December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Burns Bill
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:18 PM 5/2/96 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >Bill Frantz writes: >> in any case, it is not clear how passage of the bill could possibly >> make things worse. > >I think that is key. I fully agree. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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SF South Bay: So WhoWhere wants to meet with people interested in online privacy and security...
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The people who run www.whowhere.com (a knockoff on the excellent www.four11.com, with a database partly based on a script they wrote to extract addresses from okra.ucr.edu) want to discuss how they can serve the Internet community better while protecting privacy. I suggested "shut down your site and become cloistered monks," but they didn't find that consistent with their business plan. So they suggested we do lunch early next week. Either Monday or Tuesday would work, and we'd be meeting in downtown Palo Alto. Anybody else interested in coming? For a good demonstration of why WhoWhere? is not necessarily the greatest thing since spice racks, look up "Louis Freeh," "Fuck You," "Asshole," "System Privileged User," and "Stephen Hawking." I keep telling them that they'd better remove this last, but they don't consider it a priority. -rich http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~llurch/ P.S. Yes, I just resubscribed. I just love you too much to stay away. P.P.S. If anyone wants to carpool from the Palo Alto vicinity to Joe & Cindy's beach volleyball shindig this Sunday with an alleged FUCKING STATIST CAPITALIST SOCIALIST NAZI J*W ANARCHIST, send me a note.

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Earn money fast and legal
by Fredric_Olsson＠hotmail.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Valdus Trappv 2 517 37 Bollebygd SWEDEN ________________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: MAS Enterprises 509 East Perry Street Savannah, Georgia 31401 ________________________________________________________ CONCLUSION I am enjoying my fortune that I made as I send out this program, hoping to give you a chance to make this kind of money. You too, will be making money in 20 to 90 days, if you follow the SIMPLE STEPS outlined in this mailing. To be financially independent is to be FREE. Free to make financial decisions as never before. Go into business, get into investments, retire or take a vacation. No longer will a lack of money hold you back. However, very few people reach financial independence, because when opportunity knocks, they choose to ignore it. It is much easier to say "NO" than "YES", and this is the question that you must answer. Will YOU ignore this amazing opportunity or will you take advantage of it? If you do nothing, you have indeed missed something and nothing will change. Please re-read this material, this is a special opportunity. If you have any questions, please feel free to write to the sender of this information. You will get a prompt and informative reply. My method is simple. I sell thousands of people a product for $5 that costs me pennies to produce and email. I should also point out that this program is legal and everyone who participates WILL make money. This is not a chain letter or pyramid scam. At times you have probably received chain letters, asking you to send money, on faith, but getting NOTHING in return, NO product what-so-ever! Not only are chain letters illegal, but the risk of someone breaking the chain makes them quite unattractive. You are offering a legitimate product to your people. They are obtaining information that will not only help them with this business venture but others as well. They also are obtaining the rights to reproduce the reports. After they purchase the product from you, they reproduce more and resell them. It's simple free enterprise. As you learned from the enclosed material, the PRODUCT is a series of four 4 FINANCIAL AND BUSINESS REPORTS. The information contained in these REPORTS will not only help you in making your participation in this program more rewarding, but will be useful to you in any other business decisions you make in the years ahead. You are also buying the rights to reprint all of the REPORTS, which will be ordered from you by those to whom you mail this program. The concise one and two page REPORTS you will be buying can easily be reproduced at a local copy center for a cost off about 3 cents a copy. Best wishes with the program and Good Luck! ------------------------------------Testimonials:-------------------------- --------- "I had received this program before. I threw it away, but later wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get a copy, so I had to wait until I was emailed another copy of the program. Eleven months passed, then it came. I DIDN'T throw this one away. I made $41,000 on the first try." Dawn W., Evansville, IN "My late father always told me, 'remember, Alan, there is no free lunch in life. You get out of life what you put into it.' Through trial and error and a somewhat slow frustrating start, I finally figured it out. The program works very well, I just had to find the right target group of people to email it to. So far this year, I have made over $63,000 using this program. I know my dad would have been very proud of me." Alan B., Philadelphia, PA "Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this program. But conservative as I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was no way that I could not get enough orders to at least get my money back. BOY, was I ever surprised when I found my medium sized post office box crammed with orders! I will make more money this year than any ten years of my life before." Mary Riceland, Lansing, MI --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TIPS FOR SUCCESS Send for your four 4 REPORTS immediately so you will have them when the orders start coming in. When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the product/service to comply with US Postal and Lottery laws. Title 18 Sections 1302 and 1341 specifically state that: "A PRODUCT OR SERVICE MUST BE EXCHANGED FOR MONEY RECEIVED." WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE REPORTS TO ARRIVE: 1. Name your new company. You can use your own name if you desire. 2. Get a post office box (preferred). 3. Edit the names and addresses on the program. You must remember, your name and address go next to REPORT #1 and the others all move down one, with the fourth one being bumped OFF the list. 4. Obtain as many email addresses as possible to send until you receive the information on mailing list companies in REPORT #3. (It is a good idea to purchase bulk email lists, which generally cost around $35.00 for 100,000 names. Or you can start out the way I did, simply mailing out a few hundred to acquaintances and people who post to newsgroups.) 5. Decide on the number of programs you intend to send out. The more you send, and the quicker you send them, the more money you will make. 6. After mailing the programs, get ready to fill the orders. 7. Copy the four 4 REPORTS so you are able to sent them out as soon as you receive an order. IMPORTANT: ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ORDERS YOU RECEIVE! 8. Make certain the letter and reports are neat and legible. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------- YOUR GUARANTEE The check point which GUARANTEES your success is simply this: you must receive 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1. This is a must!!! If you don't within two weeks, email out more programs until you do. Then a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2, if you don't, send out more programs until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, (take a deep breath) you can sit back and relax, because YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE AT LEAST $50,000. Mathematically it is a proven guarantee. Of those who have participated in the program and reached the above GUARANTEES-ALL have reached their $50,000 goal. Also, remember, every time your name is moved down the list you are in front of a different REPORT, so you can keep track of your program by knowing what people are ordering from you. IT'S THAT EASY, REALLY, IT IS!!! REMEMBER: "HE WHO DARES NOTHING, NEED NOT HOPE FOR ANYTHING." "INVEST A LITTLE TIME, ENERGY AND MONEY NOW OR SEARCH FOR IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- SVENSKAR, LÄS!!! Skicka 40 SKR (2x20) istället för 5dollarsedlar för enkelhetens skull. Vem vill gå och växla 10000 femdollar sedlar??? Glöm inte e-mail adressen i brevet med sedlarna så du får dina reports! Ha ett bra liv!

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Re: Why I dislike Java. (was Re: "Scruffies" vs. "Neats")
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:34 PM 5/2/96 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >At one of my clients, there is a software testing lab where all >software that is placed on the trading floor is rigorously tested for >months before it is put out on the users desktop -- it is, indeed, >tested in conjunction with all other products the user would be >using. No software is deployed before rigorous testing occurs. By the >time the thing is put out, it is known to a high degree of certainty >that it will not cause damage. My clients have a similar testing setup for new communications software. It is one way they are able to offer a reliable service to their clients. >I would very much prefer a language who's security did not require >such analysis. Java, sadly, does require such an analysis because it >requires perfect implementation for its security model to work. In a >restricted execution environment that was designed with defense in >depth in mind, such an analysis would be a bonus, but not strictly >required. All secure systems require perfect implementation of the security kernel. Java has a very large security kernel, since it's kernel includes the kernel in the underlying operating system. As such, it is probably not suited for high security environments.* However, it may well be secure enough for individuals to run on their private machines. * If a Java equipped browser is run in a operating system provided secure environment, this restriction may not apply. Such an operating system would have to provide Orange Book A or B level features (mandatory security). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: Sen. Patrick Leahy's PGP key now avail.
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:23 PM 5/2/96 -0400, perry(a)piermont.com wrote: >Timothy C. May writes: >> Why does anyone need his public key to communicate with Senator Leahy? If >> it's for sender-anonymity, this does not do it, though other tools >> (remailers) do. Unless the information is "secret," why bother? > >I would answer Tim, but I suspect that he would ignore something I >might say. I will therefore quote Philip Zimmermann. > Perhaps you think your E-mail is legitimate enough that encryption is > unwarranted. If you really are a law-abiding citizen with nothing to > hide, then why don't you always send your paper mail on postcards? > Why not submit to drug testing on demand? Why require a warrant for > police searches of your house? Are you trying to hide something? ..... >Never thought I would see the day where Tim stopped being a >Cypherpunk. Everyone mark your calendars. One of the most important parts of any security analysis is the threat models. In this case, we're talking about sending email _to_the_government_. There may be something you want to tell the Senator or his staff that you want kept private from the public or from rest of the government, and Tim's phrase "Unless the information is 'secret'" seems to cover that. Maybe you want to say "My company lost $X to competitor Y"; that's private. Maybe you want to say "The FBI is reading your email, y'know..." Maybe you want to attach a $20 MarkTwain DigiCash campaign contribution. But usually, telling the government something is fairly similar to publishing it, in terms of expectation of privacy, even in a republic. The tradeoff is between using PGP to make a point, and getting the staff to read it. Typically, Congressional Staffs are Your Friends, at least more directly than the Congresscritters themselves. Lobby _them_; making their job easier is a good start. Maybe the right thing to do is include the digicash, encrypt the message, and attach a note indicating that the enclosed digicash is for the staff member who decrypts the note and gives it to the Senator :-) # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, +1-415-442-2215 begin 777 goodtimes =96-H;R!H879I;F<@9V]O9"!T:6UE<R!Y970_#0H0 end

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Re: Sen. Patrick Leahy's PGP key now avail.
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:50 PM 5/2/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >Why does anyone need his public key to communicate with Senator Leahy? If >it's for sender-anonymity, this does not do it, though other tools >(remailers) do. I can think of two good reasons for Senator Leahy to publish his key: (1) To show his support for the right to use encryption. (2) To sign open letters to the Internet community. I will be really impressed when he gets some big-name signatures on his key. e.g. Matt Blase, Ron Rivist, PRZ, Tim May. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: EET on PGP API Quash
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:22 PM 5/2/96 -0700, Martin Minow wrote: >> ... the State Department is taking >> an increasingly hard line on PGP. Where once the State had >> restricted itself to warning developers against exporting >> source code with PGP file-encryption routines, it is now >> arguing that application programming interfaces (API) >> allowing PGP program insertion should be subject to control >> under arms-trading statutes. > >It would seem that any computer system that permits the use >of an externally-supplied computer program (i.e., Windows, >DOS, MacOS, Unix, Java, Microsoft Word macro languange) would >fall under this restriction. > >I wonder how much thought went into this decision. Not much. I seem to recall a quote from Dorothy Denning a couple of months ago where she actually held out API's as a way to get around the ITAR restrictions. It sounds to me like even that was too much for them! In any case, this position is very desperate. Those of us who recall old Altair computers remember a time where even a "file" was a foreign concept. Files are, arguably, a standardized format on which encryption programs work. Are they going to stop the export of MSDOS? Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.comJim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Sun's Wallet
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:18 5/2/96, Steven L Baur wrote: >> Sydney, Australia, April 30 -- SunSoft will shortly >> release a workable cash-on-the-Internet program called >> Wallet > >> Once issued, the Digital ID can >> be used within any enabled application such as Netscape >> Navigator Internet client software and Netscape >> SuiteSpot. > >Will it be supported by ApacheSSL? The Java Wallet is supposed to work with any Java enabled browser. The wallet takes care of moving all the data even through firewalls, so I would assume it just piggy-backs on http. Note that anyone can create a Wallet "cassette" for their own present of future payment system. In order for the cassette to work with the wallet, it needs to be signed by Java Soft. Java Soft will charge for the sigs. Last I heard, the exact fee was still undecided. Disclaimer: My opinions are my own, not those of my employer. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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Re: proposed anti-pseudospoofing law in Georgia
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:52 PM 5/2/96 -0700, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: >this proposed law in Georgia >would make it illegal to have a login name other than >your legal name, as I understand it. >I consider it rather silly, naive, and unenforcable, >but it does suggest a few things: > >1. lawmakers are starting to notice the internet bigtime. Yes, they are. >2. its starting to freak them out. Apparently, very much so. >3. the identity issues raised by cyberspace have significant >social implications and will not go away quietly. Not if legislators keep pushing their luck... >4. there are some legitimate reasons to require ID in some places >in cyberspace. Only as far as is mutually agreed. If two people want to do business, we can reasonably expect that they will do so under whatever conditions they can agree to. If one of those conditions is that they require ID from the other, fine. The problem comes when third parties (like, for instance, government) requires it; that's wrong. >meanwhile, if the internet really is robust, their irrelevant >posturings should not make much difference, although I am *not* >advocating that people resign themselves to these laws, only that >if they pass the situation is not necessarily catastrophic or >apocalyptic. I don't think it's apocalyptic. But that's because I think there's a permanent solution to their meddling. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Why I dislike Java. (was Re: "Scruffies" vs. "Neats")
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:34 PM 5/2/96 -0400, Perry wrote: >At one of my clients, there is a software testing lab where all >software that is placed on the trading floor is rigorously tested for Definitely - aside from severe dangers like automated theft or incorrect output, even software that takes a PC down for 5 minutes during the trading day every once in a while can cost big money to a brokerage firm. >Netscape with Java cannot be so tested because important components >come down off the net. So no, I'm not holding Netscape with Java to a >higher standard. I'm very much holding it to the same standard. Netscape now lets you turn off Java and Javascript. An ideal would be to support running applications signed by your choice of application-certifiers, which is BTW likely to be much more restrictive that your list of key-certifiers if you're in a paranoid business like brokerages and airlines. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, +1-415-442-2215 begin 777 goodtimes =96-H;R!H879I;F<@9V]O9"!T:6UE<R!Y970_#0H0 end

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