December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Big machine ordered from Intel
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:40 AM 9/8/95 -0700, Patrick wrote: >How much you want to bet that a first copy goes to virginia? >> NY Times, Sept 8, 1995. >> Intel Wins Contract to Develop World's Fastest >> Supercomputer >> San Francisco, Sept. 7 -- The Intel Corporation said >> today that it had won a a contract from the Department of >> Energy to develop what it called the world's fastest >> supercomputer. ... >> The machine, to be built at an estimated cost of $45 >> million, would use 9,000 of Intel's forthcoming P6 >> microprocessors linked in a configuration known as Not likely. It's the kind of machine Sandia _would_ use, especially since they seem to be getting good support for nuclear-related boondoggles even after the demise of the Cold War, and it's also the kind of thing they could use for commercial applications if they lose their nuclear funding, or use to say "But we _need_ to keep funding this program, we haven't yet gotten our money's worth out of this big expensive computer", etc. Also, the cost is roughly $5K/processor, which is probably more than you'd need to build a MPP key-cracker, which doesn't need as much interaction between processors. #--- # Bill Stewart, Freelance Information Architect, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # Phone +1-510-247-0664 Pager/Voicemail 1-408-787-1281 #---

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Cdn-Firearms Digest V1 #974
by jf_avon＠citenet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Excerpt from Canadian Firearms Digest V1 #974 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 11:08:33 -0600 From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest(a)sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca To: cdn-firearms-digest(a)broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V1 #974 Reply-to: cdn-firearms-digest(a)sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 20:25:42 -0600 From: "GoPlayer Kootenay" <Kootenay(a)goplay.com> Subject: Is Our Government a Legitimate One? This is really just the beginning of what I hope will turn into true multi-logue among not only the RFC, but the Canadian people: What makes a government, at any level, "legitimate"? Is it a line or two in some Statute Book or Constitution, or is it the Continued Assent of The People That Are Governed? I think it's the second choice; our current government at the Canadian federal level thinks it's the first choice. It IS "against the law" to advocate, or to attempt, the ousting of the Canadian government by any method except by the process of voting. These laws were framed in a day when the ideals of Democracy were held high by Government, and the rights of the individual were of the order that the Libertarian movement advocate today. Government RESPECTED the wishes of the people, and generally didn't try to do any propaganda to mould public opinion (except in time of war against the common foe). In turn, the People respected their Government(s) and their laws and statutes, because their elected representatives truly strove to REPRESENT their constituents, and their concerns. Prime Ministers did not beat up on MPs that spoke their minds in favour of the folks "back home" in the Riding. Members of Parliament and Legislatures were honour-bound to resign at the first hint of involvement in Scandal. Times have changed. The Canadian People no longer respect their government, by and large. They do not believe that their elected representatives are much better than confidence-men. Canadians know that MP's and Members of Legislatures will follow what the Party Leader and his Cabinet decree. Ministers and Members no longer think of Scandal as something repugnant to Honour -- just as a temporary embarrassment. Their Leaders rarely pressure them to resign. Democracy is a mere shell of what it once was. Justice peeks through her blindfold when it suits her. Canadian Government has lost its legitimacy. It no longer has the True Assent of the People; it keeps its power by increasing its level of visible intimidation of the People, relying on Rule-by-Statute and Orders-In-Council. Canadians increasingly are afraid of their Government. And the Government knows that. In turn, the Government is increasingly estranged from the People, and passes Laws to coerce "desired behaviour", rather than Good Law that is a REFLECTION of the Peoples' morals and standards. I'm sure most of you have noticed the steep rise in the use of SWAT units to attend incidents where conventional uniformed police officers would have been the norm a decade ago. I'm certain that you have noticed an increasing lack-of-regard by the police for the rights of the Public. I know that most of you are aware that the police are tending to over-react in many clearly non-threatening situations -- take the Chilliwack BB gun incident, for example. And our police do what they are told by their bosses. Just like good little Germans did what they were told by their bosses not so long ago. Good little Canadians are becoming "good little Germans". Only the uniforms are different. When the Russians had had enough of their pre-1917 totalitarian royalist regime, they backed an equally-repressive revolutionary Communist regime. It took them over 70 years to dump that one. People will always opt for a "change", when they are pushed far enough. Bills C-17 and C-68 are just two examples of the Canadian government's thinking, "Perhaps the People *have* been pushed nearer the breaking point". It's food for careful thought. And speech. Shhhhh! - ------------------------------------------------------

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question about reputa
by damion.furi＠the-matrix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

F|Adam Shostack writes: |# Good question, but a quick modification allows for effective |# bootstrapping. If I want to start consulting for Amalgameted |# Consolodated, I can offer them a 10 free questions deal to bootstrap |# things with. Mallet can only cheat if my offer was broadcast. F|Wei Dai writes: |> This scheme doesn't quite work. (Let's call Amalgameted Bob, to keep |> names short.) Bob can create a new, unlinkable pseudonym and give the same |> offer to Carol under the new pseudonym. Then, Bob acts as Mallet and |> passes messages back and forth between Alice and Carol. F|If all Alice's prospective customers are also resellers on the side, then I |agree that she has a problem. But how realistic is a market scenario in which |a new supplier cannot positively identify some legitimate end consumers of a |product or service ? (I'm ignoring cases in which the market for the |product or service is only just being forged.) This strikes me as rather |implausible, although I don't claim to have devoted a great deal of thought |to it. Hey, Wei, you overlooked something rather simple: suppose Alice wasn't any good? Or suppose she was good, in general, but came up wrong at a bad time? Whereas she might have corrected it in time if it had been her client and she had direct access, Mallet gets hit broadside out of ignorance-- and the resulting delay from the extra link in the chain could easily be enough to ruin him. :----------:----------:----------:----------:----------:----------:----- : furi(a)the-matrix.com | pgp-public-key(a)demon.co.uk | LIVE LION ALERT : 2.6.2 1024/C1225CE1 | 38 11 7C 59 FB F3 7C C0 F7 E9 67 1F AF B8 2D 94 PGP: When it's none of their damned business. --- þ SPEED 2.00 #2640 þ

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Re: Information
by Joe Spainhour 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: 90 degree turn Re: Socio-Economic Cults (Re: Cypherpunk Cults)
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:45 PM 8/30/97 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: >At 08:57 PM 8/28/97 -0400, I wrote: >>I didn't find out about the Japaneese concentration camps until after I saw >>the karate kid and had it explained to me. As I had most of my high school >>career ahead of me at the time, that much info should have made me aware of >>the lessons covering them in my various high school history classes. Nearly >>every history class I have had has either stopped sometime around the end of >>the civil war, stayed in Oklahoma, ... > > Did the "Trail of Tears" expulsion of the Cherokee to > Oklahoma get covered? > Yes, it was covered. One chief's wife was commended on her bravery and self-sacrifice for giving her blanket to another woman, (and subsequently freezing to death, or something similar.) The blame was pinned on sub-contractors who were charged with feeding the Cherokee people but who often didn't, or who often left the food out hours in advance to spoil. In this particular Oklahoma history class lesson. Not once was an Oklahoman held responsible for the death of so many people. Most of it was given to the people occupying the states between Oklahoma and, I believe, Florida.

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Cypherpunk Action Items
by Mike Duvos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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New Eternity Server?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > Or to express things more elliptically. It pays to be Young. Is there an eternity server named "Forever Young?" Perhaps someone should start one up, and use it a place to send posts that don't really belong on any particular mailing list, because no one can quite figure out what they mean, but should be available to read somewhere, because they clearly say something that it is important to know, but nobody can quite figure out what it is. The web site could carry a "Je Ne Sais Quois" rating. JeNeSaisQuoisMonger

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by biz4uin97＠compuserve.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: You really do want to volunteer, don't you? (fwd)
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: >>>This was an actual case, heard by the Supreme Court several years back. Bus >>>passengers were given the opportunity to volunteer, as noted. Failure to >>>volunteer was construed as probable cause that contraband was present. >>> >>>(No, I don't know the name of the case. My recollection is that it took >>>place in Florida or one of the Carolinas. Nor do I recollect how the >>>Supremes decided the case... >> >>This sounds like _Florida v. Bostick_, 501 U.S. 429 (1991), on the web at >><http://www.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&navby=case&vol=501&invol >>=429>. >> >>Bill Stewart's summary of the case looked like a good one to me. >[...] > >One strategy I've considered is to never, never, ever admit that I don't >know something, as this will forestall the corrections, expansions, >clarifications, and citings. One of the things that is - or can be - useful about a cross-disciplinary list like cpunks is that it's possible to read messages written by people who appear to have knowledge about other unfamiliar-to-the-reader fields, and have some confidence that the author isn't completely screwing up what they're writing about, because other list members are likely to speak up and say "Hey, you're not really getting that right..". I provided a case cite and agreed with Bill Stewart's reframing of the issues in the _Bostick_ case not because I imagined that it was especially interesting to you (Tim), but because I think we all lose out when bad information (like, for example, the idea that _Bostick_ is about probable cause, or that it held that failure to volunteer constitutes probable cause) is circulated, especially by people who are otherwise credible authors/speakers. A more useful way to avoid corrections/citations/clarifications might be simply getting the details correct in the first place. -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | Export jobs, not crypto.

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WIPO Implementing Legislation
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Sender: kaye(a)popd.ix.netcom.com X-Priority: 2 (High) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 14:22:54 -0700 To: From: Kaye Caldwell <KCaldwell(a)commerce.net> Subject: WIPO Implementing Legislation Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: member-sponsored-owner(a)commerce.net Precedence: bulk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ This message was addressed to: member-sponsored(a)lists.commerce.net +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ TO: CommerceNet Members A member company has asked that we consider whether CommerceNet joins in the concern, as expressed by the Online Banking Association, that some provisions of HR 2281, the legislation implementing the WIPO treaties, undermine the objectives of the SAFE bill and have a negative effect on the development of encryption technologies. Specifically their concern is that Section 1201(a) will effectively prohibit encryption research and development in that it prohibits the manufacture and use of decryption technologies, which are used to test encryption technologies and make them more secure. They suggest that section (a) needs to be redrafted to prohibit the use of decryption technology to obtain unauthorized access to encryption works. My recommendation is that CommerceNet join in this concern and the recommendation for resolving it. Please let me know if your companies have any objection to CommerceNet doing so. Additional background information is available below. - Kaye Caldwell CommerceNet Policy Director ================= Background Information ========================== For reference, HR 2281 is available at: ftp://ftp.loc.gov/pub/thomas/c105/h2281.ih.txt Section 1201(a) states: `(a) VIOLATIONS REGARDING CIRCUMVENTION OF TECHNOLOGICAL PROTECTION MEASURES- (1) No person shall circumvent a technological protection measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title. `(2) No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof that-- `(A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological protection measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; `(B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological protection measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; or `(C) is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person for use in circumventing a technological protection measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title. `(3) As used in this subsection-- `(A) to `circumvent a technological protection' means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological protection measure, without the authority of the copyright owner; and `(B) a technological protection measure `effectively controls access to a work' if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, requires the application of information, or a process or a treatment, with the authority of the copyright owner, to gain access to the work. ============= End of Background Information ========================== =================================== Kaye Caldwell, Policy Director CommerceNet http://www.Commerce.net E-mail: KCaldwell(a)Commerce.net Phone: (408) 479-8743 Fax: (408) 479-9247 =================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent by a majordomo-based automatic list manager. Subscriptions to and archives of this list are available to CommerceNet members, partners, and invited guests. For further information send a mail message to 'member-sponsored-request(a)lists.commerce.net' with 'help' (no quotations) contained in the body of your message. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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