December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

called as juror (fwd)
by rosaphil 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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It's your chance to help the justice system deliver justice, which is absolutely essential to a free society. Also, you can do more "political good" as a juror than in practically any other way as a citizen: your vote on the verdict is also a measure of public opinion on the law itself--an opinion which our lawmakers are likely to take seriously. Short of being elected to office yourself, you may never otherwise have a more powerful impact on the rules we live by than you will as a trial juror. However, unless you are fully informed of your powers as a juror, you may be manipulated by the less powerful players in the courtroom into delivering the verdict they want, instead of what justice would require. That is why this "kit" was written--to give you information that you're not likely to receive from the attorneys, or even from the judge. _ Justice may depend upon your being chosen to serve, so here are some "words to the wise" about how to make it through voir dire, the jury selection process: You may feel that answering some of the questions asked of you would compromise your right to privacy. If you refuse to answer them, it will probably cost you your chance to serve. Likewise, if you "talk too much"--especially if you admit to knowing your rights and powers as a juror, as explained below, or that you have qualms about the law itself in the case at hand, or reveal that you're bright, educated, or are interested in serving! So, from voir dire to verdict, let your conscience be your guide. _ Nothing in the U.S. Constitution or in any Supreme Court decision requires jurors to take an oath to follow the law as the judge explains it or, for that matter, authorizes the judge to "instruct" the jury at all. Judges provide their interpretation of the law, but you may also do your own thinking. Keep in mind that no juror's oath is enforceable, and that you may regard all "instructions" as advice. _ Understanding the full context in which an illegal act was committed is essential to deciding whether the defendant acted rightly or wrongly. Strict application of the law may produce a guilty verdict, but what about justice? If the jurors agree that, beyond a reasonable doubt, the accused did act as charged, then "context becomes everything" in reaching a verdict you can live with. Credit or blame for the verdict will go to you, so be sure to ask the judge how you can pose questions to witnesses, so that you can learn the complete context, should the lawyers fail to bring it out. _ When they believe justice requires it, jurors can refuse to apply the law. Jurors have the power to consider whether the law itself is wrong (including whether it is "unconstitutional"), or is being applied for political reasons. Is the defendant being singled out as "an example" in order to demonstrate government muscle? Were the defendant's constitutional rights violated during the arrest? Much of today's "crime wave" consists of victimless crimes--crimes against the state, or "political crimes", so if you feel that a verdict of guilty would give the government too much power, or help keep a bad law alive, just remember that you can refuse to apply any law that violates your conscience. _ Prosecutors often "multiply charges" so the jury will assume the defendant "must be guilty of something". But one of the great mistakes a jury can make is to betray both truth and conscience by compromising. If you believe the defendant is not guilty of anything, then vote "not guilty" on all counts. _ You can't be punished for voting according to your conscience. Judges (and other jurors) often pressure hold-out jurors into abandoning their true feelings and voting with the majority "...to avoid the expense of a hung jury and mistrial". But you don't have to give in. Why? Because... _ Hung juries are "OKAY". If voting your conscience should lead to a hung jury, not to worry, you're doing the responsible thing. There is no requirement that you must reach a verdict. And the jury you hang may be significant as one of a series of hung juries sending messages to the legislature that the law you're working with has problems, and it's time for a change. If you want to reach consensus, however, one possible way is to remind your fellow jurors that... _ Jurors have the power to reduce charges against the defendant, provided that "lesser included offenses" exist in law (ask the judge to list and explain them, and the range of potential punishments that go with each). Finding guilt at a lower level than charged can be appropriate in cases where the defendant has indeed victimized someone, but not so seriously as the original charges would indicate. And, if it will be up to the judge to decide the sentence, it's within the power of the jury to find the defendant guilty of a reduced charge which will, at most, entail the amount of punishment it thinks is appropriate. _ The Fully Informed Jury Association (FIJA) hopes the above information helps you to find a verdict that you believe is conscientious and just, a verdict which you can therefore be proud to discuss with friends, family, legal professionals, the community or the media, should any of them want to know what happened, how, and why. If you have further questions, or want a hard copy of this article and others contained in FIJA's "Jury Power Information Kit", phone 1-800-TEL-JURY, and leave your name and address on tape. The office phone number for FIJA National HQ is 406-793-5550.

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MUZ_zle
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

10-16-95. NYPaper: "The New Watchdogs of Digital Commerce." Think of them as a truth squad of cyberspace, these crusading graduate-student hackers from Berkeley. "This is a tradition of unfettered inquiry and curiosity," said John Gilmore, "for hackers, nothing is sacred and everything is subject to verification before you can really believe it." "The hacker ethic is transferring some of its better lessons to the world of commerce," said Steven Levy, "we're groping for a way to use the Net in a way where information will flow freely and people can still make money. The hackers are going to help us find ways to have a more humanized system of commerce." "Will Netscape be the next Microsoft, or the next victim of Microsoft?" Some investors believe Netscape could become "the next Microsoft." Other people believe that Netscape could become the next Microsoft victim, and that the next Microsoft is none other than Microsoft itself. All these new features of Navigator 2.0 send a clear notice to the industry that Netscape has no interest in bowing to the traditional Internet procedures for setting software standards by academic and scientific committee. The Internet has become primarily a commercial medium, where standards are set by whoever has the highest market share. It is a concept Microsoft knows well, and one that Netscape has grasped. MUZ_zle (16 kb)

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Re: My chat with Goeff Greiveldinger
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <199510152027.NAA23085(a)mycroft.rand.org>, jim(a)acm.org (Jim Gillogly) wrote: > You might try addressing the areas of liability for escrow agents. If > private escrow agents can be sued for loss of information due to theft > or other authorized or unauthorized release of keys, their liability could > be horrendous, depending on the value of the compromised data. The problem of liability should be managable. There are commercial data storage firms (microfilm, etc.) that not only have access to the key for your data, but to the data itself. Still, liability lawsuits have not driven them out of business. I therefore belive that liability issues will not pose a significant obstacle to commercial key escrow. - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMIGMiCoZzwIn1bdtAQHiJQGAlFhXEVKkf329xCbpWHHXYRkMNJUpbdDZ nrEKcYvu9SVt/wlPLSq97sWukyQPxth0 =c5Wl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Yes, indeed the PA law is for real!
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>PA Senate Bill 655 was signed into law on June 13, 1995, and it does >appear to make non-logged anonymous remailers illegal. This is rich! The PA legislature just set themselves up for an anonymous e-mail shit-storm from people using *foriegn* non-logging remailers to prove their point. Hold on to your shorts, you guys at hacktic, et. al., you're gonna have some fun now... Cheers, Bob ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Shipwright Development Corporation, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA (617) 323-7923 "Reality is not optional." --Thomas Sowell >>>>Phree Phil: Email: zldf(a)clark.net http://www.netresponse.com/zldf <<<<<

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Netscape bugs bounty
by & E. Metzger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am among the first people to be sarcastic about things Netscape has done (I believe I originated the joke about the extra money from the Netscape IPO being used to build a structure large enough to house Marc Andreessen's ego), but I think this sniping about the Bugs Bounty is silly. They are finally starting to try to do the right thing and take problems, especially security problems, with their software seriously and not sweep them under the rug. Cut them some slack. It might not be perfect, but they are moving in a good direction. Perry

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Re: The NSA Visits Compendium
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:05 PM 10/16/95 -0700, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: >a study on this would be very significant. (from what I understand, the NSA >tried to do this with public key crypto, i.e. suppress it at the >publication stage. a professor gave a lecture on this in one of my >classes and said that it was even covered in the NYT at the time. >unfortunately I lost the date. I believe it was a long time ago >(maybe the 80's or even the 70's). hopefully someone else has an >encyclopedic brain. 1977/1978. "A Proposal for a Public Key Encryption System." IEEE meeting. Imprisonment threat by letter. Mathematical Games column in Scientific American. 3,000 copies of paper distributed free by MIT. >unfortunately, whenever someone says, "don't name my company", it loses >effectiveness. I would like to point out that people are directly contributing >to their erosion of rights by this behavior that suggests that they >doing something lawbreaking that they are ashamed of. One should always suggest to investigating authorities that they show a warrant or get lost. "Quo warranto"? It is rarely useful to chat with them. DCF

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JOin List request - help please
by John Leishman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Have tried on MANY occassions to join your list. The resultsd are commonly, in varitions of; Date: Tue, 12 Sep 95 15:44:37 PDT To: jleishma(a)ozemail.com.au From: Majordomo(a)toad.com Subject: Your Majordomo request results: Re: Your Majordomo request results: Reply-To: Majordomo(a)toad.com -- Your request of Majordomo was: >>>> subscribe Cypherpunks **** subscribe: unknown list 'Cypherpunks'. Please please, could I be joined <sob> <g> --------------------------------------------------- >>--> -*-_|\ John Leishman in Tropical Darwin / \ Wk (61) (089) 81 8155 Hm (61 (089) 81 9697 \_.--._/ Mobile (61) 018 089 631 Fax (61)(089) 819415 v E-Mail jleishma(a)ozemail.com.au 100026.157@compuserve

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I am looking for a way to create a zombie process
by fc＠all.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am writing a paper that, among other things, talks about detecting zombie processes. I find that, due to my systematic hunting down and eliminating of these processes, I no longer have any hanging around for demonstration purposes. How embarassing - I don't know how to create one! Is there anyone who can give me a simple program or set of commands that creates a zombie process? Thanks in advance. -- -> See: Info-Sec Heaven at URL http://all.net Management Analytics - 216-686-0090 - PO Box 1480, Hudson, OH 44236

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Re: what are these people selling????
by Rich Salz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Jim Bidzos and some of us might have interesting interactions on >patent issues, but I've got to emphasize that he's no demon. He's a >guy trying to make a buck on his patent properties -- by and large he >has the same interests about seeing cryptography spread that the rest >of us do. Only until the patents expire. He's no demon, but there's no altruism at work. Come the millenium he moves to things like selling cars. You heard it here first. /r$

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Undeliverable Message
by MAILER-DAEMON＠usmc.mil 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> Cc: <remailer-operators(a)c2.org> Subject: Re: PA Remailer Concerns Message not delivered to recipients below. Press F1 for help with VNM error codes. VNM3043: CPL JASON P JONES@IRM711@MCLB Albany VNM3043 -- MAILBOX IS FULL. The message cannot be delivered because the recipient's mailbox contains the maximum number of messages, as set by the system administrator. The recipient must delete some messages before any other messages can be delivered. The default limit is 1000 messages. Administrators can set lower limits if required using the Change mailbox settings function available in the Manage User menu (MUSER). The 1000 message limit is the maximum allowed by the Mail program. If this limit is reached, the recipient must delete some of the messages before the mailbox can accept any more incoming messages. ---------------------- Original Message Follows ----------------------[I'm sending this to the cypherpunks and remailer-operators lists. Replies are directed to c'punks, just to avoid crossposting followups, but I read both lists. -Futplex] Mark writes: [re: a new Pennsylvania law] > More likely the law will be used when a remailer operator wont play ball with > the local LEA and surrender any existing logs. Then the LEA can simply throw > the operator into a court under this legislation. > > If (when?) something serious is perpetrated and planned using a remailer then > they will have the motivation to shut them down. I would very much like to see this law tested. I think it could prove fairly important to attack it with a well-planned, benign test case rather than wait for the next National Liberation spam or a death threat. I don't live in PA, but I would be willing to participate as the defendant in a test case under the right circumstances. Presumably I would open an account with an ISP in Penna., set up a remailer on the account (need to find an ISP that clearly allows that), and have somebody send a message through it. We would need to design a promising test case and find an attorney willing & able to offer pro bono services. Any comments or suggestions, esp. from legal types (who of course are not offering formal legal advice to anyone :) ? Is this realistic ? What would it take to elicit a prosecution for such a test case ? -Futplex <futplex(a)pseudonym.com>

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