December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Beat Remote Monitor Snooping?
by JonWienke＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I know that monitors emit RF signals that can be detected and decoded for a considerable distance. I have a question about this. Obviously, the difference between black and white (white text on black background, or vice versa) would be the most detectable, because the difference in signal levels would be the greatest. Would it be possible to reduce or prevent this kind of snooping by using color schemes that all use the same signal levels? For example, the color purple uses the red and blue color guns, and yellow uses the red and green color guns. Would purple text on a yellow background be able to be read by a remote snooper? If not, then perhaps these color schemes could be used to echo pass phrases--assuming the user isn't worried about someone looking over their shoulder. Any comments? Jonathan Wienke

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CD-reading for random keys
by knapper＠bga.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Doe anyone know where sample code exists to enable one to read the digital stream from an audio CD? If so, I'd appreciate some pointers to it via email. It seems to me like an Audio Cd would make the perfect one-time crypto system. You merely start reading at a specific spot, tossing away bytes using a reproducable random number generator, then permuting those to form a XOR one time key of any length you want. All that would be required to decrypt it would be a CD, the starting point, and the encryption/decryption software. The first step is to be able to read an arbitray sequence of digital samples from an arbitrary spot on a CD. I'm currently looking for software (perferably source) to enable me to do that. Cheers Woody -- Woody Baker Postscript consultant/ hired software gun /flintknapper knapper(a)bga.com woody(a)knapper.cactus.org "If you ain't bleedin' you ain't knappin'" -->go ahead, ask me!

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Re: How's that again?
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:43 PM 3/12/96 -0800, Sandy Sandfort wrote: >On Tue, 12 Mar 1996, Dr. Dimitri Vulis wrote: > >> "Cypherpunk" is not a trademarked name. I've seen people say on this list >> (paraphrased)..."I'm hosting a cypherpunks meeting and X will not be >> permitted to come because I don't like his political views". I like >> reading this list, but if these views are compatible with being a >> cypherpunk, then I'm not one. > >No one has ever made an announcement on the Cypherpunks list such >as the one you "paraphrased." The meetings have always been open >to everyone. > >If the good doctor is referring to my univiting of Jim Bell to >a private party held AFTER a Cypherpunk meeting he had better >get his facts straight. Jim Bell would have been welcome at the >Cypherpunks meeting. He would not have been welcome at my party, >though, because of his intemperate bad manners, NOT his politics. Jim Bell is confused. He was assuming that you were refering to the Feb Cypherpunks meeting held in Portland. The meeting was held in a private residence and Jim was asked not to attend because the owner of the apartment did not want to deal with Mr. Bell's poor behaviour. It had nothing to do with his political beliefs. It had everything to do with how he handles himself when his views are challenged. But then, everything that happens in Portland that is not to Jim's satisfaction is somehow my fault... --- Alan Olsen -- alano(a)teleport.com -- Contract Web Design & Instruction `finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ "We had to destroy the Internet in order to save it." - Sen. Exon

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Re: How's that again?
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:52 PM 3/12/96 -0800, Sandy Sandfort wrote: >Jim and interested C'punks, > >In response to a Jim Bell post I wrote: > >> >Hey, Jim, don't forget me. You are the only person I have ever >> >specifically UNinvited to one of my parties in over a decade of >> >hosting same. I guess that makes you special. > >To which Jim replied: > >> You're confused. You're describe YOUR reaction to ME, not MY reaction to >> YOU. And I am unaware of being invited to a "party," and now that I've >> discovered what a sleazy person Alan Olsen and his merry band are, it is >> really doubtful that I would have enjoyed what was advertised as a >> cypherpunks meeting, but which you now claim was a "party." Your level of >> "honesty" is showing. > >A) It is you who is confused (see below) > >B) I'm not Alan Olsen (nor a member of his merry band, so I have > no idea what you are talking about. Wrong area of the country. My branch of the Illuminati only controls the area around portland. >C) There was a Cypherpunk meeting followed by a party. The > pictures are on the Web. A party which I missed. (It looked like ALOT of fun!) >D) It is your level of honesty that is showing. As can be seen > from the two messages (below) I sent you at the time. They > quote you in pertinent part. [quoted text removed for space] I found out along time ago that Jim only sees what Jim *WANTS* to see. This whole tantrum of his is because I challenged his views on the list and happened to mention a "cunning plan" on his. Jim demanded an apology for treating him differently than what he wanted to be treated. (He felt that I owed him some sort of "respect", something I lost for him when I met him in person.) He never once wanted to deal with it in a civil manner. Instead he wanted to vent in public and get some sort of emotional satisfaction. (Something I would guess he does not recieve in real life.) Since that time, he has taken every opertunity to slander me on this list. (And, for the most part, I ignore him.) I have found that the best way to counter any idea that Jim has is to just let him go on about it. His lack of tact, his refusal to deal with any argument against his closely held convictions, his habit of ad hominem attacks with little or no information, and his general loonieness make any ideas he may have easlly discardable as being from a certified crank. (And he does an even better job at it in person!) I do find it quite humerous that he feels that I somehow have control over those who think he is a twit. It shows just how disconnected he is from anything resembling reality. (Maybe he should spend more time on alt.conspiracy. He might find a few people who will humor him.) If I had such unwavering control over then, more of them would post on the national list! Well, I have better things to do than rant about Mr. Bell's more pavlovian responses and you have better things to do than reading them... Back to more productive things. | Remember: Life is not always champagne. Sometimes it is REAL pain. | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ | alano(a)teleport.com |

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How's that again?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:55 AM 3/12/96 +0600, David K. Merriman wrote: >I've *finally* had a chance to try and catch up on my CyP (vice CoP) reading, including the running tit-for-tat between Jim Bell and (most of) the rest of the list. I think this is an exaggeration... I"ve been told that this list goes to over a thousand addresses. Weighted only among those who choose to post (a self-selected group, obviously), I do raise some heat, but it isn't clear that "most" or even a large minority of the list disagree with my conclusions. I'm not assuming they agree, but you seem to be assuming they disagree. >While Mr. Bell's Assassination Politics idea has a lot of interesting ramifications, I've found that his >apparent in-your-face-and-wha'cha-gonna-do-about-it-PUNK attitude makes reading his postings very tedious. In the last few days, I'm basically ignoring AP, and am fighting a fire that some people around here think is just fine. You might note that the same people who have been most critical of my stance on the Leahy bill are the same ones who vigorously opposed AP, suggesting that their motives are questionable and certainly a bit "predictable." As I've mentioned before, and as a contrary example, I've seen (on other lists/echoes) at least two separate instances where people who (proudly?) claim they "always" oppose everything I say, say that my stance on the Leahy bill is quite accurate. _THOSE_ people are at least honest enough to not (always) oppose a position simply because "Jim Bell" supports it, or vice versa. >Perhaps if 'we' were to simply read his postings, and respond *only* to those that maintain a civil tone, it would finally sink in with him that his Terrible Two's antics aren't appreciated. There's is a better tactic you could take. If somebody says something to me, or for that matter to the entire list, that you consider foolish and unsupported or elitist or just plain wrong, rather than expect _me_ to wipe the floor with him, _you_ criticize in a far more tactful manner. Frankly, I get tired of doing the heavy lifting for all the slackers out there who are seemingly content to just sit back and watch the fray. Normally, there's nothing wrong with just READING, per se, but when people like you make statements like: >I've *finally* had a chance to try and catch up on my CyP (vice CoP) reading, including the running tit-for-tat between Jim Bell and (most of) the rest of the list. ...there is at least the (false) implication that the dispute is between me and "the silent majority", a term pioneered by Richard Nixon, in case you either don't recall or weren't around when it happened. You (and he) were falsely suggesting that anybody out there who doesn't say a thing MUST be on your side. >The only other options I see are: > Someone gets his snailmail address and sends him a Dale Carnegie book, or > there's a mass kill-filing, with him as the guest of (dis)honor. > >As noted, his AP idea seems worth discussing, I'd be reluctant to lose it. I'd hate to see him turned into LD-2 (Son of LD? :-) because he doesn't seem to have learned Tact and Manners yet. You will notice, I assume, that I have been and can be tactful to most people; where exceptions exist, they are typically among anonymous posters (such as this "Black Unicorn") who has now admitted he's an elitist legal snob and doesn't want anybody who hasn't spent a few years in law ("mental reform") school to pass judgment on the judges, no matter how outrageous their actions become. Oh, yes, and I can't forget Padgett Peterson, who has raised spinelessness to a new art form. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: How's that again?
by Gary Howland 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Stewart wrote: > At 05:40 PM 3/12/96 -0500, Black Unicorn wrote: > >Revise your statement to: > >"doesn't want anyone who hasn't spent a few years in law school to pass > >judgement on pending legislation and the effect of supreme court decision > >thereon..." > >and you'd be right on the money. > > I'm not a lawyer, though I've played a politician on TV. I'll grant you > that lawyers and other trained legal professionals can do a far better > job of finding and analyzing cases than amateurs like myself, though I suspect > a month or two's experience with Lexis would be enough to let many > of "the rest of us" outsearch the average lawyer of 50 years ago > who had to rely on his or her wits alone. But if the average intellegent > person _can't_ evaluate a law and have a reasonable chance of figuring > out what it says and what it means, there's something seriously wrong > with the way new laws are written, as well as enforced. This is especially true in the UK, since the magistrates (the panel of "judges") in the bottom level of courts (the magistrate courts) consist of entirely of "respectable" members of the community (eg. headmasters of local schools etc.). They are very rarely legal professionals. > [* Is it true that the reason Election Day is on the _second_ > Tuesday of November is to guarantee it never falls on Guy Fawkes' Day?] Ah, Guy Fawkes, the only man to enter parliament with honest intentions ... Gary

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Re: steganographic trick
by tj_lists＠prado.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

** Reply to note from Alan Horowitz <alanh(a)larry.infi.net> 03/09/96 7:13pm -0500 > Vladimir, > > Imagine you're an FBI agent or something like that. You've been assigned > to investigate some guy, to include sniffing out any data he may have > stored in encrypted format to keep private. > > You de-crypt the data from some elaborate stego scheme, and find - a > recipe for chocolate cookies. > > The federal agents I know, are clever enough to say to themselves: > "what's wrong with this picture?" Really? I'm sure some of them are, but I remember reading in G. Gordon Liddy's "Will" that FBI Agents were assigned to check up on novelist Nelson Algren ("Man With the Golden Arm") who was living with Simone de Beauvoir at the time. Seeing both names on the mailbox of the residence, the agents filled in the surveillance form with Subject: Nelson Algren, alias Simone de Beauvoir. cc: Alan Horowitz <alanh(a)larry.infi.net>

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Ecash press release
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Comments: Authenticated sender is <paul(a)digicash.com> From: "Paul Dinnissen" <paul(a)digicash.com> Organization: DigiCash bv To: ecash(a)digicash.com Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:24:54 +1 Subject: Ecash press release Reply-to: paul(a)digicash.com Priority: normal Sender: owner-ecash(a)digicash.com Precedence: bulk Release date: Contact EUnet Amsterdam: Wednesday, March 13, 1996 Mr. Graham Wilson Amsterdam, The Netherlands Tel: +31 20 623 3803 Fax: +31 20 662 4657 Contact DigiCash Amsterdam: email: media(a)EU.net Mr. Paul Dinnissen http://www.eu.net/ Tel: +31 20 665 2611 Fax: +31 20 665 1126 Contact Merita Bank Helsinki: email: press(a)digicash.com Mr. Timo Nikinmaa http://www.digicash.com/ Tel: +358 0 1654 2471 =============================================== Europeans Can Now Make Cash Purchases on the Information Superhighway =============================================== First European Electronic Cash System Opens for Business on the Internet Today EUnet, Europe's leading provider of Internet services, and DigiCash, the leading innovator in electronic payment technology, have launched a system that lets consumers make and receive payments over the Internet--using an electronic form of cash. 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"This will let the unique advantages of ecash shine through: protecting the interest of society better than paper money, while helping people protect their own interests and enjoy the privacy and freedom they are accustomed to with cash." * * * (DigiCash and ecash are registered trademarks and should always be referred to as such) -- end -- DigiCash Background ------------------- Since beginning operation in April 1990, DigiCash's mission and primary activity has been to develop and license competitive payment techniques that show the true capability of technology to protect the interests of all participants. Dr. David Chaum, Managing Director of DigiCash, received his Ph.D. in Computer Science from the University of California at Berkeley, then taught at New York University Graduate School of Business Administration and at the University of California, and headed the Cryptography Group at CWI, the Dutch nationally-funded centre for research in mathematics and computer science, before taking his current position. He has published over 45 original technical articles on cryptography and also founded the International Association for Cryptologic Research. EUnet Background ---------------- EUnet is Europe's leading commercial Internet Service Provider, offering the full range of Internet Services, serving over 100,000 customers and over 750,000 users in 41 countries. EUnet, which manages its own dedicated network infrastructure, offers full local support services in each country of operation. Outside Europe, EUnet has developed an expanding network of national and regional service providers, with the aim of continually extending the services it offers to customers world-wide. Merita Bank Background ---------------------- Merita Bank Ltd was formed in June 1995 from the merger of the largest commercial banks in Finland, Union Bank of Finland Ltd and Kansaills-Osake-Pankki. In Finland, Merita provides a full range of finance, payment and asset-management services for households, companies and institutions. The retail bank serves some 3,000,000 personal customers and over 100,000 small and medium-sized businesses. At the end of September 1995, the total consolidated assets of the Merita Group stood at FIM 283 billion. Merita Bank's market share of total Finnish markka lending was 43.5 per cent, and its market share of total Finnish markka deposits was 43.3 per cent. The number of employees was 16,870. 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Somtel for Windows -the application that offers real-time feed, as well as simulation and position-analysis functions-, is already available via leased line. "The use of money makes stock trading less complicated, with money acting as a practical intermediary between the transactions." states Asko Schrey, President of SOM. "However, since stock trades, as well as the shares themselves, are electronic nowadays, this conventional transmission of money has actually become a bottleneck and a threat to the development of the financial world. Therefore, SOM actively participates in projects to promote and improve the efficiency of payment traffic. We believe that electronic money will offer interesting new possibilities." Yomi Media -- Yomi Media Ltd., a part of KSP Phone Companies Group, offers solutions in the field of digital media, information networks and multimedia. Yomi Media has opened a virtual shop which sells phone accessories and other telecommunication-related products via the Internet. And they are pleased to accept ecash. Yomi Media will provide ecash transaction services for other companies in the near future. Finnish Keltainen Porssi -- Finland's third best-selling paper, Keltainen Porssi now accepts ecash payments. "Keltainen Porssi's business has two features that make ecash the perfect means of payment to us" explains Ari Ahola, CEO of Infosto Group. "Firstly the large number of transactions (some 500,000 weekly readers for the printed media) and secondly the low cost of each transaction. The large number of small transactions is most easily managed using DigiCash's ecash." Ahola concluded "Keltainen Porssi features some 80,000 classified ads per week in two printed issues. The advantages of Dynamic Database Publishing are very attractive in our type of media: The ability to crosscheck and analyse data, enter and browse the ads in real time are just a few of the new features which will be introduced in our Internet edition." added Ahola. MTV3 Internet -- MTV3 Finland is a nationwide commercial TV channel which, with 43% share of the audience, is by far the most popular TV channel in Finland. Since the autumn the MTV3 Web service (http://www.mtv3.fi/) has been developing a media that combines news and entertainment with the possibility to include advertising. With ecash it is now possible to do real-time shopping at the MTV3 Marketplace. MicroMedia -- MicroMedia is a private Finnish direct marketing service house specialized in business-to-business marketing. The Address File lists 300,000 Finnish decision makers at 135,000 offices. How does ecash work? -------------------- Using ecash is like using a virtual ATM (Automatic Teller Machine). When connecting to it over the Internet, you must first authenticate your ownership of the account, and then request the amount of ecash you want to withdraw. But instead of putting paper cash in your wallet, your software stores the digital cash it receives on the hard disk of your PC. When you want to make a payment, you simply confirm the amount and the payee (you can add a description of the items bought, or services wanted, if it is helpful) and then your ecash software transfers coins of the correct value from your PC direct to the payee. Merchants, (ranging from casual participants in the global Internet bazaar to mega-retailers), can deposit the digital coins they receive into their ecash accounts. Behind the user interface, your computer actually creates some 'serial' numbers for the electronic coins based on a random seed. Then it hides them in special encryption envelopes, sends them to the electronic bank for signature and, when they are returned, removes the envelopes while retaining the bank's validating digital signature on the 'serial' numbers. This way, when the bank (eventually) receives the coins you spend, it cannot recognize them as coming from any particular withdrawal because they were hidden from the bank by the envelopes during the withdrawal process. Therefore the bank cannot know when or where you used a shop, or what you bought. The number of each signed coin is unique, allowing the bank to be sure that it never accepts the same coin twice. In case you wish to identify the recipient of any of your payments, you may subsequently decide to reveal the unique coin number and use your ecash software to prove that you created it. How safe is ecash? ------------------ Security is fundamental to electronic cash. The cryptographic coding that protects every 5 cent ecash payment is the same as that routinely relied upon for authenticating requests to move huge sums between banks and even for national security. But in principle ecash goes beyond such communications security to achieve true multiparty security: no one (buyer, seller, bank) can cheat anyone else, no matter how they might modify their own software. Even if two parties collude, they cannot cheat the third. Replacing paper and coins with ecash would make life much harder for criminals. Because the payer's computer chooses the serial numbers of the coins, he or she can later irrefutably identify blackmarketeers, extortionists, and acceptors of bribes--were they to accept ecash. Paper notes, briefcases full of which can be passed from hand to hand without leaving any record, allow money laundering and tax evasion today. With ecash, however, all the amounts each person receives are known to their bank. Significant criminal activity could thus be thwarted by completely replacing paper money; moreover, the privacy of ecash would be essential to widespread acceptance of any electronic payment system. For more information on ecash please contact DigiCash. info(a)digicash.com, http://www.digicash.com/, fax: +31 20 6651126 +-----------------------------------------------------+ Join the new ecash mailing-list! Mail to ecash-request(a)digicash.com and type 'help' or 'subscribe' in the first line of your message +-----------------------------------------------------+ // Paul Dinnissen, DigiCash bv, http://www.digicash.com/ // Experience is what you get, when you don't get what you want --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Reality is not optional." --Thomas Sowell The e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/

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Re: [noise] Re: Do you feel lucky, punk?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:03 AM 3/12/96 -0500, Gary Howland wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Black Unicorn write: >> On Mon, 11 Mar 1996, jim bell wrote: >> > Remember, one of the basic assumptions that any supporter of the Leahy bill >> > could be making is that it will be interpreted INTELLIGENTLY by courts. > >> Wrong. The assumption is that the rules of statuatory construction and a >> long history of weighing legislative history will be used in intrepreting >> the statute. > >Surely one of the basic assumptions of the supporter of any bill is that it >_will_ be interpreted intelligently? [Note - Jim is not saying this is the >_only_ assumption]. Exactly! >It's hard to make bills foolproof, since fools are so ingenious ... And hard-working, too!

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Re: How's that again?
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Jim and interested C'punks, In response to a Jim Bell post I wrote: > >Hey, Jim, don't forget me. You are the only person I have ever > >specifically UNinvited to one of my parties in over a decade of > >hosting same. I guess that makes you special. To which Jim replied: > You're confused. You're describe YOUR reaction to ME, not MY reaction to > YOU. And I am unaware of being invited to a "party," and now that I've > discovered what a sleazy person Alan Olsen and his merry band are, it is > really doubtful that I would have enjoyed what was advertised as a > cypherpunks meeting, but which you now claim was a "party." Your level of > "honesty" is showing. A) It is you who is confused (see below) B) I'm not Alan Olsen (nor a member of his merry band, so I have no idea what you are talking about. C) There was a Cypherpunk meeting followed by a party. The pictures are on the Web. D) It is your level of honesty that is showing. As can be seen from the two messages (below) I sent you at the time. They quote you in pertinent part. >From sandfort(a)crl10.crl.comTue Mar 12 19:04:00 1996 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 22:59:47 -0800 (PST) From: Sandy Sandfort <sandfort(a)crl10.crl.com> To: jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com> Subject: Re: PARTY-PARTY-PARTY ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Jim, You wrote: > Putting the nearest city in the note would have been helpful. Did you try looking at the actual invitation? S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From sandfort(a)crl12.crl.comTue Mar 12 19:04:17 1996 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 08:24:26 -0800 (PST) From: Sandy Sandfort <sandfort(a)crl12.crl.com> To: jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com> Subject: Re: PARTY-PARTY-PARTY ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Jim, You moaned: > I didn't feel inclined to waste 2-3 minutes of my time cranking > up Netscape, and looking at a homepage or whereever the actual > information was. > > I consider such behavior exceedingly rude. I feel your pain. Invitation withdrawn; problem solved. S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NOW do you remember? S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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