December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

New Contact Info... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From ravage(a)ssz.com Sat Sep 6 13:51:44 1997 From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> Message-Id: <199709061851.NAA23913(a)einstein.ssz.com> Subject: New Contact Info... To: users(a)ssz.com (SSZ User Mail List) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 13:51:37 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2924 "Reality is observer dependant" \ \ \\///// | | (.) (.) ===========================oOO==(_)==OOo========================== James Choate Tivoli Systems, Inc. The Armadillo Group Senior Support Engineer SOHO - Internet - Technology 9442 Capitol of Texas Highway North 608 E. 48th. Suite 500 Austin, TX 78751 Austin, TX 78759 Email: jchoate(a)tivoli.com Email: ravage(a)ssz.com Phone: 512-436-8893 Phone: 512-451-7087 Fax: 512-345-2784 Fax: n/a WWW: www.tivoli.com WWW: www.ssz.com Modem: n/a Modem: 512-451-7009 Pager: 888-902-7999 Pager: n/a Cellular: n/a Cellular: n/a =================================================================== Political ideal: The Constitution says "Congress shall make no law..." & What happened to the 9th & 10th Amendments? Philosophy: Pantheism - the belief that everything is divine, that God is not seperate but totaly identified with the cosmos, and that God does not possess personality or transcendence. Favorite Cartoon - Danger Mouse & Mighty Mouse (the original) =================================================================== The end of our exploring will be to arrive at where we started, and to know the place for the first time. T.S. Eliot =================================================================== Adopt, adapt, improvise! Anonymous =================================================================== For a succesful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled. Richard Feynman =================================================================== Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question. Thomas Jefferson, 1st Inaugural Addr

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MD5 in Eudora
by Andrew.Spring＠ping.be 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I was just poking around in Eudora for the Mac with ResEdit, and I found a CODE resource labelled MD5. Any idea why Eudora is using MD5 hashes?

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Re: Linking = Showing = Transferring?
by Rich Salz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Another even more subtle problem is inline images, can you say that a >page with an inline image sourced from a foreign site must obey the >foreign jurisdiction. I would assert this is so, because the web >surfer's *browser* imports the relevant parts of the page from >whatever locations (and jurisdictions) they are in, and displays them >as one page. Inline images are not references -- they are part of the page being retrieved. > <img src="http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/obscura/rsa.gif"> >So that the image is *imported* by the *viewer*, and not supplied by >www.obscura. Inlined images are just a convenient way of chunking. The image is imported by the viewer because the server, as part of the base document, told it to do so. You might be able to fool an ignorant court, but it still doesn't change the fact that Lance has a document that in the natural course of operation of the Web, exports crypto. I would advise him to edit the page so it reads Click <A HREF="http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/obscura/rsa.gif">here to see a picture of the shirt. Heck, the very word, "inline" gives it away. /r$

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Munitions shirt (again)
by Ian Goldberg 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

So, Dave and I got free munitions shirts (they're different, though; the font is smaller and they have a bunch of X'd out Constitutional Amendments on the back; I think they ere designed by Joel Furr) for our bug find. So I'm wearing it today. The thing is, I live in International House, a residence that has 50% non-Americans. So, any consensus as to whether it's actually illegal to do so? I remember some disagreement a few weeks ago that AFAIK wasn't resolved. As far as I can tell, it's _technically_ illegal, but any LEO would be out of his mind to try to enforce it (it would have to be a Fed, too, wouldn't it? Or can regular city cops get you for violating export restrictions?). - Ian

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Re: Big Brother is watching you watch Farenheit 451
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:56 PM 9/5/97 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: > ... >BTW, the last copy of F451 I saw really irked me - the cover had >explanatory notes like "Fahrenheit 451, the temperature that books burn!" >and stuff about firemen whose job is setting fires. >Are today's kids dumbing down, or less literate, or is it just enough >longer since the book was written that publishers need to try harder to >get people to read it? A varient on the third and the first. The people now see this and say "so what?, the school boards decision to get rid of Mark Twain is over a year old." They see the simple title and don't see the same high octane comments that they see on movie posters. "burn, and fire" probably selling at least 5% more books. That and even though they realize that a lot of it is old news to them. It happened within thier lifetime without thier realizing it. Everyone, please send a recomendation to your senators and representatives to please at least watch the movie variations of Farenheit 451 and 1984. The fact that so much of what was depicted in these books was once fiction should be noted and expressed. If teenagers were informed that there was full-frontal-nudity in the 1984 movie, they might even be convinced to watch it. I didn't see the Farenheit 451 movie, I read the book, I saw part of the opening, saw one inconsistancy, (teacher where the neighbor was a student), turned the PBS station off and went to bed. So, I really don't know if there is any good stuff there. (Does the owner of the bible burn on screen? Does the stand in for Guy Montag get killed on camera by the electric hound? Does Guy Montag roast the fire chief alive, and do we get to see the flames? Etc.)

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cypherpunks press releases/contact list: YES!! DO IT!!
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm going to argue against TCM and others who are opposed to a "cypherpunk press release" because this is not an "organized group". a press release mechanism is one way by which the organization of this group can be increased. and I'm going to say something heretical in cypherpunk circles, but imho, ORGANIZATION == POWER. this is a basic rule of life that all the rabid libertarians and cryptoanarchist loners here hate to admit, but it's really true and inescapable. anyone who wants to issue press releases for the "cypherpunks", I say, GO FOR IT. don't let someone discourage this because this is an "anarchy". that's actually an excellent reason for you to JUST DO IT!! some will be willing to have their names on the list, and they will email you. others will flame you and not want their name included. simply ignore the later category!! the cypherpunk logo is not copyrighted. no one has any say on who or what a "cypherpunk" is. so, let someone pick a reality and let it prosper or wilt by assent and "voting with the feet". just be careful not to misrepresent anyone. start a list, just like anyone can start a FAQ. a list of names to contact and their specialties would be *excellent* for this purpose. occasional press reports on what is happening on list traffic would be very useful, too. look, there are some very tangible and definite ways to advance the cypherpunk agenda. there are many here who like to play in the dark and shadows and not make any noise. that's fine!! but don't expect everyone to share your disinterest in publicity or organization. if this is in fact an anarchy, why are you discouraging anyone from pursing that which interests them?? IMHO playing in the dark, not trying to appeal to the widespread masses through the media and everything else at hand, is just the NSA's way of trying to manupulate reality through "back door" approaches. I again suggest that a simple list of poeople here who are willing to talk to the press, organized under their expertise/speciality, is an *excellent* idea that is an idea whose time has come. this is such a great idea that *I* may do it if nobody does it after a week or two. --Vlad Nuri

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Re: Netscape sub rosa?
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:30 AM 9/20/95 -0700, you wrote: > >Gee, where's that "Cypherpunks logo" when you really need it? > >A rose covering the Netscape "N" logo? A crypto eagle swooping down and >pecking at weak keys? > >Netscape sub rosa? Or a big burning Netscape logo? Or an NSA agent licking the hot end of an electrical power cord for a Cray? Or a picture of a lock with a big bullet hole through it? Oh no! Not the "Logo Wars(tm)" again! | Visualize whirled keys | alano(a)teleport.com | |"It's only half a keyserver. I had to split the | Disclaimer: | |other half with the government man." - Black Art | Ignore the man | | -- PGP 2.6.2 key available on request -- | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano | <fnord> |

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Re: EFF $10,000,0000 Challenge
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> At 17:31 05/09/97 GMT, bureau42 Anonymous Remailer wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- > >Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 > >MessageID: od2CIT3fELE7K6bkIkKGJBj0MPUJ2TT8 > > > >hQCMA6ozRjzmqceZAQQAh02x0Dxer5vzZiSJ+v7bnMZQdgp425z5OH0NF/f/mXXc > >vInw+UsuTXqWNEV5rEQKYjU3qHoe6suCz5f9hEEnOIBacsD28pYU4ahkGOCTuTY6 > >N3xKrtDRqLPInB8PY7Kfd56jjQsVVRKmJBwXqHbPax4YyUB6ZbKKvSPiuUsAAQSl > >BAH3CFNKcmYjf+VtpjAVOpDNM/PMm1e6m33rZ01Sq6pXC0TTabCf7hkWscet0PCL > >VX0l1Zw5IKaFqo+pZ3EICRMF6HQrc30G7L9TFeKr//3YsO3/bC4VBgNQHA0qf2nD > >ldxAsTGPlRthBTxrzE0LjeOKi/pQOLXQMPQUwEIaL9rncjFgniplFoL6Nj0guJvW > >VvS+gxth8hpeWss7WlFFioV0vShsS/lahA+eg/9nVy8ken8pr4m484w2vwoiSdce > >CarVigVaRh6tCgh0jub7CHuDFg== > >=Q9+G > >-----END PGP MESSAGE----- > > I have brute-forced this message with my NSA-surplus CrayVax (TM) and determined its contents are as follows: Nuke Washington D.C. Now. Please. Do it for me. -- TruthMonger To the EFF (Electronic Forgery Foundation): Please get in contact with me via the remailer network for instructions on where to send my $10M. Here's my PLP key: -----BEGIN PLP PRIVATE KEY----- Version: Pretty Lousy Privacy v6.66 Comments: No Comment UPghm21YcptuKTiUHPwTn4xSjMKfsfVDRKwKWtx1teuauHiM/IBzWMH5+nhxhVjO gOuUIXkcJXcjr1yG2QVGWLJndKBHC3wI/eRC5zYaQGwtz97hpQ9iAJl9hpIYoeKi R/Qe8eC8vQnyOCx7Gare+OuoqLRJj5IvvS3BDShb1mr3s3U1LVEhmI9kS5br6NWY V1J3l2hCk8cdqDRZmgjUoq32mAwK/vTbijCg5Yk1CCkXO3mvia3rNeVdrYJ3/Pv9 t2jHIlAL0qAyJQMdz2qFcmvLOxB3ZiZhA+VYDaeXZ5TZNEz/K+TSU8brMInfaUKi P/R/4YerdYjN8/10xz/j/gJjgIkEddToUYjt2VQDv8E/xcXT0YJZhNWIT/u+MHVF ns9RWIH5J+UxcKPUPjDB7WvuO4+WvoT5xCtPbQhUlpuJrDfWLCjUd6orzovr6yZx HcxBSl8EGy4oULWi5ztrw1fyXm4AmpDB5QNgmWcILIbWNDOAePqxvrAjJEhLHQar y6eHYoL/nuOQonZsB66DhXnlXSghBGp+sNs3XXIOkKHtbPk1jqT9MHg9oe7OwiA4 mcQUpM3XKOPUXcMwEtRzDJnIaeZo3xbwRnmdSaGAyPujFJdz58QLHOte2pcSAkrA Jtrs+SrhZw== =zXsO -----END PLP PRIVATE KEY-----

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Re: Munitions shirt (again)
by liberty＠gate.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Ian Goldberg wrote: <snip> >>So, any consensus as to whether it's actually illegal to do so? I >>remember some disagreement a few weeks ago that AFAIK wasn't resolved. And Tim replied: >The _consensus_ here seems to be: "This t-shirt is illegal to wear in front >of non-Americans," judging by the comments here. And since _I_ started all this trouble with a private e-mail to Futplex; I'll now jump in saying again, [IANAL]: "This t-shirt may or may not be illegal to wear in front of non-Americans," from my reading a while back of the dense text of this silly law, [I'll spare all of you a quote of it, but there's text that MIGHT be interpreted that way.] >The _reality_ is quite different, I think, and the "this shirt is illegal" >hype is, in my opinion, just that, hyperbole. I agree with Tim that actual enforcement of this silly a law is unlikely, especially in Ian's case right now, and *especially* during our US (election) "silly season," for obvious reasons. The availability of strong encryption is unlikely to be a major issue during this election cycle, despite Cypherpunk efforts, and enforcement of this dumb law would be a "gift" to those of us who think it should be. [I hope I'm wrong here, but I think you're safe, Ian.:)] >Even hyperbull, too. I wouldn't go *that* far, though. Poorly written, ambiguous, statist<g> laws can be interpreted in any number of ways and for a variety of reasons having little (or nothing) to do with justice. <sigh> JMR <snip> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Freedom isn't Freeh iQCVAwUBMGBvrW1lp8bpvW01AQFj1AP8C1RKpayv6V15sTBLiFLWV4tlfWRUuLfm JVWgeUeHUFxBV1EttbGv30iTmwlCJmBab/wLUag9S57DLZ6Ajed7jQe0rpra56Nl OgmM1gGU8nJJazYeqiWbYrOc/VSheSqQVLAj+vOoufW8XnU1iFkXQnRziCcyO2Nc bto4hKBrFWY= =qlSx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Regards, Jim Ray "Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced." -- James Baldwin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- PGP key Fingerprint 51 5D A2 C3 92 2C 56 BE 53 2D 9C A1 B3 50 C9 C8 Key id. # E9BD6D35 James Milton Ray <liberty(a)gate.net> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Help Phil! email zldf(a)clark.net or see http://www.netresponse.com/zldf _______________________________________________________________________

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17 Dec '03

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