December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Philadelphia Enquirer Story on Clipper
by frissell＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:46 PM 7/31/94 -0700, Lucky Green wrote: >> Dorothy E. Denning, chairman of the computer-science department at >> Georgetown University and a supporter of the Clipper plan, said such >> a world [with unbreakable encryption] would be like ''highways without >>traffic lights and people >> without driver's licenses.'' > >Let me predict it here today: there will be the day that you will need a >license to access the Net. Yeah. I can imagine it. It would be like New York City today where the tabs are telling us that seemingly half the population is "driving while license suspended." <g> Course the 1st Amend. was specifically designed to eliminate the nasty British habit of licensing newspapers. Driving licenses weren't mentioned in that document. Have their been any licensing proposals for the Information Stupor Highway yet? If the Supremes will let me burn a cross, isn't it likely that they will let me log on? DCF "On the Information Super Highway, there will have no speed limits, there will be no rest areas, <voice change to irony> there will be no troopers. But there will be a passing lane, a passing lane." -- Network MCI

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Re: Children and the Net
by gtoal＠an-teallach.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

structure on the net. I merely ALSO disagree with the flood of opinions that seem to say that he doesn't have the right to raise his children as he sees fit. If he wants to only let them see sanitized Could you point one of this flood out then? I didn't see any like that. I've no interest in interfering with how he raises his children. I was quite explicit that all I wanted was that his child-rearing plans don't interfere with my life. Or my kids' for that matter. You're a terrible man for putting words in other people's mouths, Perry. G

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Re: Children and Cypherpunks
by doug＠OpenMind.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Tim May writes: >This won't cut it. No outsiders can interfere with how I raise my >children, in terms of the views I expose them to... >...I'm getting involved here in this political discussion because some >Cyherpunks think it's OK to forcibly butt into how others raise their >children, that this is somehow consistent with a Cypherpunk attitude >about information and liberty. It's not. I think the issue is far from clear. While I agree that the liberty of parents must of course be protected, I believe that the liberty of children is an equally important issue. While I can understand the strong historical, social, and even biological roots of the desire to maintain absolute control over one's children, I believe that children do have inalienable rights as unique and individual persons. How are we to clearly distinguish between the parent who confines his child to an attic room 24 hours a day from the parent who puts up similar informational walls that block his access to knowledge of the world? Granted, at its extreme, this idea flies in the face of almost all previous human history. Nonetheless, the information era brings with it never before encountered possibilities for new relationships between children and society at large. Hence, the attitude of child "ownership" by parents may call for serious re-examination. I would predict that the rights of pre-adults will become one of the most important civil rights issues of the next century. Doug ___________________________________________________________________ Doug Cutrell General Partner doug(a)OpenMind.com Open Mind, Santa Cruz =================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAgUBLjwc74ocgYlDu3UBAQEUjgP/fT8Ww6SK0bHVnh2Qm9p57nEn4ZZ4kHH9 sHBs3Q41tHb5ta7N1NRFeHO2KPQCFxpuxPvEW7XRWyZ11hzEgZVMDUv/yIpvIJoQ G6dijp7MRDaoQ/4bEVHW8XxdRJro1GptgRaW18v68z0rBja/nuLfaq7FybQThY1p ndmqgQpwvJ4= =m7t0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ___________________________________________________________________ Doug Cutrell General Partner doug(a)OpenMind.com Open Mind, Santa Cruz ===================================================================

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Survey: what free scientific, mathematical, statistical software is wanted?
by tim werner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This was not cross-posted to any crypto groups, so I thought I would post to the list. Hope it's appropriate. Article 491 in gnu.announce (moderated): Date: Sun, 31 Jul 94 17:23:58 EDT Distribution: world Newsgroups: gnu.announce,gnu.misc.discuss,sci.stat.math,sci.stat.consult,sci.stat.edu,alt. iams,comp.lang.fortran,comp.graphics.gnuplot,comp.software Followup-To: poster From: lenk(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: Survey: what free scientific, mathematical, statistical software is wanted? Lines: 25 [ Please repost this wherever you think is appropriate! ] Project GNU of the Free Software Foundation is conducting a survey to determine the kinds of mathematical software commonly utilized by scientists and mathematicians. Your answers will help us to determine the programming tasks we present to our volunteers. This will ultimately result in a more complete set of math programs and subroutines available as free software. Please answer the following questions with regard to scientific, mathematical, and/or statistical software: 1. What packages are commonly used? 2. What programs and subroutines are desired, but not available? 3. What freeware currently exists? 4. Where else can we ask these questions? Please give as much detail as you can, including package name, author, language, and where it can be found. Send responses to math-sw-survey(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu Thank you!

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Encrypted text illegal across US borders?
by baum＠apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've been told that it is illegal for us to transmit encrypted text to locations outside the borders of the US (i.e. sending email across the Atlantic that is encrypted). Is this true? ************************************************** * Allen J. Baum tel. (408)974-3385 * * Apple Computer, MS/305-3B * * 1 Infinite Loop * * Cupertino, CA 95014 baum(a)apple.com * **************************************************

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Crypto Takes a Holiday (NYET, Children, etc.)
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[remove reflective headgear, cough, adjust nomex underwear, blow whistle..] Good afternoon. Having just percipitated an accidental thread on rockets, I'm not one to talk, really. That's never really stopped me before, of course... However, if someone could tell me a direct relationship between strong crypto and parental values, control of one's offspring, evangelical christianity, and other inherent Rights of Mankind(tm), I would greatly appreciate it... Cheers, Bob Hettinga [check respirator, pull down headgear, resume position behind corrigated steel barricade] ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) "There is no difference between someone Shipwright Development Corporation who eats too little and sees Heaven and 44 Farquhar Street someone who drinks too much and sees Boston, MA 02331 USA snakes." -- Bertrand Russell (617) 323-7923

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No Subject
by owner-cypherpunks 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by owner-cypherpunks 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by owner-cypherpunks 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Children and the Net
by mpd＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> On Sun, 31 Jul 1994, Mike Duvos wrote: > > Had it not been for the fact that having children covered with > > scars, welts, and bruises is not considered child abuse in the > > state of Texas, all the children would have been removed from the > > compound prior to the raid, and only the adults would have been > > toasted. > Puh-leeze! There has been little to no evidence of ANY abuse of the > Branch Davidian children. The only thing we know is that Koresh liked his > mates young but that doesn't mean the rest of hte children were abused > and, of course, Koresh's kink is quite normal in quite a few places. Are > you forgetting that the BDs were investigated for child abuse and cleared > earlier? These facts were well documented. Child welfare workers visited the compound and examined the children. Signs of previous physical punishment were noted as well as a room devoted to that purpose and the appropriate paraphernalia. A doctor at Baylor University Medical Center was asked later why this didn't cause the removal of the children, and said that while such behavior would certainly be considered abuse in a medical sense, it did not meet the legal definition of abuse according to the laws of the State of Texas. Texas, of course, is the leader on the national corporal punishment bandwagon and dishes out over 250,000 state-sponsored beatings every year in its public school system. So far all efforts to ban the practice have been successfully opposed by the teachers union. -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ mpd(a)netcom.com $ via Finger. $

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