December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by bmorris＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com CC> Alas, the full quote runs "Under the rule of men entirely great, the CC> pen is mightier than the sword". Pen wielders tend to omit that awkwa CC> preface. Perhaps a better ( and more optimistic ) way to put it would be "All the armies on earth can not stop an idea whose time has come". * RM 1.4 B0037 *

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by Jeff Gostin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dan Harmon <harmon(a)tenet.edu> writes: > What do they know that we do not? Makes you wonder about all of PKP's > claims. Has PKP ever sued anyone over their patents or have they just > threatened? Very curious. They know that they have deep pockets. AT&T has some of the deepest pockets in the country, and could out-money PKP/RSA in yesterday's heartbeat. PKP fights little guys... that's all they've HAD to fight, so far. Now that they have a real opponent, who can meet (and surpass) their level of gameplaying, it'll be interesting to see what happens. --Jeff -- ====== ====== +----------------jgostin(a)eternal.pha.pa.us----------------+ == == | The new, improved, environmentally safe, bigger, better,| == == -= | faster, hypo-allergenic, AND politically correct .sig. | ==== ====== | Now with a new fresh lemon scent! | PGP Key Available +---------------------------------------------------------+

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ANOTHER CELLULAR VIC
by bmorris＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com KK> Bear in mind that OJ himself placed a call to 911. You sort of expect KK> to lose some of your privacy when you do that. Actually OJ called his ex-wifes condo, her father answered, OJ said he was coming over to kill himself, the father ran out yelling "Call 911". But yes, I would want my cell phone number to appear on the 911 dispatchers screen too. * RM 1.4 B0037 *

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No Subject
by Martin Strzyzewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Y0 I want more info about cypherpunks....who r they? im form Poland.,..... thx -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | Martin Strzyzewski | | kefir | | kefir(a)pluton.pol.lublin.pl | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

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Re: Andy Grove on Clipper
by qwerty＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Tim May concluded, after an insightful essay, >Is it hopeless? For public relations, probably yes. Fortunately, the power >of strong crypto lies in its use. The leverage effect. > >As Phil Karn put it: "Don't get mad, get even. Write code." The crypto code exists, for whatever you may wish to do (at least if it isn't real-time voice, but that's also being written). What is now needed has nothing to do with crypto. It has to do with art, not science, not mathematics. Interface design and interface creation, for PGP. It means Mac and Windows. That's a 100+ million user base. That's why we started the Mac Crypto Interface Project, and why similar is needed for Windows. We already have a simple Apple Script interface almost done (by Pete Hinely) which will allow MacPGP2.6 to be used by millions, not just a few fanatics. "g(x) = O(f(x))" doesn't matter now, no more than E = hv mattered for getting microwave ovens in every household. Nice GUI matters now. The product exists but it needs packaging and marketing. I'd like to see a shift in focus here, brought on not by my nagging, but by realizing how radical a thing it would be, were a five-minute learning curve, "No Questions Asked" PGP interface available for the Mac and Windows. And in this effort, newbies are the experts, and the leaders, for it is they we must serve. It comes down to, do you want strong crypto tools just for your group of a few hundred, or do you want to change the world? -=Xenon=- P.S. ftp to ftp.netcom.com in /pub/mcip to get MCIP.Design.Spec.cpt.hqx to see pictures of future MacPGP. There's will also soon be a simple-Simon interim interface (already almost done) which will use MacPGP2.6/2.6ui as a dummy crypto engine. No more 14 buttons and four text areas every time you want to encrypt the Clipboard. Also, it looks like AOL and Compuserve etc. will finally start carrying PGP. That's a mainstream market. PGP2.6 is a radical thing, thus. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLgMjewSzG6zrQn1RAQHriwP9EHp1N392+kOSezzjxce/TgcDFokilrGL wks/v9Cyi/MlxGIG1pyZU1U1kM/VM8VrrAuAI1f5/3KevfpeJLuBdoO04wH1TDcb EkBBjjOw5WgNUhF7QVJc52WSroQB/8Mle95H1bLlEKeYL1eVP0l6bDDGQK6T2+KZ Rzl+zkaXhJY= =hRbR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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DECLINE AND FALL
by bmorris＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com LL> If capital flees a country, the population will be less LL> productive, dissatisfied and vote the politicians out of office. So LL> policies that favor capital in some sense also favor labor. LL> Anyone else care to take shots at his argument or support it? Hot money ( investing money ) is always going wherever the best yield is, and ignores national boundaries. While this isn't capital investing money, a big inflow/outflow to/from one country, especially a small one, probably will affect the politics. With global banking, and stock and commodity markets effectively open 24 hrs a day, this trend will increase. For instance, the stock market of Turkey zoomed up last year, and is zooming down now. The hot money was there last year as is leaving now. This is undoubtably affecting their internal politics. * RM 1.4 B0037 *

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Re: L.J. Freeh and the Opposition
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Check out sunday's _Parade_ magazine for an article on Louis J. Freeh, the > director of the F.B.I. "Tough on crime", "man of the streets", and ruthless > eliminator of directors :-) If he ever throws his weight behind Clipper, the > battle will get *MUCH* tougher. Yeah. On the other hand, his weight *is* strongly, if quietly, behind Clipper - he's pushing the Digital Tele-phony Initiative to prevent the phone companies from offering real crypto, so that if one of them *does* decide to offer real non-Clipper encrypted service (e.g. cellphones), they won't be able to. If he were officially on the side of Clipper, then the Clipper forces wouldn't be able to say "it's purely voluntary"; for now they can pretend to be totally separate efforts.

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Chaining Help?
by Mark Terka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Could someone give me some advice on chaining? I'm thinking of bouncing a message fisrt thru hacktic and then soda (as you can Usenet post from there) but need some tips as i seem to have trouble getting the encryption sequences correct. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Terka | werewolf(a)io.org | public key (werewolf) at Toronto,Canada | dg507(a)cleveland.freenet.edu | pgp-public-keys(a)demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: "The Virtual Hand": Free-market Internet guide
by Richard Johnson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > >The Competitive Enterprise Institute is pleased to announce: > > > > > > THE VIRTUAL HAND > > > > > > CEI'S FREE-MARKET GUIDE TO THE > > > INFORMATION SUPERHIGHWAY > > >... > > > Alright, who let the spammer in? I subscribe to net-resources for this > > sorta crud; I don't need to see it here in cypherpunks. > > Didn't look like a spam to me. It looked like a very targeted ad > to a receptive audience. Cypherpunks contains, after all, a high... This part of the audience is certainly not receptive. I'm here to discuss crypto and its implications, not to have my mailbox filled with adverts. Keep the spam off. Unordered e-mail advertising (beyond a pointer to where to find more info) is indeed bad. If I wanted to read that guff in its entirety, I would have checked the Web, gophers, or FTP sites, etc. Richard

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MAIL: secure mail
by Karl Lui Barrus 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > What I've tried is to do a "|pgp -feat ecarp|rmail erc%khijol(a)apple.com", > but pgp just produces empty files! If I execute it by hand, it works. > Anyone know either (1) why it isn't working wnd how to fix it, or (2) > suggect a better alternative? The problem may be this: pgp needs a path. Try "| PGPPATH=/whatever pgp -feat ecarp | rmail erc%khijol(a)apple.com" This is what I needed to do when I tried something similar with mh and slocal. Karl Barrus klbarrus(a)owlnet.rice.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAgUBLgOoX8SF/V8IjI8hAQEOCgP+KvrsAOZ/rRK5Vq4t26rgH20EzKipijds nai5x4Tki6mZfnEbb5uUVOEb6QSaf5E6rCSoGVBW2eVcX7frSXXQdPr9TuHM/W5A xfVqr/KInHwwxOWa2XK0nvhfHyUKJuOlnbIolEpgk2o42OMax4EERTfReJWqD/2f B//7SsCcjy0= =6ktn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Karl L. Barrus: klbarrus(a)owlnet.rice.edu 2.3: 5AD633; D1 59 9D 48 72 E9 19 D5 3D F3 93 7E 81 B5 CC 32 2.6: 088C8F21; 97 73 9E 8B 98 3E DD B5 E8 97 64 7E 20 95 60 D9 "One man's mnemonic is another man's cryptography" - K. Cooper

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