December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

.rainbow.folks
by Brad Dolan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A group of these folks gathers every summer not so far from here in The Cherokee National Forest, just south of the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. They're known to be pretty ...um... eccentric. I may have to drop in and check things out for myself. Brad bdolan(a)well.sf.ca.us

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Re: (fwd) New ITAR Indictment
by gtoal＠an-teallach.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Anonymous User <nobody(a)soda.berkeley.edu> Subject: (fwd) New ITAR Indictment Are you serious? (fwd) From: chuckles(a)MCS.COM (Jason Skiles) Newsgroups: alt.security.pgp,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.org.cpsr.talk Subject: New ITAR Indictment No he's not you cretin, it was an obvious joke and it was only funny the first time I read it. (If then.) Glad you used a mailer with a return address. Let's see where I left that list of 1000 Skoda jokes I can send you... G

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Re: (fwd) Re: BSD random() - any good (source included)
by gtoal＠an-teallach.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

. I must sympathize with those who don't have filtering agents and must pay for extensive messages in their mailboxes. Blanc Actually I have very good filtering agents, and I don't mind hitting the 'n' key much either, but by the time it gets to my mailbox it's already spent 5 minutes going down my phone line and I've paid British Telecom 20 pence for it. G

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Re: Whew! The dangers of posting to Usenet
by gtoal＠an-teallach.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

That may not have been a legit post. That group is currently under attack by the alt.syntax.tactical morons. Ha ha big laugh :-( (They don't even have detweiler's intelligence as a redeeming grace) G

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(fwd) Re: BSD random() - any good (source included)
by sico＠hacktic.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Friday July 08 1994 13:33, Jim choate wrote: [stuff deleted] Jc> The forwards were crypto related and relevant to some of the members who Jc> don't have anything other than e-mail accounts. How do you propose these Jc> folks get this info? How about Stanford's Netnews Filtering Service? Admittedly, I read about that in alt.internet.services, but I'm sure there's a FAQ (like Scott Yanoff's) which mentions it and which can be retrieved via email through e.g. rtfm.mit.edu's mailserver or ftpmail(a)decwrl.dec.com. [rest also deleted] CU, Sico (sico(a)hacktic.nl)

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Jim Choate says we have nothing better to do!
by Jeff Gostin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim choate <ravage(a)bga.com> writes: > But, because you folks apparently have nothing better to do we have > managed to generate a set of list traffic that vastly exceeds the original > forwards. You claim to not be incidiary, but this is definately just that. I've pretty much stayed out of this, but once it becomes personal ("...you folks..."), I get involved. I _do_ have better things to do than listen to you insult people you don't even know. One of the better things I have to do is to listen to well-informed, INFORMATIONAL posts, not the rantings of someone who claims to know exactly what I do with my time. > Reminds me of the years I worked in a science museum and people were > always coming around with new projects for me to do. My general > responce became to point them to the shop and tell them to have at. I > have little respect for people who have nothing better to do than tell > others how to spend their time. If the suggestion is that great, carry > it out yourself. Your attitude stinks. Have you ever heard of a term called BRAINSTORMING? In case you haven't, or have forgotten the meaning, Webster's New World Dictionary cites the following: brain.storm.ing n. the unrestrained offering of ideas or suggestions by all members of a conference to seek solutions to problems. I don't know about you, but this sounds EXACTLY like what's going on here: The unrestrained offering of ideas or suggestions by all [READERS] of a [MAILING LIST] to seek SOLUTIONS to [SITUATIONS WARRANTING ATTENTION]. In reference to your job at the science museum, evidently, you were the person who was the "doer." The people who wanted something done went to the person who was responsible for doing -- you. I'm glad you no longer have to job. It seems that your disposition, and attitude, are wrong for the job. > I didn't condem the list or anyone else for that matter. You didn't? Hmmm.... who said "But, because you folks apparently have nothing better to do we have managed to generate a set of list traffic that vastly exceeds the original forwards" just a few paragraphs ago? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't me.... >> People who lash out at the list, calling the list a place for people >> who never do anything, are revealing their own failures of >> imagination. > I *NEVER* said that or anything like it. Geesh, speaking of imagination. True. You said it was a place for "[People who] apparently have nothing better to do..." Your words, not mine. --Jeff -- ====== ====== +----------------jgostin(a)eternal.pha.pa.us----------------+ == == | The new, improved, environmentally safe, bigger, better,| == == -= | faster, hypo-allergenic, AND politically correct .sig. | ==== ====== | Now with a new fresh lemon scent! | PGP Key Available +---------------------------------------------------------+

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Re:NII, NSA and Computer Security Act of 1987
by koontzd＠lrcs.loral.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Newsgroups: alt.poltics.org.nsa,alt.politics.datahighway,comp.org.eff.talk >Who the hell co-opted NII for National Security? Every discussion to date >(at least on the internet) has shown no link to National Security, which >should be the only way NSA is involved. For A contrast see the July/August issue of INFO SECURITY NEWS there are several articles on security of the NII. The only person appearing to be aware of any implied EES type protection is Rep. Edward Markey, (D-MA) who is quoted in Info Highway Security VIEWPOINTS: --- On securing NII: "We need to conduct a full debate on the Clipper chip and encryption issues so that people can protect their data and their privacy." --- [He is in favor of applying the Bill of Rights to cyberspace] No one else supports Clipper/Capstone as a serious contender, and a good number of interviewees see the role of government in the NII as limited. There are several applicable articles.

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National Highways to National Information Infrastructure
by Michael Wilson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cypherpunks: Mr. May brought up the interesting correlation between the two project; many of you may not be old enough to note that the first project mentioned, that of the national highway system in the United States, was sponsored by your current Vice President Gore's father, the OTHER Senator Gore. It was what is politely termed 'pork' then, just as NII is pork now. Just how much money do you think companies are making off the new export liberalization and stand to make from the NII? Who profits, or as came from the Watergate era, follow the money. No wonder the politically active players seem to be rolling over on some issues; they are being given an annuity for the next twenty years.

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Whew! The dangers of posting to Usenet
by anonymous＠extropia.wimsey.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

tcmay(a)netcom.com (Timothy C. May) wrote: > What's of ObList relevance is that many of them seem oblivous to the > fact that their posts are readable by the world....see the one below > and you'll see why I don't think Ms. Yamada knows her post to her > "sisters and brothers" is actually readable by us all. My hunch is > that a lot of newcomers have just gotten on the Net and are unclear on > the concepts. > I could be wrong. Maybe her account at Mindvox is a cut-out. Maybe she > knows but doesn't care. Judge for yourself: [most of quoted message edited out] > also, Jerry Wade has turned La Plaza into a cesspool and the > 11th street squat burned down completely and the flotsam are > now living in La Plaza. It is noisy, dirty, hard-drug ridden, > and Jerry is dealing dust outta there with abandon. Naive posting ... or .... maybe, just maybe, a clever use of steganography? BTW, what's a "cut-out"? I could probably guess at the meaning, but that's the first time I've heard that term used.

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Video cyphers and RNG's...
by Jim choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi all, Just a referal: Video Scrambling & Descrambling for Satellite & Cable TV Graf & Sheets ISBN 0-672-22499-2 Data sheet- AT&T T7000A Digital Encryption Processor AT&T T7001 Random Number Generator Patents- US # 4,336,553 4,405,942 4,479,142 Take care.

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