December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: PC-Expo
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

passes. I think handing out floppy disks is NOT a very cost efficient scheme. It makes more sense to spend the money on xeroxing flyers explaining to people what encryption is, why it's important and how they can get the tools for themselves. Very people are going to load up a program from a disk that some stranger gave them. You'll also likely get thrown out of Javitts. I think that uploading to a local BBS is a bueno idea. I downloaded all PGP and shell programs from Internet and then uploaded them to a local BBS. I then put a classified add in the local Mensa paper (monthly) and gave phone number, description and asked that if anyone downloaded the files to upload a copy to their favorite BBS. In Haydukes book "Get Even" they called this the multiplier effect. Although the add costs me nothing and they circulation is only around 900 or so issues there is a good chance the software will travel to another 25 or so boards. I am also condidering taking out an add in the Arizona Republic (circulation aloat) and offering PGP !!!!FREE!!!! to anyone that calls my friends BBS. That should make him happy and should also spread the program to thousands of non Internet users. The cost to me is about $25 but the satisfaction is imense. Hayduke is right about the multiplier effect, just like I said about faxes earlier. If all members of this group fax to their non-long-distance government representatives then we can get the word out effectivly stronger than any other group. The ol' multiplier effect on the good ol' cypherpunks group. several hundred times 6 is 1200 messages from one letter. I think this is good. -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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RE: The American money capture
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Hal Finney & Eric Hughes >(Today, with our experiences of inflation in the 1970's and 1980's, it is hard >for us to appreciate the problems with deflation. But I think deflation was >much worse. The Great Depression was pretty clearly caused by deflation in the money supply. To quote Milton Friedman: "All told, from July 1929 to March 1933, the money stock in the United States fell by one-third [...]" Capitalism and Freedom, p. 50 .................................................... Would it be too complex and lengthy an explanation to provide to say how the money supply is decided in the first place; that is, how an appropriate amount of it is calculated initially? Is this in reference to the gold or other backing which gives each dollar its monetary value? Blanc

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Re: PC-Expo
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-> | The software: PGP, SecureDevice/Drive, a file viewer (sor of like list) which | I've written that does some minimal mouse support, a menu system I guess, and | lots of articles. <- Please, please try to include Macintosh software. I think often, through no fault of vigilant authors, the macintosh users get the short end of the stick in code. Consider including versions of Curve Encrypt, and MacPGP2.3. I don't want to speak for the authors as for distrubution questions. Contact Curve Software at : kinney(a)bogart.colorado.edu Curve's key: -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3 mQCPAiz+bEEAAAEEAMUbtdwYC1vY+s5559ERIvC1MT+Yaw3ozheaHcUciJe7cSAk k9TpAQd7iKukKnQe5kK1YtvYm0JP6fmNrcO8AmG5ukvcOlyuri618sjpXncpQ1cL 5xeV80f3JtmheGMnqAzTK8OyfJ7zRh1PhAZcT/vVzf+JGuCuVcJkEfxTVMrJABEB AAG0K0N1cnZlIFNvZnR3YXJlIDxraW5uZXlAYm9nYXJ0LmNvbG9yYWRvLmVkdT6J AJUCBRAs/wK89+/hOkiDY/EBAeN5A/0fFX5On4Zxc/guNdDb+nHZcd6TwJxUb9ST TlsJX4BAKAcf0xG4DY0L+9DN0N6w6FOR3RuZIAUx25xS9yRBSMLe1gOw6qI9C/lt Ovh7ycoKCkOBqoe6oisRzREhIr3U+FQXRIu7Qhn5ETEljRjWvQ6fheohrLhSGVsf pBaKtb2fVw== =LCyY -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Speaking of macintosh software: Any word on... 1> StealthPGP for the mac? 2> More secure stego for the mac? 3> SecureDevice for the mac? 4> The source code for MacPGP2.3 v1.1? 5> PGPtools for the mac? 6> Cryptographer's Workbench for the mac? -uni- (Dark)

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Re: The American money capture
by Hal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There are a couple of things I disagree with in Gary Jeffers' post. (Mild spelling flame - it's "fiat" money, not "fait" money.) I am interested not from the conspiracy aspects, but from the private- versus public-money angle. > PAPER MONEY BACKED BY PAPER > There is only one cause of inflation; it is officially - but not > constitutionally - authorized counterfeiting of money, the official > issue of paper money substitutes that are not fully backed by & > redeemable in the real lawful money they purport to represent. Until 1850, there was no official paper money in the United States. The US government controlled coinage, but they had a lot of problems getting enough money into circulation, especially in the fast-growing frontier area. Between 1800 and 1850 a great number of private banks were started whose main function was to issue paper money. Although this money was not a legal tender (meaning simply that people could refuse to accept it) it did circulate widely as cash, often displacing coins. Although ostensibly backed by lawful money (e.g. US coins), this did not stop the bankers from engaging in fractional-reserve banking. Indeed, if they had not done so, their banks would have been of no value, as they would not have helped remedy the shortage of circulating money. (Today, with our experiences of inflation in the 1970's and 1980's, it is hard for us to appreciate the problems with deflation. But I think deflation was much worse. The effects are similar to what we see today when the Fed tightens the reins on the money supply - a halt to economic growth, business bankruptcies, growth of unemployment, debtors unable to pay off their debts, mortgage foreclosures, etc.) (Also, note that a constant money supply in a growing economy is effectively deflationary. The money supply must increase at least as fast as economic growth or it will serve as an active brake on the economy, IMO. I don't know what economic school this view comes from, but I first heard it from Milton Friedman.) Even though the cash was not "official", inflation was a problem. In fact, it was a chronic, overwhelming problem. Once a bank realizes that it can buy things simply by printing money, it takes more self-restraint than most institutions (private _or_ public) have to keep from doing so. Things were made worse by the fact that our understanding of the inevitable bad results of such inflation was simply absent back then. The bankers did not under- stand that printing more money would inevitably devalue the currency. They thought that the inflation they saw was due to psychological factors, people not trusting the bank, or greedy merchants trying to take advantage of the public. (These arguments were echoed in the 1970's and 1980's, but they have of course been widely discredited now. The issue was far less clear in 1850.) Throughout the private-banking era, runs on banks, booms, busts, and panics, all the traditional extreme manifestations of the business cycle, were seen. And all this occured at a time when the only lawful, legal tender money was hard currency: gold, silver and copper coins. Clearly having such a money is no proof against the pernicious effects of inflation. Despite this historical record, I think that private currencies today would have the potential to succeed. The increased economic sophistication about the effects of different monetary policies would help bankers steer clear of the most egregious errors of the 1800's. Digital cash signatures avoid the widespread counterfeiting and discounting which also plagued that era. Hal Finney hfinney(a)shell.portal.com

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Re: Clipper and Congress (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I wonder if these Representatives (and Senators for that matter) would be > so supportive of Clipper if they were reminded that for it to be effective > even THEY would have to have the chip on THEIR HOME PHONES, THEIR OFFICE > PHONES, THEIR CELLULAR PHONES... > > I doubt many Congressional members are "clean" enough to support a chip > with such a threat over their lives. > Hve you ever been inside IRONMAN or IRONMAN2. The governments sophistication with secure methods of sending voice and data are SECURE. IF YOU ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT THE CONGRESSMEN OR SENATORS WOULD STOOP TO SOMETHING THAT WASN'T SECURE THEN I HAVE A CLIPPER CHIP WITHOUT A BACK DOOR I WANT TO GIVE YOU. People for cryptography/cryptography for people -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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secdev1.2, hp100lx and HP PCMIA card support and security(nonexistant)
by kelly＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well the elimination of a very weak security feature on the HP palmtop line the hp 95lx password option, just a screenlock, in the hp100lx any pretence to privacy is now gone. As a result I initially attempted to load the binaries for the secdev1.2 release and was chagrinned to find out they get divide errors on the lowly 8088 clone of the hp100lx...? any ideas?(I suspect they are compiled for 80386 and up and will disassemble to verify after intial recompilation to 8088 targets.. Has any done this already?? cheers kelly

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PC-Expo (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!media.mit.edu!wex (Miburi-san) Date: 05 May 94 Originally To: prism.poly.edu!rarachel When is this event? I have some disks I can send you, or I'd be willing to kick in a nominal sum of money to support the effort. --Alan Wexelblat, Reality Hacker, Author, and Cyberspace Bard Media Lab - Advanced Human Interface Group wex(a)media.mit.edu Voice: 617-258-9168 Page: 617-945-1842 na53607(a)anon.penet.fi We are Chaos Boys. We are coming to a paradigm near you. YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING????!!!!!????? THIS IS LIKE DRIVING COAST TO COAST IN A FUCKING SEMITRUCK AND BUYING A DAMN GALLON OF DIESEL AT EACH FUEL STOP> YOU WILL NEVER NEVER NEVER GET THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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Hell's Bells... (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!netcom!lile (Lile Elam) Date: 05 May 94 Originally To: toad.com!cypherpunks I just noticed that president(a)whitehouse.gov is listening in on this channel... -lile HELL, he's and asshole, his wife is a stupid kunt, his daughter is an ugley little brat. But the cat's OK. Health insurance reform 1) Dissallow preexisting clauses and limits in medical policies 2) Pool no hope cases (AIDS, Cancer etc.) in underwriter pool covered by all insurance companies. 3) Shit? no more medical insurance problems. 4) Oh yea, set maximum rates and make them uniform for all insureds. 5) Use public assistance for the remainder of people that fall in the assistance level due to income. -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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Re: Anonymous phone calls... (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> One of the problems of using the pre-paid cards was brought to light > recently in the Olympic incident of Harding/Kerrigan. Harding's husband > bought one of the cards to make phone calls and they traced the calls back to > him via the card, since you have to present valid ID to purchase those. Wow, FUCKIN' hard to figure out. The little round things you have in your pocket are called coins. If you pick up a phone an ask the operator to call Fort Yukon alaska she will ask you to put some of those round things in the phone. Believe it or not, she will now when the phone has a nuff round things and let your call go thru for three minutes maybe. Be sure to wipe your fingure prints of the round things before depositing them in the phone (This is like doing a file wipe in PGP) -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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Re: Keyserver service outage (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

/ | It is my understanding that folk outside the USA can legally run /PGP | versions from 2.0 to 2.3a, but cannot legally run Viacrypt /2.4 or the | RSAREF-based version 2.5, because they contain code /that cannot be | exported from the USA. Thus, it appears that the /keyserver will not | accept any legally created keys from outside /the USA. I think that this | is a bad thing. / / I think folks outside the US can legally run 2.4 or 2.5, as /there are no restrictions in their countries on using that /software. The difficulty is getting it outside of the US without /getting anyone in trouble. I think if cryptography is illegal it does't mater a FUCK what version the program is. Insure against the inevetable by distributing to the DUMM FUCK CLUELESS COMPUTER USERS THAT ARE NOT AS FUCKIN' COOL AS YOU ARE. Power to the people/power in the people -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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