December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: Some thoughts on the Chinese Net
by tallpaul＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Feb 15, 1996 15:17:51, '"Robichaux, Paul E" <perobich(a)ingr.com>' wrote: > >Now that all information has a recognizable source, dissidents in China >can be arrested, and unacceptable information never makes it into the >country. > >Registering IP addresses of course won't block out thoughtcrime originating >outside China, but unless everyone else adopts the packet signing scheme you >outline the censors will still have to filter incoming material >semi-manually. As far as I can tell their government is at least as >interested in keeping things in as they are keeping out the Four Horsemen. > Assuming this system is estabished, then we would want to modify our remailers to strip IP packet information as well as normal header, no? --tallpaul

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Re: Legal status of Indian Reservations and CDA
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Michael Peponis wrote: > If I remember correctly, are not American Indian reservations considered > qusi-sovergin states under the law? Yes and no. Sometimes states are able to go after then for taxes in terms of money made from non-Indians. NYS complains about people going to reservations to buy cheap cigarettes, for instance, and wants taxes collected from non-Indians. I think the Iran-Contra flap involved using a reservation in Calif. to get around some weapons manufacturing or exporting laws. Not sure, though. > If this is true, what would stop me from negotiating with some tribe to > establish an ISP on the reservation and then placing whatever material I wanted > on that site without fear of reprisals from the US goverment. The tribe. They may not be too happy about an ISP on their territory carrying porno, neo-nazi literature or even crypto... Actually, they may look down upon any business deal meant to circumvent US laws, since it can get them into an unpleasant conflict with the gov't. It would be an altogether different situation if they wanted to start their own ISP though... Beware of exploiting poor people on Indian reservations or elsewhere on the planet just to be outside of the laws. Even if it seems for a good cause to you, the locals may not look to favorably. > After all, if they are a soveign state, decency is covered by whatever laws > they have, if any, not the CDA. Their own laws may be stricter. Much stricter. Also, what about the receiver? Or the receiver's ISP? Erotic materials are legal in plenty of countries, but can't the receiver get in trouble? As soon as people see the flawed logic in the Amateur Action BBS case, that's the take they'll go for... and it's back to square one. Rob. - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMSasCCoZzwIn1bdtAQFwZgGAyPIqr9h4dKNfPFgt/3I3n8qIRvoe4lM7 Lcd6Zsp12hcO9Dbckn202L6O1Qjxy+yi =dY6I -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Indian Reservations USC cites
by Greg Kucharo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ok, one last thing on indian reservations. There is a searchable database of the United States Code at the following address; http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/25/ Title 25 covers Indians. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCPAzEIa2wAAAEEALouE7MNxsG+QTOJSrMTygYWKblpI9MgOKaFA+5AICNelAw6 6Gj3B0EQr7bwLILk8EJULG+kYh/ND9Kn1EXBK+elXbwpFCLqoyEZrbHJnurhH/t6 VFEwhbN1V0e/bFOCTq8nykoJjZ/uq0mz8HouIbEt6BYWoKVSUIU/T+iDV3TVABEB AAG0DWdoa0Bzb3BoaS5jb20= =gwax -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: True random numbers
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:25 PM 2/17/96 -0400, Sandy Harris wrote: >A possible exception: I wonder if the checksums on Ethernet or IP >packets use a reasonably strong CRC algorithm. The algorithm used with IP packets isn't even particulary good for error detection. It was designed for easy computation on slow, narrow chips. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: Using lasers to communicate
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:44 PM 2/17/96 -0500, SINCLAIR DOUGLAS N wrote: >> If you have a secure link you don't need encryption. Arguably, the >> converse is true; if you have secure encryption you don't need >> a secure link. Isn't the ability to transmit secure data over >> insecure channels one of the primary justifications for encryption? >> > >Of course. My point, though I seem to have failed to state it, >is that encryption is a cheap software thing while laser beams >are expensive, complicated, and still not secure. Ah yes, but software without hardware doesn't do much. Wires are expensive, and in many places you can't string them across public right-of-ways. The distance from my house to my neighbor across the street is less than 200 feet. I suspect some form of optical link would work fairly well. I also think it would be hard to tap. I think my point is, don't throw something out of your tool bag just because you can't use it everywhere. Bill

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Re: Legal status of Indian Reservations and CDA
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:03 PM 2/17/96 +0000, Michael Peponis wrote: >If I remember correctly, are not American Indian reservations considered >qusi-sovergin states under the law? > >If this is true, what would stop me from negotiating with some tribe to >establish an ISP on the reservation and then placing whatever material I >wanted >on that site without fear of reprisals from the US goverment. In the last Indian war (the Modoc war), the Indian leaders were hanged as common criminals when the war was over. The current law allows small sins on the reservation. I suspect that if you tried to sell porn from a reservation or thru the mail you would find out the limits of Indian nationhood. Bill

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by Mailer-Daemon＠ig4.att.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: CyberAngels
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:30 AM 2/15/96, Medea wrote: > I bet if you use the word "cryptology" in a sentence, the CyberAsses >would have no idea what you were taking about. "Cripology?" "Oh, yeah, dat be da study of da Crips, one of da gangs we be protectin' da peeples against." --Curtis Sliwa

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Counting bits Fast
by norm＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I hear that there may be those out there burning many compute cycles counting one bits in piles of data. There is code at http://www.MediaCity.com/~norm/Hamming.html that might provide a factor of ten over more obvious bit counting code.

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Indian Reservations
by Greg Kucharo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A indian reservation sure beats moving to the Turks and Caicos. Well maybe not the weather part, but anyway in recent times I believe that several local governments have challenged the indian gaming enterprises. I recall a report on NPR about a challenge in Deleware or New Hampshire by a group of townspeople that was on the edge of a reservation. The indians won the case and were allowed to continue. Because of the new wealth generated by the bingo parlors and poker tables, the various tribes have gotten lobbying power in Congress. So I think that indian reservation sovernignty has grown in recent years, and would be very intresting course to pursue. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCPAzEIa2wAAAEEALouE7MNxsG+QTOJSrMTygYWKblpI9MgOKaFA+5AICNelAw6 6Gj3B0EQr7bwLILk8EJULG+kYh/ND9Kn1EXBK+elXbwpFCLqoyEZrbHJnurhH/t6 VFEwhbN1V0e/bFOCTq8nykoJjZ/uq0mz8HouIbEt6BYWoKVSUIU/T+iDV3TVABEB AAG0DWdoa0Bzb3BoaS5jb20= =gwax -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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