December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: [NOISE] Re: "Gentlemen do not read each other's bank statements"
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> > The high cost of WW II made it a necessity for the gvm't to have more >> > money at a particular moment, and not wait for year-end. >> Not so. Govt has been able to print fiat money at will since the Fed >> Reserve was founded in 1913. The phrase "not worth a Continental" dates to several wars before that, and several governments of East-coast North America as well. tenuous-at-best connection to cypherpunks material - using a currency backed only by the supply of ones and zeroes requires a market mechanism to encourage the issuers not to overdo it.... #-- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, Pager/Voicemail 1-408-787-1281 # # "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" used to mean us watching # the government, not the other way around....

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Re: Crypto Exports, Europe, and Conspiracy Theories
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:06 PM 1/26/96 -0600, Alex Strasheim <cp(a)proust.suba.com> wrote: >Why aren't foreign companies flooding America with strong crypto? Well, >there are clearly pressures of the sort Tim described at work. But there >are other factors as well: ..... Among other things, the RSA and other public-key patents in the US, combined with non-exportability, severely limit the ability of non-US companies to sell public-key-based software in the US. Banks often use moderately-strong crypto (single-DES), and there are some imported cash machines which support it, but it's not a big market. Other than that, most people don't care much about crypto, and assume that the password-"protection" that Microsoft products offer is enough for them. >Digicash is probably the first significant crypto product to be exported >to America. IDEA's pretty significant, though PGP 2.x could have used triple-DES if IDEA hadn't been available. The political significance of it being foreign, or at least non-NSA-tainted, has been somewhat important as well. Then you could also contend that Shamir, a significant crypto producer, exported himself to America :-) (I think he's the RSA member who's Israeli?) (You could also contend that Enigma and Purple were exported to America, and in Enigma's case, the ability to crack it was mainly Polish and British.) Digicash is highly significant as an idea, but will only be significant in reality if they can pull off a successful business strategy before the market gets saturated with less private solutions that everyone needs to be backwards-compatible with. >It's important to note that this extremely important product couldn't >have been produced here, patents aside. >Transaction systems need to be international, and our rules make > America an unsuitable place from which to launch tranaction software. Nicely put; I'll have to steal it sometime :-) #-- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, Pager/Voicemail 1-408-787-1281 # # "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" used to mean us watching # the government, not the other way around....

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Reply: "This post is G-Rated"
by Censored Girls Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Nice addition to your .sig! root@heavily.censored.org....(lightly.censored.org coming soon) :) At 11:18 AM 1/25/96 -0800, you wrote: >[This post is classified as G-Rated by Tim May. >I see no agreed-upon labelling convention emerging. Fortunately. > >--Tim May > >Boycott espionage-enabled software! -- Member Internet Society - Certified BETSI Programmer - Webmistress *********************************************************************** Carol Anne Braddock (cab8) carolann(a)censored.org 206.42.112.96 My Homepage The Cyberdoc *********************************************************************** ------------------ PGP.ZIP Part [017/713] ------------------- M8H,),S$8G>&.WP(8IRA`-M['+`Q%&_C"">5-F%LX@<_Q$;*P'',Q$Z/AA[8M MF=O0H+*%(-S%&>S%+FS&<LS%3(Q&#W1"<]2%`H^;,]^1C$'HBN8PX$4SYAU^ MPGD<Q0ZLA0D+,`MCT!LA**4M[-JPAK9F?40!AJ,CW"'%DR#:'9?Q)3[%<DQ` ------------------------------------------------------------- for next chunk to export --> http://dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/export/

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No Subject
by Hroller Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:44 PM 1/25/96 -0800, "Vladimir Z. Nuri" <vznuri(a)netcom.com> wrote: >it really bugs me how much cypherpunks try to point out the "gotchas" in all >the laws with crypto. when we become *experts* on these laws, and >tell people why they prevent them from doing various things, we >are actually *supporting* them. It's not often we see an active and overt defense of ignorance. Good work, Vladimir! But to really avoid being contaminated by evil knowledge, I recommend the following 12-step program: 1. Admit that you are powerless to get a clue. Print out this message for reference. 2. Unsubscribe from Cypherpunks, and all other sources of information that might be relevant. 3. Unsubscribe from all sources of information that probably aren't relevant, to avoid hostile agents forcing you into unwitting coercion. 4. Read William S. Burroughs books until you begin to see your neighbors as giant cockroaches and slugs. 4a. In the event that you already see them this way, read Burroughs until they look like something else. 5. Join as many religions as possible, so that you have incompatible memes busily protecting you from facts. <steps 6 through 11 deleted until receipt of a note delivered by the proper techniques, to be beamed into your mind later> 12. Seal your head in a plastic bag until you suffocate. This will protect you from such problems in the future. Hope this helps! Signed, A Friend

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Hey, jdoe-agamemnon! Re: NOISE Test Ignore
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:00 PM 1/26/96 -0800, MAILER-DAEMON(a)alpha.c2.org wrote: >Unknown addressee: jdoe-agamemnon(a)alpha.c2.org > >----- Unsent Message Follows ----- > >Received: by alpha.c2.org for jdoe-agamemnon(a)alpha.c2.org > From stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Fri Jan 26 20:12:47 1996 >Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com (ix2.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.1]) by infinity.c2.org (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP > id UAA06971 for <jdoe-agamemnon(a)alpha.c2.org>; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:12:47 -0800 (PST) > Community ConneXion: Privacy & Community: <URL:http://www.c2.org> >Received: from pax-ca11-09.ix.netcom.com by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) > id UAA19713; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:17:46 -0800 >Message-Id: <199601270417.UAA19713(a)ix2.ix.netcom.com> >X-Sender: stewarts(a)popd.ix.netcom.com (Unverified) >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:17:45 -0800 >To: jdoe-agamemnon(a)alpha.c2.org >From: Bill Stewart <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com> >Subject: Re: NOISE Test Ignore > >At 09:22 PM 1/25/96 -0800, you wrote: >>Test Test Test >> >> >Well, it got here, jd... >#-- ># Thanks; Bill ># Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, Pager/Voicemail 1-408-787-1281 ># ># "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" used to mean us watching ># the government, not the other way around.... > > > #-- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, Pager/Voicemail 1-408-787-1281 # # "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" used to mean us watching # the government, not the other way around....

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Hey, jdoe-agamemnon Re: NOISE Test Ignore
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:00 PM 1/26/96 -0800, MAILER-DAEMON(a)alpha.c2.org wrote: >Unknown addressee: jdoe-agamemnon(a)alpha.c2.org > >----- Unsent Message Follows ----- > >Received: by alpha.c2.org for jdoe-agamemnon(a)alpha.c2.org > From stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Fri Jan 26 20:12:47 1996 >Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com (ix2.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.1]) by infinity.c2.org (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP > id UAA06971 for <jdoe-agamemnon(a)alpha.c2.org>; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:12:47 -0800 (PST) > Community ConneXion: Privacy & Community: <URL:http://www.c2.org> >Received: from pax-ca11-09.ix.netcom.com by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) > id UAA19713; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:17:46 -0800 >Message-Id: <199601270417.UAA19713(a)ix2.ix.netcom.com> >X-Sender: stewarts(a)popd.ix.netcom.com (Unverified) >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:17:45 -0800 >To: jdoe-agamemnon(a)alpha.c2.org >From: Bill Stewart <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com> >Subject: > >At 09:22 PM 1/25/96 -0800, you wrote: >>Test Test Test >> >> >Well, it got here, jd... >#-- ># Thanks; Bill ># Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, Pager/Voicemail 1-408-787-1281 ># ># "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" used to mean us watching ># the government, not the other way around.... > > > #-- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, Pager/Voicemail 1-408-787-1281 # # "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" used to mean us watching # the government, not the other way around....

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Reminder: Jan 28 Bay Area CA meeting, noon - 3 p.m.
by mrm＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bay Area California Cypherpunks Meeting January 28 12 noon - 3 p.m. B21, Sparcy's Cafeteria, Sun Microsystems Inc Directions: Take the Rengstorff Ave East exit from 101. If you're driving north on 101, this exit is labeled "Amphitheater Parkway". If you're driving south on 101, this exit is labeled "Rengstorff". At the end of the exit ramp, turn left onto Garcia. After .4 mile, turn right onto Marine Way. After .1 mile, turn right onto Coast. Building 21 is right there. Look for the big purple and white sign. Agenda: Roger Masterton, a producer/videographer, would like to film a discussion among cypherpunks about 1st amendment issues, for a PBS show named "Freedom Speaks." The show airs nationally on PBS. In San Francisco, currently on KMPT Thursdays at 5 p.m., and starting in March, on KQED. Their web site is http://www.fac.org/ There's a lot of 1st amendment issues to talk about these days regarding the internet, and so the first part of the meeting will be gathering topics. There's the first amendment principles of publishing information in digital form, and the fundamental right of people to carry on a private conversation. The discussion will take whatever organic form it takes, depending on who of us can make the meeting ... See you tomorrow if you're coming. I'll bring bagels again. Marianne mrm(a)eng.sun.com mrm(a)netcom.com

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ahem, make that Saturday Jan 27
by mrm＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Turns out the darn calendar on my computer goes ahead increments the date field sometime right round midnight. This is what I get for inferring today's date by glancing at the calendar manager, and "adding 1" for tomorrow. The cypherpunks meeting is on Saturday Jan 27. Sorry about that. --Marianne

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No Subject
by hoppo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

hi if you have anything interesting please send thanks,hoppo

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by postmaster＠ncr-sd.SanDiegoCA.ATTGIS.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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