December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Degrees of Freedom
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

V-CHIP CONTENT WARNING: THIS POST IS RATED: R, V, NPC, RI, S, I13. [For processing by the required-by-1998 V-chips, those reading this post from an archive must set their V-chip to "42-0666." I will not be held responsible for posts incorrectly filtered-out by a V-chip that has been by-passed, hot-chipped, or incorrectly programmed.] ***WARNING!*** It has become necessary to warn potential readers of my messages before they proceed further. This warning may not fully protect me against criminal or civil proceedings, but it may be treated as a positive attempt to obey the various and increasing numbers of laws. * Under the ***TELECOM ACT OF 1996***, minor CHILDREN (under the age of 18) may not read or handle this message under any circumstances. If you are under 18, delete this message NOW. Also, if you are developmentally disabled, irony-impaired, emotionally traumatized, schizophrenic, suffering PMS, affected by Humor Deprivation Syndrom (HDS), or under the care of a doctor, then the TELECOM ACT OF 1996 may apply to you as well, even if you are 18. If you fall into one of these categories and are not considered competent to judge for yourself what you are reading, DELETE this message NOW. * Under the UTAH PROTECTION OF CHILDREN ACT OF 1996, those under the age of 21 may not read this post. All residents of Utah, and Mormons elsewhere, must install the M-Chip. * Under the PROTECTION OF THE REICH laws, residents of Germany may not read this post. * Under the MERCIFUL SHIELD OF ALLAH (Praise be to Him!) holy interpretations of the Koran of the following countries (but not limited to this list) you may not read this post if you are a FEMALE OF ANY AGE: Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Egypt, Jordan, Sudan, Libya, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Algeria, Lebanon, Morocco, Tunisia, Yemen, Oman, Syria, Bahrain, and the Palestinian Authority. Non-female persons may also be barred from reading this post, depending on the settings of your I-Chip. * Under the proposed CHINESE INTERNET laws, covering The People's Republic of China, Formosa, Hong Kong, Macao, Malaysia, and parts of several surrrounding territories, the rules are so nebulous and unspecified that I cannot say whether you are allowed to read this. Thus, you must SUBMIT any post you wish to read to your local authorities for further filtering. * In Singapore, merely be RECEIVING this post you have violated the will of Lee Kwan Yu. Report to your local police office to receive your caning. * Finally, if you are barrred from contact with the Internet, or protected by court order from being disturbed by thoughts which may disturb you, or covered by protective orders, it is up to you to adjust the settings of your V-Chip to ensure that my post does not reach you. *** THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE IN COMPLYING WITH THESE LAWS *** At 5:27 PM 2/8/96, Alex Strasheim wrote: >A split between a Western net and a Chineese net would have important >political, cultural, and economic reprecussions; it could be the >cyberspatial version of the old iron curtain, with information policy >rather than economic policy as a dividing line. Given the massive number of "degrees of freedom" compared to earlier days when the Iron Curtain "sort of" worked, albeit with lots of leaks, I see little chance it can be pulled off. The Chinese want a Bamboo Curtain, the Muslims want a Veiled Curtain, the Jews want a Wailing Wall, and the Germans wanted barbed wire. It ain't gonna work. >We ought to speak out against this Chineese net, and start asking >questions about Western companies that are collaborating in its >construction. The usual suspects: SAIC, Wackenhut, NewsCorp, etc. --Tim May [This Bible excerpt awaiting review under the Communications Decency Act] And then Lot said, "I have some mighty fine young virgin daughters. Why don't you boys just come on in and do em right here in my house - I'll just watch!"....Later, up in the mountains, the younger daughter said. "Dad's getting old. I say we should do him." So the two daughters got him drunk and did him all that night. Sure enough, Dad got em pregnant....Onan really hated the idea of doing his brother's wife and getting her pregnant while his brother got all the credit, so he whacked off first....Remember, it's not a good idea to have sex with your sister, your brother, your parents, your pet dog, or the farm animals. [excerpts from the Old Testament, Modern Vernacular Translation, TCM, 1996]

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Re: Report available: "Minimal Key Lengths for Symmetric Ciphers"
by Karl A. Siil 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:28 AM 2/8/96 -0500, anonymous(a)freezone.remailer wrote: >I downloaded this so-called "report". It doesn't even mentions PGP. >Gotta wonder why the 007 wannabe "experts" and the Big Business (BSA) >want you to only use 90 bits for your keys and why they've never heard >of PGP... > >Anyone who listens to crypto advice from people who's purpose in life >is to listen to *YOU* gets what they deserve. I'll stay with PGP which >has a 2048 bit key. Ummm, apples and oranges. The report focused on symmetric-key algorithms. Also, the recommendation was for a *minimum* of 90 bits. I'm sure the authors would be ecstatic to see *128-bit* (not 2048) IDEA like PGP (or does PGP encrypt with RSA, too? I thought it only used RSA for signing. I admit it. I don't know). The purpose of the report was not "90 bits is good." It was "40 bits is *really* bad." Karl

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RSA-China Cypto-Porn Distribution ?
by A. Padgett Peterson, P.E. Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Wall Street Journal, February 8, 1996, p. A10. > China, U.S. Firm Challenge U.S. On Encryption-Software Exports > By Don Clark >RSA Data Security Inc., the dominant supplier of >data-privacy software, announced an unusual partnership >with the Chinese government that exploits loopholes in U.S. >export restrictions on codemaking technology. And the logical next step would be that the Chinese crypto would be adopted by all those wishing to distribute filty, indecent, pornographic materials depicting the sexual and excretory organs of various mammals (watch out Shamu - the law said nothing about human organs) to show a "good faith" effort to protect America's yout. Warmly, Padgett "Life will find a way". Ian - _Jurrasic Park_

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FEE DEADLINE: IMC Resolving Security Complexity Workshop
by Dave Crocker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Friday is the dealine for the lower registration fee to the workshop. While the differential is small, the real concern is that we have a reasonable estimate of the number of attendees. If you plan to attend and have not yet sent an indication, please do so. Resolving Email Security Complexity Workshop 21 February 1996 * 8:30 AM - 5:00 PM San Jose (CA) Hilton & Towers * San Carlos Room (next to Convention Center) Pre-registration & payment: $50 * After February 16: $75 (cash, check, wire transfer, money order, or First Virtual) To register for the meeting: Web: <http://www.imc.org/workshop-registration> Email: <mailto:workshop-registration@imc.org> For discussion before and after the meeting: Web: <http://www.imc.org/workshop/> Email: <mailto:resolving-security-request@imc.org>

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Re: Degrees of Freedom
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 7:33 PM 2/8/96, Alex Strasheim wrote: >The headers I clipped off of Tim's post might not be as farfetched as >they seem at first. What if they built a central storehouse of technical >information that's accessible to all, transactional systems that >facilitate international trade between member states, and left cultural >and political content to the tyrants of the respective nations? >Everyone's can grab mechanical engineering info, and evryone can buy >shoes from China, but Islamic users will have to rely on Islamic sources >for world news and political commentary. Differences in human languages >are going to make the tyrants' job a lot easier -- how many Chineese >speak Arabic? Not many Chinese speak Arabic, proportionately, but English is far and away the most common _second_ language. This has been a major key to the success of the Internet. The implications are pretty clear. I'm skeptical about the technological feasibility of the "central storehouse" model, for reasons technological as well as sociocultural. >I don't disagree that eventually such a plan will fail. But centrally >planned economies competing with market driven ones will eventually fail >as well, and that didn't stop communism from casting a long dark shadow >over the second half of the century. Is a laissez-faire response based on >an extremely promising but still untested analysis (ie., crypto anarchy) >prudent? Sure, give it a try and see what happens. People die every day, of all sorts of things. Every decision we make affects the timelines of others, causing some to live that would have been on a plane that crashes, causing others to accept jobs that ultimately result in their deaths, etc. I learned a long time ago not to lose any sleep over the "potential" bad effects that ideas can have. --Tim [This Bible excerpt awaiting review under the Communications Decency Act] And then Lot said, "I have some mighty fine young virgin daughters. Why don't you boys just come on in and do em right here in my house - I'll just watch!"....Later, up in the mountains, the younger daughter said. "Dad's getting old. I say we should do him." So the two daughters got him drunk and did him all that night. Sure enough, Dad got em pregnant....Onan really hated the idea of doing his brother's wife and getting her pregnant while his brother got all the credit, so he whacked off first....Remember, it's not a good idea to have sex with your sister, your brother, your parents, your pet dog, or the farm animals. [excerpts from the Old Testament, Modern Vernacular Translation, TCM, 1996]

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Join the NIA
by Brian D Williams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The NIA.... Yes the National Internet Association....... Patterned after you know who..... I'm not kidding, I think it's time. "Privacy Through Cryptography." "Communicate Globally, Censor Locally." I think an old Doonesbury cartoon that had Duke (representing the NRA) testifying before a Senate subcommittee summed it up nicely..... Senator: "And we and the American people have had enough of you and your fanatic organization!" Duke: " I see Senator, shall I put you down for a million postcards?" Senator: " Don't you threaten me mister!" Politicians only understand one thing. Brian D Williams "I am the NIA." - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAy7eA7wAAAEEAJgUoJWlE/7ntxpdfFKJC0EIx1nPmOrfBkIz3N/qyqPsqY6A WJ9jx1oNow8sMjFPET6kbMw2cScfVOUisekK7xVQWuADUPscRXg8zI3x0ws9z2KV ITL+cO7zODIA1+wZS8v14RJpG4dXF1Q9YsydU8T5bodAcsF5TnsfmVh/uI7xAAUR tChCcmlhbiBEIFdpbGxpYW1zIDx0YWxvbjU3QHdlbGwuc2YuY2EudXM+ =moCK - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMRpVE3sfmVh/uI7xAQEJhQP/Y5ze19vV+Mvdsq5Ep6nr/hNrMldjSSnZ 8qfXupCkIANIzivqFOiFG+qxXH4UPBZyzklnn3uOkPGewaoNJ2MDnhXCBhWHR0/y +T2Br/nnkIOsyx6wCFMISeKj9oJxqdTd3uZ1hZw8yAfbZqNB755wRsHEK2VQTwzP rwlOgPDC7q4= =3Iya -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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New Type2.list/pubring.mix
by John A. Perry 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Everyone, The new type2.list/pubring.mix combination can be found on vishnu.alias.net. Both are available by anonymous FTP and by WWW. Please note the new addition, mockingbird.alias.net. Welcome aboard mockingbird! John Perry - KG5RG - perry(a)vishnu.alias.net - PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome! WWW - http://www.alias.net PGP 2.62 key for perry(a)vishnu.alias.net is on the keyservers. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by mkpgp, a Pine/PGP interface. iQEVAwUBMRplRqghiWHnUu4JAQFtIQf/VaUPHx7bRJP1tdtOQABqy2gYMNIvK8LH elOX1gmDjvhDBxVMA3iyn7nWpgoP4ty87mDNU4bFRDX8yqz3RjdLFkUvYKZCgWIN qWMKPRqIDycGELI5Z+tvby7MnxtRgpm9qTB4SR/4RXIkVIJyrZ9BR/3dFSNtKUgr mfYCPfw2qDd4ZCZXLrQwooNCExp0VA1PP8TuGtTPP/QyDVPOJj5sggQIDTSWd/F7 Rm3h9FmvSTJ7cEaXk0v3OkmwkgzlrS7tJP/XjaX+Vky8yllXh2UuFx4K4s6DhosT a4MPoQen2Zs6GKn2eOKrJy8h1FZ5e0Hkf1mVYZS/U4+fGl0Rj+Hwkw== =C4U4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: "Plonk"
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:42 PM 2/8/96 -0800, anonymous-remailer(a)shell.portal.com wrote: >Why do people feel the need to announce to the whole world that they have >just plonked someone? Big deal. It happens all the time. Plonk 'em and get >on with your life. "On the Internet, no one can hear your killfile." Sometimes it is not only neccisary to regard someone as an idoit, you have to make them aware of it as well. I just wonder where they got the idea that killfiles have sound effects... (Maybe it is a feature...) --- Alan Olsen -- alano(a)teleport.com -- Contract Web Design & Instruction `finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ "We had to destroy the Internet in order to save it." - Sen. Exon

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Re: CDA; Don't get mad, get even!
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:43 PM 2/8/96 -0800, cjs wrote: >I think that we should make an example of those responsible for the >CDA. Ignorance is really not an excuse here, because whoever voted for >for the bill should have known the CDA was attached to it, and should >have had some idea of what it did. Does anyone have a list of who voted for and against this monstrocity? Campaigns on the Internet made a difference in many campaigns in the last election. I am sure that we could help make that pressure felt in the upcoming elections. Maybe we can get canidates to sign their press releases with PGP. Get them to see that there are very good reasons for them to use crypto and have it available for the general public as well. "That will make it hot for them!" - Guy Grand --- Alan Olsen -- alano(a)teleport.com -- Contract Web Design & Instruction `finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ "We had to destroy the Internet in order to save it." - Sen. Exon

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Re: Reasons in support of crypto-anarchy WAS Re: Why am I (fwd)
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> Plonk. > >"Plonk"? What does that mean? Does that mean you're going to hit me >with something? Sounds like another implied threat to me... ;) Funny. That's kind of what Dr. Fred said. PLONK! Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Reality is not optional." --Thomas Sowell The e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/

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