December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: House Report on SAFE
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Apache wrote: >I must have missed a post on this. Have you been ordered to remove >material by Jim Bell? Has equipment been seized? No, nothing's been done like that to my site that I'm aware of. My remarks are meant to keep Jim Bell's undue incarceration alive. Maybe a little whistling in the dark. It's a bitch to be isolated and targeted like Jim has been, which is the oft-spammed point terrorists make with political hostages unable or unwilling to toe tithe.

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

James Love wrote: > On your other point, I really don't agree that is morally wrong to >take steps to prevent children from having access to pornography. >People may propose ways of doing this which are objectionable, but the >basic goal is hardly immoral. Indeed, many think it is immoral not to >protect children. Yes, yes...one man's morality is another's immorality. Each of them thinks of himself as "being in the right" and sees the others as wrong or even "evil" (witness the anti-BoyLover zealotry). Different subjects but the same bullshit. See the futility of it yet, Jamie? If parents find pornography objectionable for their children, then they must take ultimate responsibility to keep pornography away from their kids. If they are not willing to do this, then they should not have had the children in the first place. It's up to them to take care of their kids. Not you, not me, not the government, and not some "voluntary" ratings system. CyberAnalFistFuckingActionMonger

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Pauline Hanson's One Nation newsletter
by Global Web Builders 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Rep. White introduces Internet Protection Act
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan writes: > This is important. After all, the FCC's charter gives > it jurisdiction over all electronic communications -- ^^^^^^^^^^ > though the commission has opted not to exercise its > authority in cyberspace. Here's a fun little thought experiment: Considering the hairsplitting that takes place everyday in courtrooms these days, an arguement could be made that since virtually the entire net these days is optical fiber, there are no 'electronic' communications taking place. Does the FCC charter mention photonic communications as well? At what point does the charter allow them to interfere? Here's some steps on the way... * A mime, 'working' outdoors in daylight. The communication is entirely by photons, and the light source is non-electronic. (I know that many people would like to see mimes suppressed for the good of humanity, but bear with me). * A mime, working by electric light. Does the fact that electricity is involved in creating the light make the communication 'electronic'? I don't think so. (IANAL) It (the mime) is certainly modulating the (electronically generated) light, just as an optical transducer does. * A mime, illuminated by an electric light, and viewed through a fiberscope. There's certainly no new 'electronic' components introduced at this step, so sending modulated, electronically generated, photonic messages through an optical fiber would not seem to constitute an 'electronic' communication. * A mime performing inside a sealed box, illuminated by electric light and viewed through a fiberscope. Once again, no new 'electronic' components have been added. * The mime, finally realising that the box is airtight and unopenable (I told you to bear with me :-), signals for help by sending Morse code down the fiberscope with a flashlight. The other end of the fiberscope enters a similar box, where another mime flashes back "Great 'walking against the wind' technique, but I can't help - my box is sealed too." Is this an electronic communication? This is getting pretty close to the situation of two computers connected by fiber optics - the communication mode is even digital. The boxes are silent, consume electric power, and communicate via optical fiber. I don't think the FCC's jurisdiction extends inside the boxes, where all the 'electronic' portions of the system reside. Just some idle speculation... Peter Trei trei(a)process.com

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17 Dec '03

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House Report on SAFE
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

House Report 105-108, Part 2, July 25, 1997, reports on the recent House International Relations Committee action on Goodlatte's SAFE crypto bill, and includes analysis, supporting and dissenting views, and a few letters sent to the committee: http://jyx.com/hr105-108-pt2.htm (87K) As before offered, see HR 105-108, Part 1, published at the end of May: http://jyx.com/hr105-108-pt2.txt (94K) Note: that's JYX.COM, (same as 108240.primehost.com) our temp site to fill in for remanded JYA which is to be unJimmed soon, isn't it, your honor, what stink you screeching about, that's just rotting pork.

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download
by Dr. Jai Maharaj 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:21 AM 7/31/97 -0400, Sandy Harris wrote: > Dr. Jai Maharaj <jai(a)mantra.com> writes: > >|> ...where on this scale do you start to object to my actions: >|> 1) I use a killfile to ignore certain messages. >|> 2) I program my personal newsserver to discard certain messages. >|> 3) A group of us, by consensus, program our common newsserver... >| >|Unanimous consent? >| >|> 4) A system admin, with due notice to users, programs a >|> newserver..... >| >|What constitutes "due notice" in the present context? > >Postings in news.announce.newusers. That's ridiculous. One shopping for an ISP, without access to the Net, is not in a position to read a notice in a newsgroup. It makes sense that censorship and forgery advocates would also suggest means of hiding the truth. Again, if an ISP were to advertise "Newsgroups censored through forgery" -- in electronic, print and broadcast media, or wherever advertisements are placed or material made available to investors, then that would be "due notice". Jai Maharaj jai(a)mantra.com Om Shanti

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free market services vs monopoly government
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I wrote at the bottom of another post: > General rhetorical question: indeed why have governments at all? and Kent Crispin parried: : General rhetorical answer: Because people are the way they are. Kent you seem to harbor the belief that government monopoly is a good thing, or at least that government is somehow an unavoidable necessary evil. I doubt I'll convince you otherwise, but in case there are other people reading who still think governments the best way of doing anything, I'll try to explain why I think government monopoly is a bad thing. Are you opposed to free markets? Government holds a number of monopolies. These monopolies are not efficient. They result in resource wastage on a mind boggling scale. The USG has pretty much bankrupt your country, the US national debt being I understand at a level where US citizens collectively do not have the resources to pay it off. If a privately or publicly held company got to that stage the receivers would be sent in. The success that a country does enjoy is pretty much proportional to the degree of market freedom. Luckily for us our governments have left a bit of freedom in markets, or we would have food shortages, and rationing. In economies with extremely low amounts of market freedom, the readily observable inefficiency demonstrates my point. (eg Former Soviet Union communist economy). Governments tend to grow, and soak up larger tax percentages, and encroach into more aspects of life which were previously a question of free choice, or were previously purely market driven. The reason for this growth is due to the government as an entity unconciously promoting itself as an organism. A great huge cancerous growth which has us by the jugular. The reason governments as businesses can get away with their abysmal performance is because they have a near complete monopoly. A good start would be a choice in government, to generate some competition. So you can buy membership in a protection racket, hire the services of a private security firm, or buy insurance from an insurance group because of its benefits package, or go elsewhere if the offering sucks. You choose on an individual basis what package best suits you, and you choose the service providers who you consider as the best value for money. eg. I can go buy into Uncle Enzo's pizza delivery and protection racket because the protection is 5000% better value for money than the Feds deal. I can pick and choose the services I want to produce a mix which satisfies me. Double efficiency, people don't have services provided for them which they actively don't want, and I can buy services which the government attempts to prevent the market from providing, so my requirements are better met. As well as the increased efficiency obtained in provision of services which governments are currently holding monopolies on, the reduced taxation and regularatory burdens put on the economy would cause a boom. And your argument is? That people want government? Fine, let those sheeple that do want something even more oppresive and intrusive than the current government buy into whatever form of oppresive cult they want. Perhaps a sheltered perimeter gaurded enclave where all media is censored, there is capital punishment for spitting on the side walk, evil thoughts results in public flogging, etc, and where the taxation rate is 90% would suit them to a T. Great! We need some evolutionary pressures anyway. So which mix would you choose Kent? Or are you arguing that there are lots of stupid people, and that you are happy to let their ill-informed choices, and their willingness to go with the bankrupt corrupt status quo fuck your life up? Why should there be blanket decisions made and forced upon you as an individual. Free choice makes for much more efficiency in terms of economics, and in terms of individuals happiness. Here's a reading list for those interested in disbanding government and replacing it with services purchased on the free market: "Snow Crash", Neal Stephenson Snow Crash is a sci-fi novel giving a depiction depictions of life with choice in services, private law enforcement services competing with Uncle Enzo's pizza mafia. "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", Heinlein The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is a sci-fi novel giving a depiction of a wild-west like legal system. There are no laws, excepting individual responsibility. "Machinery of Freedom" 2nd Ed, David Friedman Machinery of Freedom talks about free market methods to provide services that have traditionally been provided by government. "The Wealth of Nations", Adam Smith The Wealth of Nations is an interesting book despite being published in 1776. Didn't have his judgement clouded by this namby-pamby socialist/communist junk. Pure capitalism, examining why the free market is efficient. "The Road to Serfdom", Hayek Road to Serfdom explains in Hayeks view that socialism is a slippery slope leading to economic decline and communism. In context of Nazism after second world war. He makes the case that Socialism the root of much evil. Adam -- Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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