December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

META: gopher site
by Karl Lui Barrus 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here is what Chael sent me (I have a feeling he meant to copy the list as well): > The Cypherpunks gopher hierarchy that was under Karl's home > directory has been officially moved to ~ftp/cypherpunks. Gopher > should work as normal and all of the files should be FTPable as well! > Chael Hall, nowhere(a)chaos.bsu.edu -- Karl L. Barrus: klbarrus(a)owlnet.rice.edu 2.3: 5AD633; D1 59 9D 48 72 E9 19 D5 3D F3 93 7E 81 B5 CC 32 2.6: 088C8F21; 97 73 9E 8B 98 3E DD B5 E8 97 64 7E 20 95 60 D9 "One man's mnemonic is another man's cryptography" - K. Cooper

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RE: Chomsky Arguments / Redefinitions
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: James Donald But Chomsky defines peoples free choice to say one thing rather than another thing, to listen to one source rather than another source, to be "extreme coercion and control". With this definition, it obviously follows that exterminating those who engage in "extreme coercion and control" is an act of self defence. . . . . . . In the same way, when Chomsky argues that speech is coercion, and choice is submission, I know that he and his pals in the government are planning to enhance our civil liberties by protecting us from that speech, and to enhance our lives by rescuing us from that submission. ...................................................................... .......... I haven't read Chomsky and have limited acquaintance with the labor theory of value, but I can appreciate the games people can play with torturing definitions to mean other than what is usually understood, until it isn't possible to recognize them. I can't know if what you are saying about him is true, but I must say, you indicate well the things which it is important to pay attention to when someone prepares an intellectual pathway by means of the re-definition of the meanings of acts. If that is what he does, I would be suspicious, too. Blanc

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(FWD) New Remailer & "Bit Bucket"
by quill＠pwa.acusd.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I didn't see this on the list, so I'm forwarding for general interest: Quill I would like to announce a new remailer: nately <remailer(a)nately.ucsd.edu> Send mail to the remailer with the subject "remailer-help" for instructions. This is a Ghio type remailer with one change. Rather than processing incoming messages immediately, I hold them in a pool. Periodically (once per minute for now) the pool is checked. If it holds more than n messages (currently five) then random messages are selected and send to the remailer script until only n messages remain. An undocumented feature of this remailer is that it can act as a bit bucket. All messages requesting forwarding to "null" will be trashed. I am pleased to act as a bit bucket for the purposes of increasing traffic through the web of remailers. I am a graduate student in astrophysics, this is the computer on my desk, and I am root. I am the primary user of this computer. The other occasional users are five graduate students with better things to do than mess with your messages. It should be stable for 2 or 3 years (till I get the Ph.D.) baring any serious legal hassles. -- Lance Cottrell who does not speak for CASS/UCSD lcottrell(a)popmail.ucsd.edu PGP 2.6 key available by finger or server. -- _____________________ ____________________________________________________ \-=[ iumop ap!sdn ]=-\/If marriage is outlawed, all inlaws will be outlaws/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Finger me ... for my PGP 2.6.1 key ...

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Re: MAIL: crime and remailers
by blancw＠pylon.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Responding to msg by Jason Burrell: >Hey Blanc, can digital money be used for that? >Double-blind systems? Uh, wait, the NSA can. . . Hmm, >who are those guys running out of that van, dressed in >black, with big guns, coming toward my house? (Sound of >wood cracking and gunfire) Its the GESAP--. . . ............................................................. Sure, Jason - whatever gets you through the fight, it's allright, it's allright. . . . Wait - is that Fabio, with the G.E.S.T.A.-- H.E.A.T., dressed in a sleek black turtleneck & carrying a big gun? But why is he running toward Your house? :>) Blanc

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anonymous poster software
by khijol!erc＠apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I hacked this up in a little under an hour (with distractions), so it's not the absolute best software - it could stand some improvement - but it works. It could, with very minor hacking, do as an anonymous mailer. I wrote it in response to someone asking me if I could write such a thing for them in C. Yes, there are lots of itty-bitty remailers and posters out there, but this serves the bill for being totally anonymous and it's pretty quick, being written in C. Besides, I didn't want to learn perl or any of that grotesque stuff - I'm a purist at heart ;) - ---------------------------------- cut here -------------------------------- /* * anonpost - strip headers from incoming message, preserving Subject:, then * pass the rest of stdin to inews argv[]. * * Copyright 1994 by Ed Carp (ecarp(a)netcom.com) All rights reserved. */ /* * How to set this up: * * 0. Change "#define INEWS" and "#define SIG" * * 1. cc -s -o anonpost anonpost.c -O * * 2. mv anonpost /usr/local/bin # or wherever * * 3. echo "* * * * * su <whoever> -c '/usr/local/bin/anonpost -n alt.sexual.abuse.recovery -f anonasar(a)khijol.UUCP -r anonasar(a)khijol.UUCP < /usr/spool/mail/anonasar;rm /usr/spool/mail/anonasar'" >> /usr/lib/crontab * */ #define INEWS "/usr/lib/news/inews " #define SIG "/home/anon-asar/.signature" #include <stdio.h> #undef NULL #define NULL (0) main (argc, argv) int argc; char **argv; { char inews[1024]; char subject[128]; char line[1024]; FILE *in, *p; int i; *subject = NULL; while (1) { /* * read header */ while (fgets (line, 1022, stdin) != (char *) NULL) { line[strlen (line) - 1] = NULL; if (strlen (line) < 2) break; if (strncmp (line, "Subject: ", 9) == 0) strcpy (subject, line + 9); } if (*subject == NULL) strcpy (subject, "<no subject>"); strcpy (inews, INEWS); for (i = 1; i < argc; i++) { strcat (inews, argv[i]); strcat (inews, " "); } strcat (inews, "-t '"); strcat (inews, subject); strcat (inews, "'"); if ((p = popen (inews, "w")) == (FILE *) NULL) { perror (INEWS); exit (1); } /* * read the rest of the article, passing it to inews */ while (fgets (line, 1022, stdin) != (char *) NULL) { line[strlen (line) - 1] = NULL; if ((strcmp (line, "--") == 0) || (strcmp (line, "-- ") == 0)) { while (fgets (line, 1022, stdin) != (char *) NULL) if (strncmp (line, "From", 4) == 0) { *subject = NULL; break; } } if (strncmp (line, "From", 4) == 0) { *subject = NULL; break; } fprintf (p, "%s\n", line); } /* * append the .signature file in the current directory */ if ((in = fopen (SIG, "r")) != (FILE *) NULL) { fprintf (p, "--\n"); while (fgets (line, 1022, in) != (char *) NULL) fprintf (p, "%s", line); fclose (in); } /* * post */ pclose (p); /* * make sure we didn't get an EOF */ if (*subject != NULL) break; } } - -- Ed Carp, N7EKG Ed.Carp(a)linux.org, ecarp(a)netcom.com Finger ecarp(a)netcom.com for PGP 2.5 public key an88744(a)anon.penet.fi ** PGP encrypted email preferred! ** "What's the use of distant travel if only to discover - you're homeless in your heart." --Basia, "Yearning" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAwUBLoEldCS9AwzY9LDxAQFEDgP/a0OeUQ//m7KO1dUZhLb3wlI4IzYl70JR PcYL/x2nf+XaskdrWN0YqXqeeV6jaPk7e1xOT/bvKgYs1MADuaUgEgcd0XynYvOl wOFYAxYN+qWi8+rC0DTxUSysOYGUH3hgMyaN5/dqCINC8pOYIz5iO+BEQC8yN9U3 H1GMiexO04w= =371T -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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pgp 2.6.1 available on ftp.csua.berkeley.edu
by sameer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

available in /pub/cypherpunks/pgp/pgp261 -- sameer Voice: 510-841-2014 Network Administrator Pager: 510-321-1014 Community ConneXion: The NEXUS-Berkeley Dialin: 510-549-1383 http://www.c2.org (or login as "guest") sameer(a)c2.org

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HIT MEN
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, I'm stymied. I keep arguing the real world, and everyone responds as though this were a MUD game. David Merriman wrote: If the escrow agent has a reputation for reliability, honesty, integrity, etc, then the nature of the transaction is irrelevant.... I'm sorry, but this is patently ludicrous. This is not a MUD or MOO. We're not talking about game theory and the "iterated prisoner's dilemma." This is about the real world. I could cite hundreds of examples where folks don't think "the nature of the transaction is irrelevant." Tree huggers won't buy from McDonalds, irrespective of quality, because Mickey D's "encourage the destruction of the rain forests." Gun nuts won't do business with Taco Bell because it's owned by Pepsico, and they've supported gun control. There are "green" shoppers and "investors of conscience." Hell, Duncan won't even buy the fine chickens produced by Foster farms because Foster is in bed with the Klintones (well not literally... well maybe). The burden of proof is on those who would tell us that human nature will change over-night when crypto-anarchy comes on line. People *do* care about the morality of those with whom they do business. I see no reason to believe that will change. Anonymous murder for hire, is not easy. It isn't going to be any more a threat under crypto-anarchy than it is now. Please, let's get out of this Tabloid, the-sky-will-fall mind set. It's going to be okay. S a n d y Who is signing off this thread. What's coming is coming, no matter what we do or say. History will have the last word. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: Cyphernomicon FAQ -- Review in "Wired"
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

tcmay(a)netcom.com (Timothy C. May): > 1. Rishab Aiyer Ghosh tells me he has committed to write a review of the > Cyphernomicon FAQ for "Wired," for either December or January publication. > I had nothing to do with this, and it surprised me when he contacted me to > notify me. (I reminded him of the "pre-release" status, the It surprised _me_ that you put this on the list - magazines usually don't care to announce their future stories so much in advance, but this is a little review and cypherpunks are noted for their discretion ;-) so I guess it's ok. As far as the "usefulness" of info on "advanced stuff", and the "questions it will generate" - awareness is all about arousing curiousity. It will be a Good Thing if people who keep reading about the nuclear terrorists and pedophiles can come and see for themselves what _really_ goes on on the list. Of course the membership may soar for a while before declining again, but _some_ new useful people are bound to join. > 3. Hal Abelson, Professor of Computer Science at MIT, has asked me if he > could convert the FAQ into a Web document for his class on "ETHICS AND LAW If he does a good job, then it would be nice. A web is really the best way to browse through so much inter-related info. > 4. Yes, I still have concerns about multiple, out-dated copies floating > around. I worry about people going to great lengths to "Webify" the version Come on. Responsible sysadmins regularly mirror updates - from the thousands of PGP sites to the dozens who download 6 mb of movie databases each week. Every one does not get in sync as soon as the new release is out, but these things usually don't take more than a week. > 5. Rishab is especially anxious to get CompuServe, AOL, etc., versions > available, or referenced in his review in "Wired." Thus, if any of you want Scott Loftesness (76703.407(a)compuserve.com) the primary SysOp of CompuServe's Telecom and Internet Forums says he'll have the Cyphernomicon in both forums: TELECOM FORUM (GO TELECOM) LIBRARY: NETWORK SECURITY (LIB 6) FILENAME: CYPFAQ.ZIP INTERNET FORUM (GO INETFORUM) LIBRARY: RESOURCES-TECHNICAL (LIB 15) FILENAME: CYPFAQ.ZIP Worst comes to worst, WIRED can put it up in their forums at AOL etc. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "Clean the air! clean the sky! wash the wind! rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in take stone from stone and wash them..." Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 Voicemail +91 11 3760335 H 34C Saket, New Delhi 110017, INDIA

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RE: THE LAST WORD... (maybe)
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Sandy Sandfort Now everybody can either waste their time thinking up really neat-o keen-o ways to whack innocent spouses, business enemies and rich uncles, or you can support strong crypto and privacy by thinking up ways to mitigate the potentially negative side-effects of crypto-anarchy. ................................................................ Isn't it just another means to an end, like all others. Should only a few be allowed to use a system, method, or invention; should there be barriers against tools because someone might misuse them or misapply them, etc. (same arguments) My question, in noting the possibilities discussed, was to consider what the means of defense would be against such an event transpiring. Not a responsibility for some law-enforcement agency to take up, but for potential victims. Not that there is anything specific which cypherpunks should think up to counter the possibility that crypto will be used for murder-for-hire, but just that it is always necessary for independent anarchist types to arrange for their own solutions to the problems of technological advancement (or any other kind). "Technology" (actually, technologists) make new things possible or easier, and those who exist in the milieu within that culture must find a way to deal with the consequences of the new introduction into their midst. That is the ideal, right - you ascend to new heights of knowledge, ability, and efficacy, rather than keeping everyone on a lower level of functioning because someone might get out of hand and create a problem for others. I wouldn't think, "oh, it can't be done", simply because I myself can't imagine it. I would think, "so - what could I do about that", seeing as how it could be possible to someone and as how it isn't realistic to expect to be able to stop *every* one from reasoning along those lines. And I can think of things which an individual could do to deal with such contingencies, but could there be a crypto solution? Blanc

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Re: Laws Outside the U.S.
by danisch＠ira.uka.de 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Isn't it inevitable that this will -- for the same reasons of equity > among the member countries -- evolve into a single set of laws governing > the *use* of crypto throughout the EC? Probably. But perhaps not for private citizens, but for police, bank, government interaction. Since they opened the borders between the countries they really have a problem. In some towns near to France they have robberies, where the robbers just walk 300 meters to France and can't be caught neither by german nor by french police. At the moment we have a some criminal nazis. (we already had the discussion). They use BBS, Fax and cryptosoftware for their national and international communication. In Italy they have islands with more fax-machines than humans. Could be reason enough for prohibition. > Can you provide any predictions as to its content? No. > It seems to me > that the EC may be a *huge* force -- for good or ill -- with respect to > crypto, depending on which way the rules fall out. It _is_ a huge force. But often more ill than good. :-( They have taken the germans their pretty large, well-tasting and cheap bananas and given them ugly, dark-brown, tiny, expensive ones. Perhaps they will do the same with cryptography. :-{ > In the first place, > because of the sheer size of the EC and the combined power and populace > of its member countries, but also because any internal crypto advantage > the EC is perceived to hold might be an additional spur to liberalization > of US crypto export policy. Smile. As long as the US keep their policy, we have a better market. I like the US policy. :-D Hadmut

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