.agorics.com/agorics/dsr.html Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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SF Bay Area Physical Cpunks Meeting, June 8th, Stanford Turing Aud
by Just Rich 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This Saturday, Turing Auditorium, Noon-5. Unrestricted Ethernet connectivity (both thinnet and 10BaseT) will be available; email me for an IP address. Turing Aud has a Mac and a PC on the Net connected to an EXCELLENT presentation system. If you have something you'd like to show off, this is the place, and we're still short on topics. Graphical actualizations of ideas raised at the last meeting regarding crypto GUIs would be one way to use the space. The agenda is rather slim... Hugh was working on it, but nobody seems to have anything to say. If we get really desperate for ideas, I might end up talking about what I've REALLY been doing for the last five months. Dave Harman will probably miss this one, but he's still invited. Long, anal form of the directions follows. -rich When: June 8th, Noon-5. Where: Turing Auditorium, Stanford University. Directions and maps below. Your Hosts: Hugh Daniels <hugh(a)toad.com>, speaker wrangler/emcee Rich Graves <llurch(a)networking.stanford.edu>, venue/den mother/fucking * Amenities: * Seating for 100 (should be enough) * Plenty of white boards * Air conditioning * High-end Mac and Windoze PC on the Internet, both hard-wired into an EXCELLENT projection system, 800x600x16-bit or so * Open 10Base2 and 10BaseT Ethernet drops for your laptop, no firewall to Net; email rich(a)c2.org for IP address * One analog phone * NO munchies within 5 minutes' walk, but Rich will bring bagels * NO plugging your own laptops into the projection system; however, the Mac will have an X server and, of course, web clients Dinner: Fanny & Alexander's? Or Jing Jing again? Directions: If you have a GPS receiver, head for 37.4296875N 122.1783752E. If you have excellent hearing, call 415-853-9080 and follow the ringing. Or, get to Stanford's Campus Drive via 280-Sand Hill or 101-El Camino Real-Embarcadero. From 280, take Campus Drive left (clockwise). From 101, take Campus Drive right (counterclockwise). Turn South (centripetal) at Panama Street and take an immediate left into the Jordan Quad parking lot (empty on weekends). Walk between Pine and Redwood Halls to Polya. Turing is between Polya and Cypress. It doesn't appear on most campus maps, but it's there, honest. Entrance to Turing Auditorium is by the Pac Bell payphone sign. Maps: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/group/Transportation/PGrid4.html (parking) http://www.stanford.edu/gifs/campus.1620-63-4.gif (800K campus map) http://www.stanford.edu/home/visitors/vicinity.html (note: upside down!) Socialized transportation: CalTrain to the Palo Alto station; 20-minute walk or arrange to be picked up by a local. 7F bus. See http://www.stanford.edu/group/Transportation/ -rich quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur

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Re: Where does your data want to go today?
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 30 May 1996 07:56:26 pdt, EALLENSMITH(a)ocelot.Rutgers.EDU wrote: >From: IN%"mclow(a)owl.csusm.edu" "Marshall Clow" 29-MAY-1996 19:18:31.60 > >>* Why encrypt before compression? If the encryption is any good, then the >>encrypted data won't compress much at all. However, compression before >>encryption has its own problems. > > What problems does compression before encryption have? It at least >seems to work for PGP. The most significant would be the presence of a compression header (what has the data telling how to decompress a datastream). If you leave this in (for instance, assuming you were to use PKZIP (STUPID!) you would have PK as the first two bytes EVERY TIME!) you give your codebreaker a HUGE advantage. You can bypass this by removing ANY information which isn't message specific and standardizing on one compression method. Alternately, you could use your session key to encrypt a length word and then pad the start (and end) with a string of random characters. This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. /* From Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> on a Warped PC running a proudly unregistered (for now) PMMAIL 1.5! The Enigman Group - We do Web Pages! */ This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com.

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Re: [Off-Topic] "Curfews"
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 6 Jun 96 at 17:55, jim bell wrote: > At 02:47 PM 6/6/96 +0000, Jean-Francois Avon wrote: > >On 6 Jun 96 at 11:19, jim bell wrote: > > > > > >> >>I _do_ believe, however, that the number of people > >> >>unjustifiably targeted will be rather low. <snip> Retaliation > >> >>is possible, in > >> >> that case. > > > >Sorry Jim, I did not get that at all in the past. I assumed a > >context where the inner workings of AP would not be well understood > > by the population while here, you seems to indicate that everybody > > would operate under the threat / deterrance of mutual anihilation > >principle. > > Hmmm... sorry, I thought that was obvious. Well, perhaps not > "obvious," but it's one of those facts that will become second > nature to people once AP starts up. Well, yes and no. What made me change my mind is when I tried to see the situation from the standpoint of a guy from a thuggish mentality. Actually, it might not deter somebody else acting on the spur of the moment. Take a typical harsh divorce situation where peoples act in the most surprisingly irrationnal way. I think that ex-husbands or wifes would get targeted more than their fair share, and quite often, without any reasonable cause. JF DePompadour, Societe d'Importation Ltee; Limoges porcelain, silverware and crystal JFA Technologies, R&D consultants: physicists, technologists and engineers. PGP keys at: http://w3.citenet.net/users/jf_avon ID# C58ADD0D : 529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891

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Re: [Off-Topic] "Curfews"
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:47 PM 6/6/96 +0000, Jean-Francois Avon wrote: >On 6 Jun 96 at 11:19, jim bell wrote: > > >> >>I _do_ believe, however, that the number of people unjustifiably >> >>targeted will be rather low. <snip> Retaliation is possible, in >> >> that case. > >Sorry Jim, I did not get that at all in the past. I assumed a >context where the inner workings of AP would not be well understood >by the population while here, you seems to indicate that everybody >would operate under the threat / deterrance of mutual anihilation >principle. Hmmm... sorry, I thought that was obvious. Well, perhaps not "obvious," but it's one of those facts that will become second nature to people once AP starts up. >A argued that an impulsive guy might target somebody unjustifiably >while I overlooked that he could think twice before doing so. But by >his nature, being a violent or thug at heart, he will understand this >"peace based on threat" maybe even better than a pacifist at heart. >So, my arguments might not stand. As can be expected, people will be looking out for themselves in an AP-dominated system, just as today. I think most people will have a fairly good idea who's targeting them if the hit's not justified. Almost every justified hit can be fairly anonymous. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Fwd: Re: Clipper III analysis
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >From: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >To: "cypherpunks" <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> >Date: Thu, 30 May 96 01:16:32 >Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: PMMail 1.5 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Subject: Re: Clipper III analysis > On 29 May 1996 14:53:30 pdt, tcmay(a)got.net wrote: >> A good Questioned Document Examiner will be able to demonstrate >> that the signed document in question was not authored by Joe >> Blow, even if it contains his digital signature. > >I was of course talking about digital signatures, not handwritten signatures. > >I would be very interested to hear how a "Questioned Document Examiner" can >possibly determine that a digital signature was not applied by a particular >person. I believe he was referring to document analysis. By closely comparing a questionable work with those of known authorship, a skilled analyst can hopefully find enough [dis]similarities to say whether a document was authored by a given person. This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com.

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Re: Possible out-of-US remailer sites, 2nd edition
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com To: Adamsc Date: 31 May 1996 05:28:24 pdt Subject: Re: Possible out-of-US remailer sites, 2nd edition >_Country/Area_ _Name_ _Email_ >Anguilla Cable & Wireless webmaster(a)candw.com.ai >Anguilla Offshore Information Services*** info(a)offshore.com.ai There are a number of small countries that aren't part of the US/European/Chinese/Singaporean Hegemonies, where telecom is expensive and Fidonets and uucp are the way to get email there. If you're willing to pay some money to support one, you might get some real anonymity for financially critical data. Also, there are periodic articles in magazines like Wired about how George Soros is wiring the Balkans; perhaps someone there would like to make some money running remailers. If you are willing to go that route, you can setup a Fidonet mailer VERY easily, and send mail that looks like it is from any of the 36000 bulletin boards in the nodelist. Generally it will be refused by a board that has a session password. However, it is exceedingly unlikely that a bbs in Singapore would have a passworded session with a bbs in Texas. You could send it randomly to a BBS using the name of another random board. However, this would probably be very very very UNPOPULAR, particularly if someone got nailed because of it. It would be better to work it out with some sysop in a small 3rd world country... Alternately, if you were to run a board, it is VERY simple to fake the addressing on a Fidonet mail packet... This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. /* From Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> on a Warped PC running a proudly unregistered (for now) PMMAIL 1.5! The Enigman Group - We do Web Pages! */ This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com.

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