December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

MacPGP 2.5?
by fhalper＠pilot.njin.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyone have any info on when I mac version of PGP 2.5 will be released? Thanks, Reuben Halper Montclair High

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Re: Why Digital Cash is Not Being Used
by pcw＠access.digex.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 11:48:18 -0800 > From: tcmay(a)netcom.com (Timothy C. May) > > - Digital Postage. This remains my favorite. There's a _need_ for > untraceable payments (else why use a remailer?). I've written about this > extensively, as have others. > I should point out that Pitney Bowes has a patent on using digital signatures and RSA to "sign" a postal meter application. The patent begins by noting that postal meters are literally machines that print money. It goes on to show how to control this with digital signatures. There is some kind of bar code applied to the stamp. My impression is that getting the info density on the envelope is a bit of a problem with the invention. But I'm not sure.

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remailer list wanted
by nate＠VIS.ColoState.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I need the latest and greatest remailer listing. thanks, -nate -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Nate Sammons <nate(a)VIS.ColoState.Edu> <nate(a)yuma.ANCS.ColoState.Edu> | | Colorado State University Computer Visualization Laboratory | | Data Visualization/Interrogation, Modeling, Animation, Rendering | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: NYT op-ed May 8
by peb＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm writing up a response to the Gelernter e[Ad[Bitorial and have the following notes...if you have any comments, please send me mail so I can revise and add to the argument. Also, I recall an NSA spokesperson said something that amounted to an admission that Clipper would not stop the smart terrorist or somesuch in response to a question at a press conference. Does anyone know what snippet that is (unfortunately, my archive tapes are inaccessible right now). This would be a nice quote to include. Paul E. Baclace peb(a)netcom.com -------------------------------------------- What Gelernter does not mention: We have wiretaps today and he still got bombed. (I deplore the Ludite terrorist who allegedly did the bombing and I am not unaffected by this in circuitous ways...) Some crimes are always hard to stop, regardless of technology. Note that arson and serial murders still happen and we have a free society. Only a police state would mitigate such crimes, but who would guard the guards? The real decision that people need to make about privacy regards balance of power. Privacy is power. Setting up laws that require privacy to be violable for all time to come is giving up the most important non-enumerated right. People who live under oppressive governments need privacy. There is no guarantee that the U.S. government will never abuse its power. The digital telephony bill and Clipper initiative, if both are passed, will pave the way for desktop wiretaps. A warrant could be requested and granted by a judge by electronic mail and then the wiretap itself could be turned on remotely. It could be accomplished in minutes after the required forms are filled out. Wiretaps will become cheaper and faster. This will be very tempting to abuse. Remember that Nixon kept a list of enemies and had them wiretapped. This brings into question the whole warrant issuing process and has nothing to do with technology. Prediction: If Clipper is used widely one day, the first time a terrorist blows up a building and uses unbreakable encryption in order to pull it off, the government will not be able to resist a new effort to ban cryptography. Since neither the Digital Telephony bill or Clipper will stop the smart terrorist, it is only a matter of time. Cryptography amounts to inventing a private language. A ban on cryptography would thus violate the First Amendment. As people conduct more of their life on the information superhighway, privacy will become more important over time. The passing of the digital telephony bill put in place cheap mechanisms for spying on citizens that a corrupt government could use.

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Re: KQED Clipper discussion....
by dwitkow＠eis.calstate.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:38 PM 5/10/94 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >Lile Elam says: >> Is anyone up for discussing the Clipper and why it's bad for us >> on KQED this thursday night? > >I would suggest contacting EFF and seeing if they have a spokesperson >handy. In general they are likely good people to contact for this sort >of thing. > >Perry I concur. The following is a listing of KQED-local EFF members. CALIFORNIA San Francisco Bay Area: This!Group Mitch Ratcliffe coyote(a)well.sf.ca.us or Mitch_Ratcliffe(a)macweek.ziff.com Glenn Tenney tenney(a)netcom.com Judi Clark judic(a)netcom.com ...dtw ---------------------------------------------------------------- Notice of address change: Please send mail to the following: dwitkow(a)eis.calstate.edu (Mail sent to dwitkows(a)nermal.santarosa.edu will be forwarded) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Transmitted via modified Eudora 1.4.2 over LINUX host dialup! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Finger dwitkows(a)nermal.santarosa.edu for PGP key ----------------------------------------------------------------

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Where is PGP2.5?
by geoffw＠nexsys.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It seems like the directory at MIT is write locked. Anybody have the key?

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EFF's Kapor announces new cyberspace tv show
by Stanton McCandlish 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 09:13:23 -0400 From: mkapor(a)kei.com (Mitchell Kapor) Subject: My tv show (I thought you might be interested in this.) New Cyberspace TV Program I am developing a new program on cyberspace in conjunction with WGBH-TV, PBS' Boston affiliate. The show is intended to be a window onto the world of computer networks for the television viewer, whose point of view is that the world of on-line communications is interesting because of what people do there, not because of the digital plumbing which enables it. We will be focusing on the human aspects of networking and the individual and social aspects of being on-line. Cyberspace will be portrayed as a not-so-really strange territory after all, where all of us will increasingly come to live and work. My role is to guide people through this new territory, introducing the audience to its native culture, its scenic attraction, and its sights and sounds. We assume our audience is motivated by curiosity to learn more about what goes on in cyberspace, but we do not assume they are knowledgeable or, in general experienced with it. On the other hand, we will not trivialize the subject matter by reducing it to a least common denominator. We will give the show a look and feel which is approachable and down-to-earth. Interview guests and roundtable participants will be drawn from the net community itself. There will be plenty of demos of cool net stuff from Mosaic, CU See Me, and other cutting-edge applications and services. We are taping two test shows in mid-June which will be shown in Boston and other cities and hope to have some sort of national distribution (to be determined) in the fall for a regularly scheduled program. We are also going to create a WWW server for the show, the segments of which will be downloadable. The server will be have on it additional material which won't fit into the show format. An Invitation: We would like to include some video clips of net citizens expressing their greatest hope and worst fear about the future of the net which we will edit into an on-air piece for our regular feedback session. It's important to me to have the voices heard (and faces seen) of people already on the net. This is an opportunity for those of us who enjoy appreciate the decentralized and democratic character to express that sentiment to a mass audience. I hope you'll take advantage of the opportunity. Guidelines: Since an individual on-air clip will run at most 20-30 seconds, please keep your statement succinct. In shooting the clip, please feel free to pick a location which says something about yourself, whether it's your computer, your pet, or the great outdoors. We can accept Quicktime movies, VHS cassettes, or 8mm tapes. If you enclose a mailer, we will return your tape. We can also pick up digital submissions from any FTP site, etc. Contact Information: email: cybertv(a)kei.com Postal: Cybertv c/o Kapor Enterprises, Inc. 238 Main St., Suite 400 Cambridge MA 02142 -- Stanton McCandlish * mech(a)eff.org * Electronic Frontier Found. OnlineActivist "In a Time/CNN poll of 1,000 Americans conducted last week by Yankelovich Partners, two-thirds said it was more important to protect the privacy of phone calls than to preserve the ability of police to conduct wiretaps. When informed about the Clipper Chip, 80% said they opposed it." - Philip Elmer-Dewitt, "Who Should Keep the Keys", TIME, Mar. 14 1994

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Re: Why Digital Cash...
by nobody＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Well I'm bummed, my earlier post on this seems to have been totally ignored. I will shorten it. Tim May asks some interesting questions about the pace of crypto deployment, and asks about "compensating" people for their work. OBSTACLES I think there are two main reasons for slow deployment: 1. Lack of resources To really do it right, you must own a net connected machine. - digital bank: speed, convenience - data havens: speed, convenience, access to huge storage - anonymous remailers: need to be able to control sendmail logging, need to be able to hack config files for best results, etc. Owning the machine this stuff runs on (no other users) is necessary for key security. For guarding against what Tim calls "Mom and Pop" type remailers (ones that may vanish at anytime when a student graduates, moves, etc.) 2. Legal issues In my mind, the biggest hurdle. - patents: these may really suck but the fact is they are legal until a court overturns them, or they expire ;) - exposure: the operator assumes a certain (almost unpredictable) risk. For example: * suppose I run a data haven and people use it for moving pirated software. * suppose somebody uses an anonymous remailer to threaten another Call me nuts, but the fact that many remailers run on systems that do log mail is "protection" for the remailer operator. A balance needs to be struck between offering anonymous mail and logging; unfortunately I think in the current climate the balance lies closer to logging to avoid problems. Don't get me wrong, I'm in favor of this technology (I've run remailers, etc.). But the "infrastructure" to deal with some events isn't here. (Say somebody gets threatening anonymous mail. In a world rich with crypto tools, this person would be using positive reputation filters, ignoring mail not digitally signed, maybe even be posting to usenet or participating in an email list "anonymously" themselves with return address blocks, etc. In this case, their identity could be kept completely private.) INCENTIVES What are the incentives for running these services? None as far as I can tell, other than the satisfaction of doing it. I'm not sure the market is ready for anonymous mail, data havens, etc. So it falls to interested hobbyists to experiment with. Johan Helsingus (Julf of anon.penet.fi) spends hours a day maintaining his site, responding to complaints, etc. He provides a valuable service, which obviously is very popular... all the same, I'll bet when he asked for a donation of $5 per account to help defray costs, he got almost no response. > Later protocols have not fared as well. Why this is so is of great > importance. I'm very interested in hearing your theories about this, Tim. Post! I too wish things were different. We are in a "ease of use" phase. Most people on this list don't even pgp sign their messages, largely because it isn't convenient. It isn't surprising later protocols aren't faring well. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLdAqdIOA7OpLWtYzAQFrzgP+Mtrvyq+aG0pIX57t/bJ+L1dsbO+tnf3O orcr8ZytlNWFfaoxDVf33780FCRFHsP06xOmXRiGM14bWrIVKbq+D9y4pvx8Qh/6 4YEND80DWooALAK8Meo4gKJgc5EPXcsGgW9/JvfjP46VG2kq7vcAQoKGH9HZe4c7 W+0I3cpteQg= =sLe4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Forwarded mail....
by Dan Harmon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 17:00:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Dan Harmon <harmon(a)tenet.edu> To: cypherpunk(a)toad.com Subject: Is there a problem? I have not received any mail for the last three days. Dan Harmon

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List Down?
by VACCINIA＠UNCVX1.OIT.UNC.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Could someone tell me if the list is down? I have'nt gotten any mail for the past two days. Perhaps, a router into our site is down? Anyway, if it is the list and not my node, I would at least have a better fix on what is happening. Thanks. Scott G. Morham !The First, Vaccinia(a)uncvx1.oit.unc.edu ! Second PGP Public Keys by Request ! and Third Levels ! of Information Storage and Retrieval !DNA, ! Biological Neural Nets, ! Cyberspace -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLc74eT2paOMjHHAhAQGhDgQA076HZTxTUlY1/48AmEzpWuT/aUzkzFYT +l9JgSuBqzukF9FkDrGCEwPm0q5NMvU9bcQOmDskxtByotpj0XGetnqAskLH3qm8 4MJ2tnxS68VQkUszYYRxFgM/6SGf3KfdnFikjUY77iQdXnyC+jApMzMnbMeqim0V 9Oe/7MWTJMk= =ReD/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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