December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Proxies
by Sam 'MaCpHReaK' Chua 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyone know of any public proxies? Knowing that your sojourns through the net go through your Government's proxies is really unnerving.

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We received your mail
by NYT Web Customer Service 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: unSAFE won't pass?
by Vin McLellan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Will Rodger <rodger(a)worldnet.att.net> declared: >It may make for good copy, but I think it's just fantasy to think the >administration or their opponents, for that matter, will get what >they want this year. Let them swarm. Who cares. > >At earliest, August of 1998 before anything passes - and even that is >highly optimistic. Will: Could you please explain the logic, numbers, and procedural limitations of congressional action that lead you to this conclusion? Why not now? Why not between now and August '98? Why the deadline/target-date of August '98? Suerte, _Vin "Cryptography is like literacy in the Dark Ages. Infinitely potent, for good and ill... yet basically an intellectual construct, an idea, which by its nature will resist efforts to restrict it to bureaucrats and others who deem only themselves worthy of such Privilege." _ A thinking man's Creed for Crypto/ vbm. * Vin McLellan + The Privacy Guild + <vin(a)shore.net> * 53 Nichols St., Chelsea, MA 02150 USA <617> 884-5548

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Re: unSAFE won't pass?
by John Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com>: >By late September, the Commerce committee will vote on SAFE. By >mid-October, the committee chairs should have worked out a compromise >package. This goes to the Rules committee, chaired by Solomon. Until last >week he vowed to block SAFE. Now he'd like, I'm told, to get the FBI's >version to the floor immediately. There are, however, only so many slots >on the suspension calendar. The thing I still don't understand is why anyone thinks the house will support the new bill. There were hundreds of co-sponsors for SAFE in its original form. The modified version is exactly the opposite of the original SAFE. So it seems like a majority of house members should oppose the bill. "John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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InfoWar 9 (Part III of 'The True Story of the InterNet')
by Bianca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Today's meeting
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to everybody that showed up for today's meeting. Much is happening. And it is not just the evil legislation moving through Congress. Cypherpunks have been busy writing code. A very useful Ecash implementation compatible with DigiCash's protocol will be released next week. Onion Routers have been ported to Linux. Other semi-clandestine projects are moving forward as well. Again people asked me where to find some pictures from the Cypherpunks field trip to HIP'97. One more time: all archives are accessible via http://www.hip97.nl/ Some of the better archives are Joichi Ito's pages at http://www.ito.com/mpeg/hip/ which amongst other things features an MPEG of myself as a DJ Next, check out the HIP'97 network site at http://spin.vpro.nl/hip.shtml You have to go a few levels deep before seeing the usual suspects. And you haven't lived until you see the RealVideo of Brian the HIP Brain http://magazine.dds.nl/XArtikel.phtml?ArtID=156&KatID=7 In fact, there are about five or six articles about us on this semi-official HIP journal site. http://magazine.dds.nl/XKaterng?KatIDnu=7 Have fun, --Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. DES is dead! Please join in breaking RC5-56. http://rc5.distributed.net/

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Re: cypherpunks-j & CDR - cross subscription? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 07:36:25 +0200 > To: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> > From: Joichi Ito <jito(a)eccosys.com> > Subject: Re: cypherpunks-j & CDR - cross subscription? > Cc: sen(a)eccosys.com > > > Please let me know when you get cypherpunks-e up and running and I'll start > > dumping to it from this end. Also please subscribe 'cpunks(a)ssz.com' to your > > cypherpunks-e list so that I get outgoing. > > OK. Just set up the list. I am using ezmlm with qmail in its vanilla form. > I'm not sure what it uses for duplicates and loop control.. hmm... > I am leaving for Tokyo from Austria in one hour so maybe it is a bad idea > to subscribe cpunks(a)ssz.com until I'm back? > > In any case, please put cypherpunks-e(a)htp.org on the distribution for the > list. If you think that your list can take care of all of the loop control, > then can you tell me, or send mail to cypherpunks-e-subscribe(a)htp.org and > add yourself to the ML? > > Thanks for all of your help and appreciate very much being added to your > network. > > - Joi > > -- > Ars Electronica 9/8-9/14: Contact VIA GSM +49-171-357-9233 > PGP Key: http://pgp.ai.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2D9461F1 > PGP Fingerprint: 58F3 CA9A EFB8 EB9D DF18 6B16 E48D AF2A 2D94 61F1 > Home Page: http://domino.garage.co.jp/jito/joihome.nsf > To subscribe to my personal mailing list send mailto:friends-subscribe@ji.to > Tonga is not a signatory to the Berne or the Paris Intellectual Property > Conventions I just got the chance to add the link. They should be online for receive only until Jiochi adds the cpunks(a)ssz.com subscription on his end. We were originaly considering adding the cypherpunks-j list but the issue of non-english language traffic arose. We compromised I suppose... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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What really happend in DC
by Magus Mixmaster Anonymous Remailer Service 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Several people have asked me for the real story of what went on in Washington. Here it is. Some carpetbaggers (EFF, CDT, etc.) went to DC without having the first clue how the game is being played. Oblivious to the fact that Congress will not, can not, pass a pro-crypto bill, they found a few Congress people that either believed in the issue or at least thought they could milk it for publicity. Some bills were proposed and sent on their way. Meanwhile, the real players were laughing their butt off. Their project was right on track. Using a time honored mixture of incentivising and FUD, GAK was pushed upon industry. The real players know that banking will require strong crypto, so banking and financial transaction information are exempt from the export prohibition. This conveniently opens the most lucrative market segment of the worldwide crypto business to US companies, thereby reducing, if not eliminating, the business case for fighting export restrictions. If not eliminating because on the other end of the crypto spectrum, the export regs and GAK are irrelevant for all practical purposes. It simply doesn't matter for most people if their love letters are protected by 40 bits or by 128 bits. Nor will it matter if the crypto used has GAK or not. Unless they are into some _really_ kinky stuff. The market segment between is too small to make it economical for large businesses (the only one's with clout and the only ones about who's campaign contributions one should worry) to fight over this issue with a very determined government. With industry removed as an opponent (ignore for the moment the voices still originating from some industry spokespeople. They and their jobs will go away as their managers come to realize that said voices have a negative rate of return), only civil liberty groups are left. And as I mentioned earlier, those don't have any clue about the nature of the game at the national security (as in the very survival of governemt) level. The Four Horsemen can just ride right over them. With the bull worn and tired, all that is left to do is the coupe de grace. Since Congress has become aware that crypto is an issue and since many lawmakers know by now that there would be some law, the bills already in Congress were simply rewritten. No point in wasting time by introducing a new bill. Some may ask what the effect of all this will be. Simple: o The "reliable parties" that need strong crypto will have strong crypto. o Those that don't really need strong crypto won't have it. o The government has new and better surveillance and control capabilities. o The Cypherpunks attack on the State has been rebuffed, since the widespread use of strong crypto it requires won't occur. (Just to help those that will counter by saying that they'll still have a copy of PGP save some time: this is utterly irrelevant. The individual, or even a group of individuals can never be a danger to the State. Annoying perhaps, but not a danger to its existance. In fact, the occasional Cypherpunks with his copy of PGP provides a net benefit to the State. Just as the occasional terrorist or nutcase with a rifle does).

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